Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:13:23 PM)
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insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:14:57 PM)
*sits on Alley's shoulder*

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:15:02 PM)
*Waves*

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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:15:45 PM)
okay, first thing I want made very, inarguably clear.

Scavenger OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:15:52 PM)
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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:16:21 PM)
no one is ever going to be banned for bringing a complaint about me TO me. Ever. take screenshots of this folks - I do not ban people for logging complaints with how I do things.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:16:51 PM)
I heard some people were afraid to bring some stuff up to me for fear of retribution. I give my word, I will never do that. I'm remarkably easygoing.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:03 PM)
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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:13 PM)
man, everyone's showing up after Imake announcements.

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:19 PM)
well you are hst

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:20 PM)
I'll wait a few minutes and then repeat. just in case we get more x3

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:22 PM)
they never show for me.

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:22 PM)
Cause we luvs ya!

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:33 PM)
I got told it all.. I has ears and friends who told me

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:42 PM)
and you catch me when I'm busy Mit

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:52 PM)
i wish i had friends Mel :(

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:17:55 PM)
Ooo! Is anyone here part of the Airship crew?

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:18:00 PM)
its okay IP... you'll be fine

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:18:05 PM)
Hmm

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:18:09 PM)
okay.. so.. we can log complaints right?

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:18:09 PM)
not that i know of

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:18:17 PM)
*pets the tiny troll*

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:18:35 PM)
the one i know of that's around is sleepin now Darby

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:18:59 PM)
i have been kinda wishing i'd made a nocker recently lol.

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:19:07 PM)
their still open

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:19:15 PM)
we are allowing i believe 2 pcs

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:04 PM)
yeah i know but i has a giant troll

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:13 PM)
alright. just reminding folks - anyone is allowed to complain to me at any time. I won't ban for bringing complaints about me up to me.

Casey Richards (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:15 PM)
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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:19 PM)
GAAAAAHHHHH.

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:22 PM)
HAHA

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:23 PM)
*kicks Casey*

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:23 PM)
*giggles*

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:26 PM)
just copy and paste it

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:34 PM)
x3

Casey Richards (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:42 PM)
*bites alley with her gaping maw, likely severing a limb!*

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:44 PM)
I have a question Alley. Will we ever be banned for bringing a complaint to you?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:20:50 PM)
NO.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:21:08 PM)
ever. I will always allow people to bring up complaints to me. if you do so politely and honestly, you have nothing whatsoever to fear. I need to improve my game.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:21:29 PM)
(Casey,I had said that several times, and each time someone logged in just after I did. including you x3 it was hilarious)

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:22:18 PM)
Okay.. so first complaint.. Since I'm on limited time.. and I hope you don't mind if I just get started..

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:22:28 PM)
hit me.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:22:58 PM)
oh, side note - these complaints MUST be brought up politely. don't grovel or anything, but if I get hit with "THIS SUCKS, AND YOU SUCK, AND HERES WHY," I will ignore you. no bans, just ignoring.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:23:13 PM)
that said, Go Mel!

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:23:16 PM)
1. Are we playing Changeling the Lost or Changeling the Dreaming? Since most of the setting set up and layout you have propose and place out there for the game makes it seem like we shold be doing the CtL not CtD

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:23:34 PM)
we are playing a low-power, commoner oriented, urban fantasy version of CtD.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:23:51 PM)
it has variations on the canon, including elements borrowed from other games/worlds (Dresden Files, CtL, etc)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:23:58 PM)
but it is CtD in its main elements.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:24:46 PM)
2. Getting what we pay for. As a Troll player I purchased something out of the Troll Kithbook, which you had stated was sanctioned. and I was told on my sacntioned was okay. Then Find out that It gor nerfed.. So Would you like to take the banked xp on my sheet so I can have the lv 7 chimera (Troll Maul) or am I stuck with the regular maul.. even though its been listed as a Troll maul

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Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:26:30 PM)
she'll be back

Chase Gadon (Mar 1, 2011 1:26:34 PM)
darn wrong naeme lol

Chase Gadon (Mar 1, 2011 1:26:39 PM)
name*

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:26:41 PM)
I have to table that discussion because Adversarius and Mitt are better at mechanics than I am. I will flag it to their attention immediately and we will discuss a fair resolution to the matter, but I promise you you will either get your xp back or something conmeasurate with what you spent.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:27:10 PM)
you shouldn't have xp robbed because of a misunderstanding, and we will make it right asap. by this friday in fact.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:28:56 PM)
is that ok?

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:29:25 PM)
sure..

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:29:35 PM)
Next part..

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:29:44 PM)
3. Issues of cold Iron - So if there is a LOT of cold iron aroudn new orleans, which strips our effects from staying up for a long time, which you've gotta have a lot invested in the time Realm, thy drop by 1 success a day. No other venue has there success like that deteriate down. So if that is true why are not the changeling's banalities jumping up also.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:29:44 PM)
if I'm not answering satisfactorily, please let me know.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:30:16 PM)
Trust me.. I don't think thats gonna happen.. but your trying.. thats something.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:30:22 PM)
that's a good question. Mechanics can't always reflect the reality of everything. The more you try to approach simulation, the more conflicts pop up.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:30:53 PM)
So.. your saying is that our magic.. even at the low levels you'd like it to stay at.. is getting screwed over because you'd prefer to have it be a conflict.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:31:04 PM)
no, read what I said.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:31:07 PM)
mechanics cause conflicts.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:31:25 PM)
the more rules you put into something, the more difficult they are going to make it to see who is right.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:31:51 PM)
such as game exploits in 3rd edition DnD that allow you to create teleportation just by standing in a long line.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:31:54 PM)
I can agree on thta. but this is OWoD.. theres still the base golden rule that was printed in every book across the venues..

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:32:08 PM)
ok, hear me out.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:32:10 PM)
It is not Dresdein Files, NWoD, D&D or others.. btu OWoD

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:32:20 PM)
OWoD has the same problem.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:32:23 PM)
there are rules exploits in the game.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:32:44 PM)
whenever you create rules, there are exploits., there are also flaws in the rules, because when you try to make something the case, the rules cannot reflect it perfectly. that'w what I am saying.

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:33:07 PM)
we arent debating rules to be fair Alle, i think we are talking about the Setting

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:33:28 PM)
and how the choice in setting affects the game

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:33:37 PM)
Exactly, thank you IP

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:33:39 PM)
yessss, and I am trying to explain how the conflict arose.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:33:56 PM)
but if you'd rather I not, and simply give you non-answers, I can do that.

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:34:09 PM)
please go on Allegory.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:34:31 PM)
but to be more specific.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:34:50 PM)
yes, there is a lot of iron in the city. yes, it deteriorates magic's duration. and actually, fae are picking up banality. you get +1 temp ban every month.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:35:09 PM)
we decided this was a good balance to show how rough life in the city is wihtout completely crippling everybody.

