Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 12:52:34 AM)
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Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 12:52:49 AM)
Just hiding in here to avoid the scroll, let me know if you need me to leave for whatever reason. ^_^
Basil Vicious (Jul 1, 2011 1:21:19 AM)
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Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 1:21:22 AM)
erm, uh oh....
Nathaniel Steele (Jul 1, 2011 1:21:24 AM)
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Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 1:21:24 AM)
whats up?
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:21:24 AM)
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Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:21:31 AM)
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Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:21:49 AM)
Alright, Is that Everyone one?
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:22:06 AM)
think so\
Saffron Dorsey (Jul 1, 2011 1:22:20 AM)
Is Shelly supposed to be part of the venue?
Aislinn Connelly (Jul 1, 2011 1:22:39 AM)
Shelly just said in OOC she's deleting Shelly... so I dunno.
Shelly Huan (Jul 1, 2011 1:22:44 AM)
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Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:23:01 AM)
First off, I'm going to say this. Please to no post questions or comments or such until I am done.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:23:10 AM)
I will let you know when that is.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:23:44 AM)
Now, I would like to say that I have done a lot to try and get the mage venue going again but I'm only part of it. The players returning is another part. What I am going to say next will probably make some mad and others wonder wahts going on.
IanW OOC (Jul 1, 2011 1:24:40 AM)
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Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:25:56 AM)
IC wise if your PC makes a little group of things IC wise and they play around and all that such and the group does what it does and such, Thats fine. What I would like not to hear is when suddenly I am given the, "they ooc don't wanna play with us, and they flipped out on us ooc, and they are cutting us off. Even though our PCs can be at odds. but we don't wanna split the venue". Frankly, I made a promise when I took up this spot that I was NOT going to have high ranking Tradition mages come in and set up shop to get structure involved. If a skism happens Icly cause of IC actions then its up to the players to repair it.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:26:32 AM)
ICA = ICC. In character actions equal In character Consequences.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:26:43 AM)
Next. I AM NOT TRYING TO SCREW ANYONE OVER! PERIOD!
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:28:24 AM)
I am sick and tired of hearing this at least hearing this once every other week and at most, 3 times in a week. Everyone is held to rules. My NPCs I am working on and everything else. If your PC messes up and calls down a 500ft godzilla with magic, YES, Paradox may make you it's pretty little school girl for a while or such. I am not slapping anyone impaticular. I am not Targeting any one. Frankly, I am getting really TIRED of hearing it so.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:29:22 AM)
I am telling EVERYONE now, so it can get passed on. I have let a LOT of stuff slide off my back. I have taken points and minor insults and smiled and done what I can to play nice. I will continue to do this, but make no heed about it, that YES, I will enforce rules and IF someone steps out of line I will come back on them.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:29:34 AM)
EVEN if this means I'm taking XP off your sheet as a warning before I pull your icon.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:30:24 AM)
Lastly, I do NOT like having someone come asking for help on something and when I tell them, "If your worried IC about it, deal with it IC" and when asked ooc, and I give my advice to be told "Fuck it" and then pop out.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:30:35 AM)
Now, Is there any questions about what I've just talked about or comments?
Basil Vicious (Jul 1, 2011 1:30:53 AM)
Nopers
Friday Lovelace (Jul 1, 2011 1:31:01 AM)
Noop
Saffron Dorsey (Jul 1, 2011 1:31:03 AM)
No, other than to ask if there's any way we can help?
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:31:07 AM)
yeah why the yelling and caps?
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:31:40 AM)
Jordan: cause if I type normal, the blunt points get over looked. Its not yelling, I'm just accenting the words.
Marcus Anderson (Jul 1, 2011 1:31:50 AM)
i have no problem with what you said. If i do stupid things i get the consequence of it, crystal clear
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:32:20 AM)
not to be an ass but you sound really frustrated, have you thought about taking a gew days off? Because honestly dealing with things like you are describing is about 80% what STing is...
IanW OOC (Jul 1, 2011 1:32:37 AM)
I just want to say that a lot of these complaints sound like the same ones I had to deal with 11 years ago.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:32:39 AM)
Because I really feel like we are being talked down to atm
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:33:45 AM)
Jordan if that is how you feel, then I am sorry. I am not, I am a bit drawn out that things not in my control are brought to me and asked to fix them or that I am accused of having it out for "someone's PC" because of things.