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:35:18 PM)
.... we get +1 banality a month?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:35:26 PM)
temp. not perm.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:35:27 PM)
but yes.

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 1:35:38 PM)
Can we burn it off?

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:35:57 PM)
exactly why would any changeling stay in the city?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:36:23 PM)
I'm sure characters can come up with their own reasons.

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:36:29 PM)
Effectively you can spend time in a freehold to burn off that banality but currently you have access to one freehold that costs a dross to do so.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:36:48 PM)
Pay dross.. which is hard to get.. to burn it off the banality..

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:37:02 PM)
maybe their banal form can't afford the cost of moving locations. maybe they found some dreamers that makes it worth their while. maybe people like the idea of a courtless society where commoners can cut their own way through things.

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 1:37:09 PM)
I don't know how to make dross

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:37:16 PM)
musing or ravaging, tamara.

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:37:26 PM)
What if we live outside of the city?

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:37:32 PM)
Or are you not allowing that?

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:38:04 PM)
Allegory.. thats teh other thing.. The feudal system that has been in play with the CtD since after teh shattering, why are we throwing it out the window?

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Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 1:38:43 PM)
I am learning CtD. I typically play CtL

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:38:58 PM)
Becasue I wanted to tell a commoner story.

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:38:59 PM)
*Looks up at Melissa* Whoa, yer a lotta lady.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:39:19 PM)
Simple as that. there was a war, and the commoners took over in NOLA.

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:39:30 PM)
*Chuckles* Sidhe wouldn't be able to stay in town to hold onto their power either!

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:39:37 PM)
Since they will get 2 banality every month.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:39:49 PM)
yeah.. 5 months in.. BAM.. they get the hell out.. cause thats a LOT

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:40:19 PM)
Or they decide they like the idea of being able to demonstrate that theyc an maintain power in such a place.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:40:40 PM)
If a sidhe can rule a place that is so banal, and keep it festive and dreamlike...that's power in the faerie world. that commands respect.

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:41:16 PM)
Hopefully I will be part of an Airship crew.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:41:19 PM)
Yes, but because of the System you have set up.. a sidhe can't stay around. Then also being told, that no one is set for a Title.

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:41:21 PM)
That goes into the Dreaming.

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:41:26 PM)
i appreciate the attempt to do something new and interesting. that +1 temp banal a month is a huge ammount though

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:41:35 PM)
Thereby maintaining a balance between Banality and Bedlam.

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:42:12 PM)
Makes sense for a crew of a ship like that to have a Banal port.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:42:23 PM)
no, +1 temp banality a month is not that bad.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:42:24 PM)
Dreamers 1: 5 dross Dreamers 2: 6 dross Dreamers 3: 7 dross Dreamers 4: 8 dross Dreamers 5: 9 dross

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:42:52 PM)
one dross sheds a temp banality.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:42:57 PM)
So Allegory, question

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 1:43:00 PM)
We should buy dreamers

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:43:06 PM)
sure Mel.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:43:09 PM)
seriously? thats your ruling?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:43:21 PM)
What's my ruling?

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:43:28 PM)
Never mind my question then,

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:43:43 PM)
I'm confused. what's the question? I'm open to discussion, I'm just explaining where things are at.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:44:00 PM)
And I'm holding back in my part, because I'd rather not get set on ignore

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:44:09 PM)
you won't get ignored for disagreeing with me.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:44:14 PM)
well then..

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:44:20 PM)
just don't be -rude-.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:45:16 PM)
!. I think you mixing of the systems into CtD is a poor ideal and cluttering the setting even more with additional rules and making more loop holes and complications arise that will only end in more player frustration and more callling for your head under a gullitin in the sense of a thought.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:45:46 PM)
I haven't mixed any systems. I take inspirations, but I haven't mixed rules from any systems at all.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:46:14 PM)
everythign is either CtD core, or a house rule -to- CtD core. no systems mixed.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:46:17 PM)
+1 banality temp a month.. which if you buy dreamers.. you can blow off. Having a commoner ran place but no Commoner leader there to help us.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:46:28 PM)
there are several commoner leaders.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:46:33 PM)
Where?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:46:35 PM)
Calvin Pearce, Roy Dufontain.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:46:39 PM)
you've met them both.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:46:47 PM)
well, players have met them both.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:46:48 PM)
4 months ago

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:46:57 PM)
ahh, that's another issue. I fully own I haven't been around much.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:47:04 PM)
was the last time I saw Roy, I've seen Calvin 1 since my return,

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:47:12 PM)
which is why I hired Mitt, and which is why I will be taking a hiatus from being an admin for a while.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:47:37 PM)
So how are we suppose to have faith in a venue you are the HST of if your taking Hiatus?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:47:40 PM)
I had to help keep the whole chat open, and my changeling time suffered for it. that is something I can't do anything but apologize for. I'll be turning my attention fully to the venue.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:47:49 PM)
...hiatus from being an -admin-. read the things I say please.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:47:58 PM)
mis understood .. apologizes

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:48:01 PM)
no worries =)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:48:35 PM)
plus, take a look at what Albel and company did.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:48:43 PM)
they didn't like Roy as a potential leader.

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:48:43 PM)
Almost no one knows IC

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:48:46 PM)
they went and founded a freehold.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:48:57 PM)
so there's a potential set of leaders and friends to draw upon.

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:48:59 PM)
None of the motley posted that information.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:49:03 PM)
Wait.. theres another freehold?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:49:05 PM)
it'll be hard to keep secret.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:49:17 PM)
yes, and there will be plenty of opporutnity to find out about it, I give my word.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:49:25 PM)
I'm not letting one motley keep a hold ;) just not gonna happen.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:50:15 PM)
there are in fact going tob e a whole host of storylines for people to get involved in Cold Water.

Melissa Pepper (Mar 1, 2011 1:51:16 PM)
Well, If you don't mind then.. I'm going to leave the meeting because I am finding at this point, I need to focus back on work, and I like not getting stressed out over a game.

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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:51:53 PM)
alright. who else has something to bring to attention?

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 1:52:34 PM)
Is anyone reading our BBs?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:52:47 PM)
I'd like to say yes. How about I say "they will now."

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 1:52:58 PM)
Thank you

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:53:05 PM)
again, because of things that needed my attention elsewhere, I haven't been focusing on the game as much. very much my own fault.

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:53:44 PM)
if i've missed something please poke me.

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 1:53:50 PM)
I didn't know about the dross thing or time thing

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:53:52 PM)
in fact, I'm gonna make a ruling right here and now, given as a way of thanking people for their patience with me as I try to keep this venue going and do a frankly crap job of it:

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:54:11 PM)
everyone can have +1 perm glamour. everyone currently registered, everyone who makes a character within the next week.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:54:27 PM)
someone let Mel know when she gets back.

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:54:35 PM)
already did.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:54:55 PM)
lemme know what she says.

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:55:02 PM)
i have a question

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:55:04 PM)
he's going to make a different character.

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:55:08 PM)
if you dont mind

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:55:11 PM)
caller go ahead! :)

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:55:24 PM)
How are you handling Nature 2

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:55:34 PM)
Well, I gotta go.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:55:36 PM)
how do you mean?

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:55:52 PM)
Primal 2 even sorry

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:56:00 PM)
do we require nature 5 to use it?

Scavenger OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:56:20 PM)
I should have a character made by 5pm...

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:56:37 PM)
hm. mechanics aren't my strongpoint. let me defer that one for 3 minutes while I consultt with my rulesmonkey.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:56:42 PM)
I will come back to it.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:56:45 PM)
next question?

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 1:56:47 PM)
thats fine

Darby O'Toole (Mar 1, 2011 1:56:51 PM)
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Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 1:56:58 PM)
I think I have primal 2

Yarn Monster (Mar 1, 2011 1:57:02 PM)
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Erik Austin (Mar 1, 2011 1:57:57 PM)
I have a question for the rules monkey if I can, since I did not want to question a ruling while in a scene

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 1:58:11 PM)
*nods* Ask away.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:58:31 PM)
given that the rules seem pretty clear, yeah, we're gonna say needing nature 5. otherwise from what my ST is telling me, it gets too powerful too quick.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 1:59:00 PM)
if you weren't aware of this, get with Adv and Mitt, and we'll discuss re-spending your xp if you'd like.

Erik Austin (Mar 1, 2011 1:59:31 PM)
primal one willow whisp allows you to speak to inanimate objest such as rocks and trees, exactly why would it not work on a chimera with no mouth?

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:00:04 PM)
You have to understand that it speaks in the language of the target.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:00:40 PM)
So a rock would speak slowly ...if a chimera dosen't understand spoken or can only simply write its not going to work as intended. If your speaking about Slick he's a special case.

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:00:58 PM)
Allegory, would you mind asking your rules monkey's in what way primal 2 becomes too powerful without Nature 5 please?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:01:56 PM)
we'll get to that as soon as we can. promise.

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:02:15 PM)
I'll keep my primal 2 tyvm

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:02:36 PM)
I'll try for nature 5

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:02:45 PM)
Basically you need the Nature 5 to control what you call forth.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:03:22 PM)
so you could conjure a fire earlier, but you wouldn't be able to direct it?

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:03:28 PM)
Exactly.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:03:38 PM)
You can create mud under someone but its not going to follow them

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:03:39 PM)
so allowing more control over it earlier, basically overpowers nature as a realm.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:03:44 PM)
yes.

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:04:18 PM)
which is exactly as ive understood that art. I just wanted to be sure cause the rules arent great

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:04:33 PM)
Yes that's one of those pickles in the base system.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:04:38 PM)
tell you what.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:04:45 PM)
this rule is too complicated to rule on without the whole ST staff.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:04:52 PM)
I promise a ruling by friday on how we intend to handle it.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:05:15 PM)
but I want to get Adv's input on this rather than bury him into a corner. he's our best mechanics ST overall.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:05:37 PM)
that acceptable for folks?

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:06:53 PM)
fine by me

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:06:58 PM)
Sure

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:07:14 PM)
Any other thoughts?

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:07:14 PM)
I didn't think you could control the element

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:07:39 PM)
please guys, just because I'm not agreeing does NOT mean I am not listening. I want to hear what my players think.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:08:04 PM)
I'm firmly set on my commoner oriented setting. that won't change. but if you have complaints about HOW I'm doing it, I want to hear those. please share, I want to make this game fun and good.

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:08:19 PM)
Ok I have something I want to bring up but just to you

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:08:24 PM)
sure.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:10:06 PM)
Does anyone else have any suggestions/complaints/requests

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:13:06 PM)
i am curious to how you are handling the nocker frailty. but thats just me being nosey

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:13:15 PM)
which one? the nocker flaws in their stuff?

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:13:25 PM)
thats the one

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:13:58 PM)
about the same way RoD does. I let the crafter come up with a flaw for their items, though I also will rule if it isn't sufficient. generally since they're minor flaws (not hindering mechanics), I allow people to use their creativity.

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:14:17 PM)
*nods*

Evil Grinz (Mar 1, 2011 2:14:31 PM)
okay, quick question... >.> i cant find thresholds in the book. where are they?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:15:01 PM)
can you help her with that, Mitty?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:15:26 PM)
also, proposing an idea, since everyone's convinced +1 banality is going to doom their character....people, tell me how much ban you've gotten since you started playing.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:15:30 PM)
temp ban.

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Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:15:43 PM)
i have the rules for the temp banility as well.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:15:49 PM)
as per the book in one second.

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:16:23 PM)
i have got eleventy hundred temp banality

insanitypersonified OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:16:52 PM)
>.>

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:16:54 PM)
I don't know

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Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:17:09 PM)
starts on page 213

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:17:12 PM)
for the thresholds

Evil Grinz (Mar 1, 2011 2:17:17 PM)
ty

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:17:39 PM)
how much temporary banality do people have on their sheets, right now?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:17:45 PM)
go look, please. :)

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Saviitas (Mar 1, 2011 2:18:15 PM)
*plunks her lil fish-butt into a seat*

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:18:22 PM)
Getting rid of banility

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:18:46 PM)
0

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:19:01 PM)
Neither temp Galmour or banality have points

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:19:13 PM)
If you'd like me to put it out there you can add a Nightmare die to your captrip pool. of couse temp banility can be gotten rid of by dross you can also opt to do quests to get rid of banility.

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:19:47 PM)
I think I forgot to fill them in

Scavenger OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:20:28 PM)
Feeeesh!

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Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:25:34 PM)
If it could be added that's nice

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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:25:41 PM)
we'll do so.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:26:13 PM)
but hear me out. since no one seems to have any banality on their sheet (temp, I mean)....is +1 temp -really- that bad to people? I'm not asking to badger, I just want to know honestly. if you think it is, tell me why.

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Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:28:07 PM)
it makes more work for the st's and if you have sidhe here its crippling to them.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:28:26 PM)
...is anyone here? I called a meeting, I'd be pleased if people participated. =/

Saviitas (Mar 1, 2011 2:28:34 PM)
No issues here, getting a lot of dross from dreamers, and I don't use much magic anyway.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:29:08 PM)
I might not enforce the double penalty for the ambient banality on sidhe.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:29:21 PM)
thoughts on that as a solution? yea or nay, I won't complain about either.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:29:33 PM)
Nay its part of their integral flaw.

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:30:26 PM)
*Crickets*

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Scavenger OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:31:18 PM)
Let me know when you ahve some time for one-on-one questions, Alleg?

Casey Richards (Mar 1, 2011 2:31:32 PM)
not really sure as I don't even have my fae made yet so I haven't been exposed to any of these house rules and such yet

Aoife Green (Mar 1, 2011 2:31:55 PM)
*Curls up*

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:31:56 PM)
Just came in hoping to heard House Balor Ogres would be allowed.