Saffron Dorsey (Jul 1, 2011 1:34:10 AM)
The only character Saffron doesn't get along with in the venue is Jareth and that's largely because last time they talked he gave her a hard time hung up on her. I try to play with everyone.
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:34:31 AM)
even crzy old me ::hugs saffron::
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:34:53 AM)
and I know my PC is a psychocoatic bitch and I realize bad shit will probably rain down on her.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:34:53 AM)
Then you should just deal with it and not announce it to all the players that arent doing that... it's a bit insulting to be told you're a problem when you havent done anything wrong... now granted i haven't done anything.... cus I'm lazy... but still.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:34:59 AM)
Also guys, I will say this, Shelly Huan has been waiting to get into the mage game with rp with mages. She wants to be a consor into the VA area but she is having trouble as no one is willing to help.
Saffron Dorsey (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:03 AM)
*baps Samantha, (yes I said samantha. sue me)*
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:05 AM)
umm
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:06 AM)
Mingus
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:09 AM)
That is not true.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:16 AM)
Samantha, I know you have
Marcus Anderson (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:20 AM)
i dont know her yet
Marcus Anderson (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:25 AM)
as she may not be on when i can be
Marcus Anderson (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:35 AM)
and us vas have been rare for the past year
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:39 AM)
Shes on now, PM and talk with her if it helps.
Basil Vicious (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:43 AM)
II would love to help...just make me a VA then I will be all on it. :P
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:48 AM)
thank you. I already d did and was told no so ::shrugs::
Saffron Dorsey (Jul 1, 2011 1:35:56 AM)
Can Shelly get a purple mortal icon? Because I was only barely aware she wanted to be in the mage venue. Some kind of scene to help us get introduced would help too. You know we're not supposed to talk about Fight Club :)
Aislinn Connelly (Jul 1, 2011 1:36:44 AM)
guys... she's in the room.
Saffron Dorsey (Jul 1, 2011 1:36:56 AM)
Well yeah, but this is OOC
Aislinn Connelly (Jul 1, 2011 1:37:16 AM)
I understand, but you can direct questions to her, since she's here? :o)
Marcus Anderson (Jul 1, 2011 1:37:23 AM)
i am trying to
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:37:44 AM)
If you have those questions for her, direct them to her in pm if prefered or such.
Marcus Anderson (Jul 1, 2011 1:37:46 AM)
she may be buried in yellow
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:38:02 AM)
shelly... ill talk to someone for you... ive just had health issues
Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 1:38:34 AM)
Marcus is VA, I'm sure he can handle initiating a new consor. -snickers-
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:38:56 AM)
hmm
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:38:59 AM)
and I will say this Jordan, I could of said a lot more and brought out names and a lot mroe then that to make it much worse. I haven't and that is how I'm trying ot keep this tame.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:39:35 AM)
Really... youre the ST you're not supposed to bring out names... or even make this public...
Marcus Anderson (Jul 1, 2011 1:39:46 AM)
(and marcus is well connected people on the net know him)
Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:08 AM)
I didn't mention Sam cuz she's new, btw.
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:14 AM)
Kori
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:14 AM)
people are being ncie about it cus they are desperate for an St and RP in mage...
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:15 AM)
I already tried
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:17 AM)
She said no
Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:21 AM)
>.>
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:27 AM)
I tried when he first threatned to delete his pic
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:29 AM)
pc*
Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:39 AM)
Well...you are some strange sexual deviant.....
Basil Vicious (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:41 AM)
Gotta be the desperation, couldn't be anything else...
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:40:50 AM)
who is completely devoted to her singifcant otehr
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:41:09 AM)
Basil, if it is desperation, you don't reject any help offered
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:41:12 AM)
you agree with how this is being handled basil?
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:41:19 AM)
oh you mean mingus
Basil Vicious (Jul 1, 2011 1:41:42 AM)
I do. Only way to learn is to teach. Keep it in and then nothing gets fixed.
Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 1:42:16 AM)
-takes a hit off his bong- word...
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:42:39 AM)
but she said SOCIAL and sexual... again quoting the first part of the OED.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:42:51 AM)
ok.... anyway mingus... this is very unprofessional...
Kori 'Koi' Hitomi (Jul 1, 2011 1:42:59 AM)
My bad...sexual deviant sociopath.....I forgot..