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:31:57 PM)
>.>

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:32:00 PM)
*Hear

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:32:04 PM)
Never.

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:32:19 PM)
Never ever?

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:32:26 PM)
I was participating

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:32:29 PM)
Not neverdy never of no-times,but like forever never?

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:32:36 PM)
nope not nevery.

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:32:42 PM)
Damnsy.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:32:47 PM)
allowed books are changeling core, player's guide, and kithbooks.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:32:50 PM)
there's tons of great stuff in those.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:33:16 PM)
and pms are welcome. sorry for getting upset, I don't need to do that and it's unfair to you guys.

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:33:46 PM)
Yeah, you meany pants!

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:33:49 PM)
>.>

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:33:50 PM)
<.<

Scavenger OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:34:10 PM)
Are you going to be around in, like, twenty minutes to possibly sanction a character?

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:34:47 PM)
No.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:34:49 PM)
Mitt? could you handle that? if not, I will.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:34:53 PM)
I can.

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:35:14 PM)
I could be a good ST. "I want.." "No."

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:35:37 PM)
Scavenger, your one on one question?

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:35:44 PM)
he found the answer

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:35:50 PM)
Answered before hearing it- "No."

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:36:01 PM)
Was cosmic displeasure expressin itself to him at his keyboar

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:36:07 PM)
*Tacks on the d*

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:36:29 PM)
anyone else with questions comments or requests

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:36:38 PM)
*tacks a kick me sign to Yama*

Evil Grinz (Mar 1, 2011 2:36:40 PM)
my character sheet is submitted!

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:36:51 PM)
I request house Scacath Sidhe slot opens for me

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:36:59 PM)
As of...yesterday

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:04 PM)
...with no background needed.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:04 PM)
That is not up to me *points at Alley*

Yama Kaze (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:13 PM)
....and seventy extra freebies.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:20 PM)
ill look at you now EG did you post a BG?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:21 PM)
Yama, stop please.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:30 PM)
We're having a changeling meeting. It's fine to joke around a bit.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:36 PM)
But you're being disruptive. Out.

Evil Grinz (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:40 PM)
not yet. i have a general BG, but i need to flesh out details. i just have the sheet in the DB

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:49 PM)
once you get the bg up poke me

Evil Grinz (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:51 PM)
general BG in my head*

Evil Grinz (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:54 PM)
*nods*

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:37:56 PM)
and ill get to sanctioning.

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:38:07 PM)
How hard is it to raise realms?

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Evil Grinz (Mar 1, 2011 2:38:19 PM)
now comes the hard part for me. the awakeneing type thing >.<

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:38:36 PM)
not terribly. some decent explanation of how you got there, and spend the xp during your monthly xp reqs.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:39:11 PM)
I also have a request to the players if I may Allegory?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:40:20 PM)
go right ahead.

Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:40:46 PM)
I ask that you all give us a little patience for the next two weeks or so to get things moving again and that we apologize for the delay in things :)

Saviitas (Mar 1, 2011 2:41:03 PM)
Sure. ^_^

Saviitas (Mar 1, 2011 2:41:09 PM)
Afk a sec here, kids bedtime.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:41:11 PM)
I'll be perfectly clear. Most of these issues are my fault. Our character creation page isn't as clear as it could be. I haven't been around as much.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:41:24 PM)
I will be doing everything I can to get the venue rolling solidly along.

Tamara Kim (Mar 1, 2011 2:43:51 PM)
Thanks okies I am heading off

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Yarn Monster and rules monkey (Mar 1, 2011 2:46:06 PM)
Anything else or am I allowed to go back to knitting?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 2:47:07 PM)
scoot folks. go have fun. I'm sorry I came off a bit of an ogre today. it's always hard to hear critique about yourself, esp when the critique is warranted. you're all gems.

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Saviitas (Mar 1, 2011 2:55:57 PM)
*pokes Scavenger* Who are you anyway?

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Scavenger OOC (Mar 1, 2011 2:58:33 PM)
I play a DS named Bryan

Saviitas (Mar 1, 2011 2:59:55 PM)
Op! *hugzors*

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Saviitas (Mar 1, 2011 3:01:14 PM)
*drags you along*

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Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:04:17 PM)
I don't think there are too many folks about right now

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Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:04:28 PM)
*waves at Lyric and Nigel*

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:04:33 PM)
<--Future changeling, if that helps

Lyric Lesh (Mar 1, 2011 8:04:47 PM)
I am contemplating a Pooka

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:05:00 PM)
what kinda pooka?

Lyric Lesh (Mar 1, 2011 8:05:06 PM)
Homing Pigeon

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:05:12 PM)
Nice lol

Lyric Lesh (Mar 1, 2011 8:05:34 PM)
I like Pooka.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:06:01 PM)
They aren't my favs but aren't my least favorite either.

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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:06:22 PM)
knew there'd be a handful.

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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:07:05 PM)
alright, let's get one thing out of the way - I'm stepping down from active duty as an admin (I'll basically be a reserve admin) to spend more time specifically with changeling now that the assorted staffing crises seem to have calmed themselves.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:08:00 PM)
also, everyone in the venue was given a +1 perm glamour as an apology for my absences. that said, I am not trying to buy off peoples' complaints, simply doing what I can to help keep people around who probably have good reason to consider moving on. Thus, I open the floor - hit me with your issues, and no I will never ban anyone for bringing me a complaint ABOUT me ;) just be polite, is all I ask.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:08:24 PM)
let's go in order if we can. Azu, you're up.

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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:00 PM)
for the love of...

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:04 PM)
lol

Nathaniel Hall (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:04 PM)
:D

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:05 PM)
I think Melvin is comming too

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:05 PM)
every time I announce something, people come in after.

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:12 PM)
Copy it

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:14 PM)
thats what I do

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:16 PM)
/repost like mad

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:30 PM)
mitty, could you brief people who come in late on the etiquette? x3

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:39 PM)
Yes master...

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:47 PM)
I adore you.

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Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:53 PM)
x4

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:53 PM)
that should be the last one

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:09:59 PM)
okay, then I'll repost.

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:10:03 PM)
please do.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:10:03 PM)
Well, my biggest issue was never seeing you to talk to. So it's good to see you present now. My other big issues were the being told my PC 'might die' trying to earn a power...it just felt like a threat to me. (cause that's not the way any other game runs powers so I think it's a tad unbalanced) and also the lack of setting stuff

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:10:27 PM)
short version: everyone has been given +1 perm glamour as an apology for me vanishing for so long to deal with admin stuff. I will be stepping down as admin in the interim to focus on CtD.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:10:47 PM)
this is a clearing house to go over issues people might have with me. anything is allowed on table, just be polite.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:11:04 PM)
etiquette is we're going in order down the list by name.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:11:07 PM)
ok. now to Azu.

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:11:11 PM)
and he's going in alphabetical order the +1 glam has been added to your sheets already.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:11:12 PM)
And Adversarius was awesome about talking to me about stuffs yesterday, and saying he'd like to see things shifted in a way players want but as he's not the HST it's one of those 'well what does the HST say' things.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:11:40 PM)
(when folks finish, put a /done at your post so I can know when to respond so I don't interrupt a bunch, thx)

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:11:46 PM)
/done sorry

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:12:05 PM)
no worries. this is all kinda hectic.

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:12:24 PM)
(I will be slightly afk making dinner ill scroll when I get time)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:13:12 PM)
Ok. on the me not being around - it sucks, nothing to say for it. I had to do some things irl and admin wise, and CtD suffered. partly because the overall staff rejected one of my recommends for extra CtD, and my OTHER ctd ST (sk, nyone remember him?) vanished. so I've been stretched super thin. That said, I -will- be around at least four days a week from now on. my major demands have been lifted, and I can focus on building this venue.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:13:46 PM)
I remember the assist person that was around but they vanished some time ago as I recall yes

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:15:00 PM)
PC might die earning a power - no, that's not a threat. It's a decision of the venue. Do you feel threatened when someone says "you may die in this combat scene?" I hope not - it's a matter of how the scene is going. Given how powerful the attribute you want is relative to the power level of the game in general, it was not an inappropriate measure, we feel. Heatherbalm and Hollystrike are -very- powerful. WoD is not a high damage game. So the ability to heal from damage removes a lot of consequences and shifts things heavily in your favor. We didn't say you couldn't have it, simply that it would be very difficult.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:15:22 PM)
I hope that clarifies. We never threaten our players, we just have a certain power scale we're going for at first, and level 4 arts are a bit early for the feel we want.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:15:28 PM)
/done that issue

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Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 8:16:19 PM)
me?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:16:25 PM)
no, still with Azu.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:16:35 PM)
I'll mentione names when we move on. I'm letting azu respond to what I brought up =) sorry

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:19:50 PM)
Well, perhaps, and I'm not trying to be rude. But it seems like saying 'this could be really dangerous' is better than 'you might die'. One implies that you could without making a player feel like it'll probably happen. I still don't really agree with people nearly dying in changeling to get powers when they can just sit in a library and read in Vampire to get them. But if you don't want the powers in the game instead setting up some sort of storyline at which point you feel lvl 4's or above of arts are available to the PC's. I'm much cooler with waiting til the staff is ready if they feel it'll unbalance things anyway.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:20:21 PM)
/done

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:22:35 PM)
the vampire thing I feel is unwarranted. We're not playing vampire. we're being very fair, I think, by saying "this is the absolute worst that might happen to your character" instead of just hinting. if we just hint, and then you die, how upset would you be? "you didn't say this would be lethal" is a common complaint I've had other times I ST. I can understand how it might have been a misunderstanding, but I've instructed my people to be as honest as they can. We'll try to be diplomatic about it, but I'd rather err on the side of "yes, there is death in this box" than risk the direction of "you didn't tell me."

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:23:07 PM)
that said, I understand how it might have been upsetting just to get hit with it. we'll work on our delivery. as for balancing, yes, there will be storylines for people who want higher level stuff ast the game develops.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:23:45 PM)
Now, moving on to Setting issues - yeah, the setting is very lite. I never expected the game to take off quite as quick as it did, and then get roped into other things., I expected a handful of players, instead I got a tide of really good ones. So over the next bit we're gonna revamp the setting and house rules.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:24:06 PM)
that's all I can say on that right htis second, but you are right - the setting is too sparse. more will be coming, including details for everyone about Cold Water.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:24:16 PM)
that cover the things you were worried about for now, Azu?

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:25:53 PM)
If home rules were also going to posted in regards to arts already availalble to people and if a court system was going to be set up sometime were my last two issues. But the later one could be a SL thing so if a answer isn't available I understand. /done

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:26:10 PM)
I see I'm going to have to cover the court issue in detail.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:26:24 PM)
I'll get to it after I've gone throught he list with folks. Hunter, you're up!

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:26:35 PM)
and thank you for bringing things up, Azu, I -am- taking your suggestions on board.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:26:45 PM)
just gotta be patient with me.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:27:04 PM)
*nod* I appreciate you being around to talk to folks, I think in the end everyone just wants a good game where folks have fun.

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 8:27:48 PM)
Largely I think that the biggest issue is the setting actually creates more work for you guys to do it justice. That and I'm sorta confused about where and what to do with Hunter now that I've found out about this +banality for even being in the city per month (i haven't been able to find specifics anywhere) Given that Hunter has been in the city for years ... at count about 12 or so ... i'm sorta confused with how to interpret that, how to rationalise that and where to take it with the character. Largely the scenes i've been about for have been player driven scenes at rooks - and red caps and knitting do not go well together, so its gotten to the point that I've gone "why the hell would i even go there?" Leaving me just confused - being a new player to the game and hoping to use this as a way to learn changeling hasn't helped, with my limited knowledge of the game i've been sorta stuffed in terms of how to help myself, rather than rely on others. But yeah, the banality thing combined with my characters

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 8:27:59 PM)
history has me thinking we need to sort something out about that. That being said I had some awesome scenes with melvin a few weeks back - just since then i've been at a loss.

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 8:28:20 PM)
/done for that :)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:29:19 PM)
alright. the banality thing. people are frankly overreacting to this because +1 temp banality a month is not that much. at all. there are courts, courts that have been in chats, that tax you more dross than would be needed to negate +1 banality a -month-. that said, maybe I'm wrong. tell me though, and this applies to everyone...how much banality a month have you been hit with since making your character?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:29:27 PM)
answer from the top, azu on down.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:30:04 PM)
(note, I'm not attacking you for bringing it up, but I need to clear the air a bit on this one so we're ok with it going forward)

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Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:30:46 PM)
It hasn't come up for me yet but I've requested to Adver that he add one less dross per month to just even it out - I dunno if he has or hasn't taken the dross off to be honest though

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:31:00 PM)
ok. hunter?

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 8:31:36 PM)
Its not a case of current for me, its a case of trying to figure out how she has worked for the last twelve years. I'm fine with working something out for now, its marrying history and setting together that i need to work with someone for

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:31:48 PM)
that's fine, just answer the question =)

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 8:31:48 PM)
without something there, hunter wouldn't know who she is by now

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 8:32:03 PM)
shes only been sanctioned a month and i haven't been in any ST scenes, so 1

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:32:08 PM)
ok. melvin?

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:32:54 PM)
he may be slighting afk

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:32:58 PM)
actually...let's just get bakc to issues. but my point is, you guys aren't being buried in banality.

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:04 PM)
over 9000, actually I had a look at the sheets and I don't think any of the st's have had temp banaility added on at all.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:11 PM)
I'm not being unfair saying the environment you are in is harsh.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:28 PM)
Well, I think the issue is more, if there is that much banality in the city why any fae would stick around, PC or NPC

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:35 PM)
I don't get that part of it myself

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:40 PM)
do you have the money to pick up and move, Azu?