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:00 AM)
even if i am the only one who thinks so
Friday Lovelace (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:05 AM)
Well.. that's your opinion Jordan.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:16 AM)
and could you guys please take that to pms... the secual deviant talk
Samantha Richardson (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:18 AM)
sociopathy is defined as a lack of empathy not a lack of conforming to social norms
Friday Lovelace (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:20 AM)
I'd rather be aware of it so I can do my best to not add to it
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:20 AM)
Everyone, would please leave except for Jordan
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:20 AM)
sexual
Friday Lovelace (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:25 AM)
Yes'um
Basil Vicious (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:26 AM)
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
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Marcus Anderson (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:43 AM)
Jordan he could have posted a long statement in the forums that could be taken out of context and become one big flame war or decide to talk to everyone at once and stress a few points
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:46 AM)
Jordan, will you stay a moment.
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Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:43:51 AM)
i will
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Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:44:12 AM)
hey...
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:44:22 AM)
Jordan Malave, your forum name is Steev, you have a list of complaints on you about 5 pages long. with screen shot evidence and such
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:44:30 AM)
ok really?
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:44:34 AM)
you are noted in almost every venue as a problem player
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:44:36 AM)
thats how you want to start this?
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:44:53 AM)
I am putting out the first front as you want me to be professional, so I am trying to be.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:45:06 AM)
thats really unprofessional as well
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:45:16 AM)
to bring up issues... that are unrelated to this
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:45:39 AM)
I did not name names at all. And as it is, you have a way of challenging authority of STs, and citing "OOC BS" as reasons and statements of things.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:45:49 AM)
this is not ooc at all
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:46:10 AM)
i am stating my opinion that is was not cool to be berated in a room full of mages.. because you are having issues with some players
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:46:39 AM)
If you would like, please state to me, in your terms what you consider "professional" when I am trying to tell the entire venue, that I am getting tired of these points.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:46:47 AM)
if you want to bring up my issues with other venues and sts... well you can but this isn;t really the forum for it is it?
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Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:47:58 AM)
the caps... the yelling at us... the trheatening to name specific player names who are causing problems... these are things it is your job as St to deal with.... that's why you exist... unfortunately its not all fun... and to yell at an entire venue for it is unprofessional... if you have issues with players talk to them and deal with them, not the rest of us
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:48:55 AM)
I would point out that I didn't name names and that the moment when I said, "I could have done this," It was not a threat but a showing of restraint in the matter.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:49:08 AM)
Now, I am talking with you. And dealing with you.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:49:09 AM)
and really if you want to bring up my ooc bs... aspect of things... can you mention how you thought an entire months worth of scenes should be negated because someone had ooc motivation to direct my cabal against me...
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:49:33 AM)
restraint is implied... so mentioning it is a threat
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:49:45 AM)
its the same as if a cop says I could have shot you in the face just now...
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:50:28 AM)
Steev, intresting that you bring a point up. You are refering to a comment I made under my PC skin while under the thoughts of being a Player of as an ST. and at which point, I did not state to remove an entire month of scenes.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:51:21 AM)
I would like to point when you went on a tirade about how "a PC you were connected to Lost the child and there for was to close to home for you" that you wished the PC delteted and the came back around. That in some cases you sited the PC that "turned the cabal against you" as an ooc driven issue in another venue as a reason to null a scene
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:52:05 AM)
And if you wanna bring in modern law, A cop can say that. As long as they do not draw the gun or fire, then they have broken no law under the MPC.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:52:24 AM)
its still a threat...
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:52:42 AM)
and regardless whatever i said about deleting my character hads nothing to do with the issue here...
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:53:07 AM)
i was just bringing up that you knew about the problems and now are trying to ignore it and bend it to prove your point
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:53:26 AM)
oh? you'll have to elaborate?
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:53:38 AM)
And if you would, I'd love to see the evidence.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:54:08 AM)
you have no idea about how tpo lyric was badmouthing me to people ooc as well as my char ic to cause me trouble? and how that was used as an ic motivation tpo kick meout of the cabal?
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:54:24 AM)
you know i dont... but you also know the truth... so if you deny it i will let it rest
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:54:38 AM)
buut that doesnt change the fact that this whole meeting was unproffesional
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:54:52 AM)
i like you ooc... and i like your char ic... but this was all uncalled for
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:54:54 AM)
No and No. As I've stated I, My PC, was never informed, or question about the removal of your PC from the group.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:55:11 AM)
ok fine... matter dropped...
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:55:34 AM)
but regardles.. .today... like ten minutes ago... not cool
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:55:46 AM)
I would also consider it unprofessional as that is a m ater of my PC and not to be used or brought up against me again while I am in the way acting as an ST.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:55:47 AM)
completely seperate from anything else
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:56:04 AM)
nod agreed... anyway...
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:56:05 AM)
today
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:56:28 AM)
if you can explain to me how that was in any way justified or cool i will appologize
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:57:33 AM)
When I am told at least once every other week, or three times in a week that I am "out to get my PC" by players, I take it so much of giving the answer I have always given. Now I have talked with players. Some of them have stated alright. IF I have been wrong, I apologize and take it on further.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:58:02 AM)
You continued to push on points and statements and drive it out. So I am at the point of stating this Steev.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:58:11 AM)
ok every st has to deal with that sir... but degrading every player on because of it is not acceptable
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:58:25 AM)
IF I am that unprofessional, and unbareable, why are you still playing in the mage venue?
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:58:35 AM)
same reason i was playing when we had no st?
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:58:46 AM)
Please call me Sir, I am not appart of the armed forced, or my father.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:58:50 AM)
don't call me.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:58:55 AM)
i have not thought up until this point that you were unprofessional
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:59:14 AM)
i am simply remarking that today... this.... was not ok
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:59:20 AM)
Just when it suited you to try and tell me and put me in my place?
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 1:59:33 AM)
no one was trying to put you in your place...
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 1:59:58 AM)
To show among the others to make me less and yourself higher and when no one agreed with you, you out right state that "Naming names and such isn't what I should do" when in no point did I name names.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:00:26 AM)
corection, the only name I named was Shelly, and that was because I wanted to point her out and she was there as my last attemp to help her into the venue.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 2:00:42 AM)
ok i am done with this conversation as it serves no point... but i feel i should let you know that I will be sending a complaint to the admins for you bringing up my rap sheet...
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 2:00:54 AM)
you have a good one.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:00:58 AM)
Fair enough, and jordan
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 2:01:01 AM)
yes?
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:02:08 AM)
I brought that up, in private. With you. No one else. I have not brought it up even outside o f this conversation. As
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:02:28 AM)
damn enter key..
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 2:02:41 AM)
nod nod... its fine... really but i just feel you shouldnt bring that up with me when you have a problem with something i said
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 2:02:52 AM)
i thought i was being pretty honest and not out of line
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:03:38 AM)
Then let me be honest in my last point here.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:08:05 AM)
In some way, I brought everyone together to try and disucss the issue and so it was in real time so there would be no mis understandings and such. I am sorry, if you think that a way to try and bring the venue together and such in that was was unprofessional. I am sorry if you believe I am being unfair or out to get you or anything like that. I am sorry if you really don't like me. Cause frankly Steev, I think the way you posted your comments were unprofessional in the meaning. And from the messages i've gotten from people, I'm not the only one who thinks it. Now, you can leave. If you want, you can log off and request that your PC go into hod until such time as a new ST comes through. You can screen shot anything and everything and give it to the admins. I will go before them myself and answer if my actions have been wrong. I will even give up my blues and the chat if I have screwed up. But I would kindly ask in the last part, you not call everyone "Desperate for an ST" as to why they are making the comm
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:08:15 AM)
comments.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:08:47 AM)
Now, you can leave my office, please.
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 2:08:56 AM)
why do you need to be so defensive? and why do you have to mention other players not liking me?
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 2:09:05 AM)
thats once again... not very professional
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:09:14 AM)
Jordan, I'm asking you to leave
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 2:10:13 AM)
not going to answer my questions first?
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:10:26 AM)
Jordan, Second Warning, please leave
Jordan Malave (Jul 1, 2011 2:11:05 AM)
ok well you have a good night then... i wish you could have answered a simple question for me but i guess that was too much to ask. thank you for speaking with meand sorry to cause you aggrivation it was not my intent
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Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:11:28 AM)
I can count a couple back handed insults in that last post
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:11:54 AM)
Thank you Auggy for sitting in and watching some
auggy (Jul 1, 2011 2:12:08 AM)
No worry. :) I'll pull logs here in a minute
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:12:11 AM)
If my conduct was unbecoming of an ST, I will answer for it.
auggy (Jul 1, 2011 2:12:24 AM)
I didn't see anything terrible.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:12:50 AM)
The concensious from otehr Players was that they were glad if anything I brought them together to point out this problem and see if I could get it worked out some.
Mingus (Jul 1, 2011 2:14:13 AM)
I'm gonna head out of the room now, and thanks again Auggy.
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