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:43 PM)
Well most of the things I wanted to say ahve been said allready.. and yeah the banality thing was harmless considering the mmount of dross we get

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:49 PM)
right now, no questions asked, get in the car and go somewhere else?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:50 PM)
does everyone?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:53 PM)
I sure don't.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:57 PM)
yes

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:33:59 PM)
lol

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:34:05 PM)
no, not everyone does.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:34:24 PM)
so some people might stay for that reason. they might stay because they love the city. they might relish the challenge of finding dreamers to triumph over it.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:34:55 PM)
Well I'm just saying it's a strange ruling is all, cause it's a matter of how freeholds would survive as well if they're being constantly hit by even a small but constant flow of banality

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:35:08 PM)
I don't really care, it just doesn't make sense to me

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:35:08 PM)
simple.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:35:15 PM)
dreamers 1 gives you 5 glam a month.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:35:36 PM)
1 banality a month vs 5 dross a month. so ok, 20% loss. you then go muse or do bluebooks or other things to fill in the gaps.

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:35:52 PM)
So how about we do 4 dross a month instead?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:35:56 PM)
it's the same thing as people surviving in a desert, or a place where seawater tears up the house you have.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:36:35 PM)
or maintaining a boat against barnacles. it's an annoyance, not a heavy hazard.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:37:14 PM)
I don't really care on the mechanics side of things - like you said, really it's not that harsh of a hit compared to some things - but setting wise it's still confusing for me to stick around a place that feels like it's slowly killing you.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:37:29 PM)
you may as well ask why corporate america survives.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:37:35 PM)
becasue the beneifts outweigh the strain.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:37:43 PM)
I can't explain it more clearly than that.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:38:18 PM)
Okay, well I don't agree, but it's not something I'm that worried about.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:38:50 PM)
as for the past, Hunter - you got used to it. Hunter understood it to be the case, and survived in spite of it by staying tough.

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 8:39:09 PM)
i don't particularly see any benefits right now. There doesn't appear to be any carrot on a stick just yet.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:39:39 PM)
that's fine. as I said, we're gonna be moving forward on scenes and setting. I promise there will be benefits in spades.

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 8:39:40 PM)
I'll talk with mitt over the next few days and sort something out with it allegory, ty for listening to it though, i know it was largely a personal issue.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:39:48 PM)
not the least of which is the brand new freehold.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:39:59 PM)
which I'm going to encourage people to start getting involved in.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:41:00 PM)
but yes, there have been a lot of threads left hanging. it's unfortunate, gonna work on 'em.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:41:10 PM)
okay, Melvin's turn.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:41:12 PM)
hit me Mel.

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:41:27 PM)
He said earlier his stuffs been addressed.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:41:37 PM)
aha, ok.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:41:46 PM)
Nigel, any issues with me we need to air?

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:41:51 PM)
(i think al pays me for paying attention)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:41:58 PM)
yeeeeeup.

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:42:28 PM)
Well except one thing

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:43:28 PM)
it's not a complaint.. it's just somethign I just don't get.. how are we getting perm glamour in a city full of banality, I mean it's a nice thing to get.. and stuff.. but how? :D

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:44:28 PM)
.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:44:39 PM)
a new freehold was founded.

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:44:49 PM)
oh.. :D

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:44:51 PM)
serendipity. maybe the Queen herself visited.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:44:58 PM)
maybe you were a good boy and went to confession.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:45:01 PM)
nobody knows. ;)

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:46:09 PM)
there was something else.. I wanted to ask.. about the balance of certain arts

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:46:19 PM)
hit me.

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:47:06 PM)
well because ... some arts seem to be nerfed.. to quote ghost crawler.. to the ground... and others are way OP

Yarn Monster and Rules Monkey (Mar 1, 2011 8:47:12 PM)
(This user is now known as DomiKNITrix)

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:48:22 PM)
like if for example if you compare Ledgerdeamin to Primal

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:49:03 PM)
We lose oakenshield after a day.. for a lvl 3 power that seems rather weak.. compared to the fact that I get still full access to Ledg.. (which by book is horribly overpowered)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:49:13 PM)
I'll be the first to admit - I'm not a mechanics driven guy. I'm here to write the stories, guide the ship. I'll run scenes, but in mechanical balancing issues I defer to Mitt and Adv. Adv is basically my CoST, not just staff. Mitt is new, but as soon as we see how she does, I'm promoting her to coequal. I'm only HST inasmuch as I come up with the core story.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:49:46 PM)
So tell you what. I'll open up a board for mechanics and house rules suggestions. post what you think would be a good balance, and we will respond to them within a week.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:49:50 PM)
deal?

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:50:08 PM)
works for me.. :)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:50:14 PM)
ok. you settled then?

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 8:50:24 PM)
more or less

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:50:27 PM)
aight. Nigel.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:50:38 PM)
(I'm nbot trying to brush past anyone, just get to EVERYONE as quick as I can)

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:51:24 PM)
I heard that one of the freeholds is pay-to-stay. I can understand a certain balance with an open freehold for the purposes of damage, but from a player's perspective it's *very insulting* to "pay rent" for something a normal changeling gets for free.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:52:18 PM)
alright. I'll be addressing that in my general 'setting' address.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:52:51 PM)
any other issues? Ipromise that one will get air time in my big ol 'all about setting' post.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:53:11 PM)
pondering

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 8:53:32 PM)
is nigel done is it sal's turn?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:53:48 PM)
was asking nigel.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:53:56 PM)
calm down folks.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:53:57 PM)
=)

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 8:54:08 PM)
sorry my bad *sheepish*

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 8:54:15 PM)
direct thy post allegory

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:54:16 PM)
Are there projections for 'sponanteous scenes'? IE, running scenes that aren't necessarily requested?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:54:36 PM)
yup.

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:54:38 PM)
k

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:54:43 PM)
I'm jolly

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:54:47 PM)
ok, Sal!

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 8:58:21 PM)
I ask for focus on the group st's are running for. and not trying to lump the whole venue in to one SL. some people do not get along with other people and not everyone is dick ridin a red cap.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:58:58 PM)
That's....a bit uncalled for, Sal.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 8:59:11 PM)
we're trying to keep this whole thing civil.

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 8:59:19 PM)
that was civil

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 8:59:26 PM)
Hardly.

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 8:59:30 PM)
it is just a term, a turn of a phrase

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 8:59:45 PM)
like the top bollocks or turning a looie

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:00:19 PM)
you can use more civil phrases than that. "dick riding" is like nutriding. it's a pejorative, and intended to be such.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:00:28 PM)
don't play wordgames with me. be civil, please.

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:00:54 PM)
it was not word games, it is how I talk.

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 9:01:59 PM)
Everyone has control over word choice. That is not a good way to have your opinions heard, imo

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:02:02 PM)
fair enough. I've explained what I find acceptable. stick with it.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:02:26 PM)
that said - yes, groups will have the opportunity to seek out and enjoy their own SLs independently of other groups.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:02:47 PM)
May I field this one Allegory?

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:02:52 PM)
you can half ass the words you wish to use all you want

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:02:56 PM)
Sal.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:03:04 PM)
if you continue to argue, you'll sit on a 3 day venue ban.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:03:08 PM)
clear?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:03:29 PM)
this is beyond a personal complaint with me. behave civilly or leave.

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:03:36 PM)
I am not arguing with you over anything. there is ntothing here to argue about.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:03:50 PM)
your choices of words are "yes, clear" or "goodbye."

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:03:53 PM)
choose carefully.

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:04:20 PM)
wow... did I offend you Alley? did I offend anyone else in the room?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:04:33 PM)
yes, you did offend me. I told you "dick riding" is a pejorative and unacceptable.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:04:41 PM)
Yes, a bit, to be honest.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:04:50 PM)
given as this venue is mine, the polite thing would have been "ah, alright." or some variation of that.

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:04:53 PM)
and I have not used it scence then, so what is the issue?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:05:04 PM)
because you have contineud to say I 'half ass" my words.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:05:11 PM)
so let ME be clear with my words, since you value directness.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:05:21 PM)
apologise for arguing with me instead of accepting my ruling, or kindly fuck off.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:05:31 PM)
clear?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:05:47 PM)
I like you Sal, but I don't like getting told I 'half ass' things.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:08:18 PM)
.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:09:56 PM)
Sal, you here?

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 9:10:33 PM)
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Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:11:08 PM)
I said it once how is that continued? I said you half assed your words not say the whole venue. and simply put if you were offended by the fprase you should have said so in a mannor that was not a threat. I used 2 hrases I use commonly in real life and thought nothing of it. Usualy when somone is offened by something somone says there is a statment similar to hey that offended me not it was maybe uncalled for. Maybe I am jsut asking for clearification when somone is offended by what I say. not a half atempt at telling me they were and then over athorative do what I say or I ban you. I think that was a little uncalled for. In the end I guess i will just not be talking much with thouse that are offended

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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:12:20 PM)
fine. perhaps the ban issue was a bit uncalled for. I will retract that. however, at the same time, I calmly and politely said "that was uncivil" and didn't attack you. instead you said I 'half ass" my words. insulting an ST is not something that gets you far.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:12:20 PM)
Alley...not many people know what pejorative means.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:12:36 PM)
so we'll call it a mulligan. do overs entirely, no repercussions for anyone.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:12:37 PM)
deal?

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:13:27 PM)
sounds like a deal.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:13:30 PM)
alright.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:13:32 PM)
air cleared.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:13:37 PM)
may i field this one?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:13:38 PM)
we're all human, we fuck up.

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 9:13:39 PM)
*shrug*

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:13:41 PM)
go for it, Mitt.

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 9:14:05 PM)
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Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:14:10 PM)
wb Hunter

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:14:16 PM)
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DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:14:45 PM)
I've been watching the social cliques in the game for a while now and I plan on trying to make some sl's available for certain cliques. I'm not a meta plotty person that would be Adver and Alley. I mostly deal with smaller plot lines and things people need ran. I run things randomly through out the day as well for those present.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:14:47 PM)
hey Cat. we're airing grievances and issues with Allegory and his handling of the ST team. because he's a tosser. After Mitty helps Sal with his question, you can go =)

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:15:07 PM)
:P

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:15:25 PM)
I also do solo plotlines like I did for Arion earlier today.

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:16:05 PM)
I'm just here for my glamour

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:16:07 PM)
*thumbs up*

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:16:10 PM)
you already got it.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:16:15 PM)
I edited everyones sheet today.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:16:24 PM)
yup. I keep my promises.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:16:30 PM)
*eyes alley*

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:16:39 PM)
Mitty keeps my promises.

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:16:41 PM)
The comment was more facetious than anything else. I'd rather my elf! hurhurhur

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:16:49 PM)
Thank you.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:17:39 PM)
So please don't hesitate to poke me with a stick if you want something smaller scale ran.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:19:18 PM)
ok. I hav eto attend to something irl for 5 minutes. I will be back asap. Mitty, please explain some of the smaller scene ideas (in very basic preview terms) you intend to run soon. Sorry everyone.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:19:21 PM)
Also I placed some plot stuff on the forums so check there often.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:20:06 PM)
Currently there is a single plot line of mine running around that you can look into ic if you chose. There is also some blow back from the incident at Carnival as well you can look into should you chose.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:21:33 PM)
Also in the near future I plan to take some of the more darker parts of New Orleans and bring them to light.

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 9:23:16 PM)
as in we get to see them.. run and hide.. or they will be.. turned into happy places? :)

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:24:08 PM)
lol

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:24:21 PM)
I'm gonna doubt the later one Mel

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:24:32 PM)
Yes you can choose to be involved or not.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:25:27 PM)
Being involved is good, unless it's too much at once atm

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:25:32 PM)
imo not atm

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:25:42 PM)
cause 'at the moment' doesn't make sense...

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:25:42 PM)
back

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:25:45 PM)
wb

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:25:50 PM)
wb

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:26:14 PM)
ok, typing.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:27:28 PM)
When people tell me it insults them as a *player* that something in-character is not as they expected, when said thing was never promised to them, I feel a bit bothered. After all, the world is not fair. supposedly in the USA we have 4th amendment protection against warantless search and seizure. But police conduct searches without warrants all the time using licensing and 'health and safety' inspection rules. what -should be- is not always the case.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:28:33 PM)
So. in new orleans, there was a war. the nobles were thrown out. the only surviving freehold in the immediate area is under one powerful satyr's control when you all arrive, and he says he's charging for access to it. Is that ideal? no. Is he breaching every rule of Escheat society? pretty much. did it happen anyway? yes, because Roy duFontain is a powerful badass of a general who knows he can get away with it. the circumstances are what they are - you are forced tod eal with them.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:29:28 PM)
actually, related to that, may I ask a question when you're done discussing with who asked the question?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:29:48 PM)
let me get the overview done, and I'll open this issue up to more queries, promise.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:29:53 PM)
Okies

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:31:30 PM)
So, you have a setting where things aren't ideal. you guys are dealing with them in your own ways. I -hate- it when chats simply replicate the structure of every other chat out htere. Every garou game has a sept, every vampire game has a court, every changeling game has a freehold with escheat court. I wanted to do something different, and I never hid that. If you don't want that, I'm sorry, it's what you get. this is a nontraditional game, exploring a different side of the dreaming than the usual "we are part of the courts" aspect everyone goes for. New Orleans is a hot zone, very much like the balkans, and polite faerie society has washed their hands of the place.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:32:32 PM)
that SAID, I have never said I will forbid players from -establishing- a court if they so choose. But polite faerie society isn't forced to recognize it, just as England was not forced to recognize William the Bastard's claim on the english throne - he came and imposed his will by force of arms, and created his right as king. if you want to have a court, that is what you will have to do. I'm not giving it to you - make it.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:33:16 PM)
if that is the story you seek out as characters? awesome. I'll back whatever line you want to try to go for. but you're not going to get it in the traditional way, becasue this is not a traditional story. if you want a traditional court game, RoD does a magnificent one. Jme is bar none the best CtD st out there.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:33:37 PM)
and I insist you all go play there. even if you play in mine or don't, check her game out, she's great.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:33:56 PM)
that said, there's my thoughts on setting and court in general, and why I'm sticking with what I am. I open the floor to questions.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:34:18 PM)
starting from the -bottom- this time.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:34:21 PM)
Sal, Nigel, etc.

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:35:10 PM)
I got nothing to add to this part of it so the floor is Nigel's

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:37:15 PM)
bit of etiquette - if you're going to comment, signal that you are before you type a long post so I know whether to move on.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:37:26 PM)
for now, Melvin, you're up.

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 9:37:32 PM)
I'm curious as to why you feel the need to be defensive over the game as it stands? It's totally understandable to have a unique setting, and I applaud the desire for it. I should hope the "cost-for-freehold-use" is what makes the setting

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:37:36 PM)
ah, there'snigel.

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 9:37:38 PM)
lol, alrighty then . .

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:37:38 PM)
mel, one moment.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:38:03 PM)
mostly because I've been getting badgered from day one "but we don't have a court, why?"

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 9:38:10 PM)
I am mostly done :)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:38:12 PM)
I was outright told I was an idiot for not having a court.

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 9:38:13 PM)
just reading

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 9:38:20 PM)
That seems unfair

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:38:27 PM)
That seems patently ridiculous

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:38:33 PM)
(that someone would call you an idiot)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:38:37 PM)
I have not been given a chance to let my game stand as it is. no one's given it a chance to go "hey, maybe a non court game would be awesome."

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 9:38:38 PM)
(( Ditto ))

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:39:05 PM)
instead, almost everyone who has commented on it has gone along the lines of "why no court? I wnat a court. you

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:39:15 PM)
you've forbidden us from having a court (no I haven't, I just haven't GIVEN you one)."

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:39:25 PM)
so I feel a bit defensive over it, and I want people to understand how passionately I feel about this idea.

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 9:39:36 PM)
well people could allways make stuff themselves

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:39:39 PM)
this isn't just a gimmick. this is an attempt to explore something different.

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 9:39:41 PM)
and then deal with consequences

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:39:52 PM)
and I want people to know how strongly I feel about it, that's all. that answer that, Nigel?

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 9:39:57 PM)
I only think that the current setting requires more work from staff to do it justice, and its shown since I've been in the venue that because of that theres been some toothing issues. That can be overcome with time.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:40:12 PM)
fair complaint, hunter.

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:40:16 PM)
And if you had a court, people would tell you you had the wrong kind. Alley, you're lovely, but as an ST and HST at that... You're always going to be told you're doing it wrong - and dead wrong mostly - at that.

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 9:40:22 PM)
I don't know enough about the game to make a directed comment about the court specifically. As long as the players are given strong guidance for various plots instead of making them on their own--not to say it is that way right now

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:40:40 PM)
no, fair point on me not being involvd enough and not having enough stting details up.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:40:44 PM)
that WILL change, and soon.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:40:55 PM)
anything further on the court thing, hunter?

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 9:42:04 PM)
/done

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:42:34 PM)
again people, if you don't poke me when I say your name, I'll move on =)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:42:42 PM)
I want to keep the discussion lively.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:43:21 PM)
ok, we'll come back to hunter. Cat!

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:43:39 PM)
I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING!

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:43:40 PM)
Ahem

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:43:41 PM)
;)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:44:18 PM)
....kay!

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:44:19 PM)
Azu!

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:44:22 PM)
Honestly I saw the room and kind of just fell into this discussion. I'm used to people being bent about this, that and the other thing. It's just the way people can be. A game's a game and if you truly want to play, you'll figure out how to work within a venue.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:44:25 PM)
well, the issue I think lies in with Roy being a powerful badass of a general - quoteing your words. I wanted to ask about seeking out help from surrounding kingdoms - because it very much seems like setting wise, getting powerful friends to help topple the powerful enemies is a good way to go. However, that sorta stuff you can't really do without ST approval. And as you have stated you want the players themselves to be low powered it's only logical then to seek out people capable of even standing up to the tyrants in charge. Hope this is being logical? Then the STs are also still able to be controlling of whatever NPCs are B/A enough to help out. I'm just wondering if that sort of a storyline would even be possible - basically traveling and trying to seek out new people to help take back New Orleans with. I actually think not having a court is okay but that if players want to build it there should be a variety of options as a way to do so. Thus far, at least in my case, it's felt very enclosed and no

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:44:29 PM)
*was ready to go*

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:45:05 PM)
alright.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:45:05 PM)
Thus far, at least in my case, it's felt very enclosed and not option oriented. I mean searching out allies to retake your own city seems like a fun idea to me *shrug* It adds a political flair to the game. More or less I'm asking if this sort of option is even possible or if more brainstorming is needed.

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 9:45:10 PM)
I'll just be happy if i can get involved and not be restrained to the odd scene in rooks :) tahts all for me :)

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:45:11 PM)
sorry it got cut off

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:45:19 PM)
no worries.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:45:28 PM)
see, that's a reasonable expectation. and we're not saying no to such ideas.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:45:37 PM)
but we just want you to explore the Balkanized new orelans for a while.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:45:58 PM)
remember, the nobility terrorized the city for ages. there's room for commoners to make their stand. do you just want to drag the terror back in, or get on good footing first?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:46:13 PM)
you haven't really taken into the fact that Calvin seems able to remain independent of Roy and Dee. why is that?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:46:37 PM)
Calvin is just a troll, but for some reason those two haven't crushed him despite the fact he clearly isn't on good terms with them. something there? an ally?

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:46:38 PM)
Well that's usually up to the PC in question and their own story but yeah, I see what you mean.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:46:57 PM)
but ok, this is all just mutual blindness to other peoples' intents.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:47:11 PM)
it'snot wrong, we just all weren't as clear what we expected. now we are, and it's cool.

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:47:32 PM)
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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:47:34 PM)
so do you guys see I -do- have a vision for the story, at least? and not just tooling around in GTA-changeling city? ;)

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:48:10 PM)
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Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:48:44 PM)
Yeah, may I make a semi-related suggestion?

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 9:48:53 PM)
Dude. why did you think I set up a gun store? :P

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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:49:09 PM)
hit it, Azu.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:49:19 PM)
then I'll let Adv do a bit of talking for HIS side of the ideas and things.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:49:27 PM)
A list of costs to stay at the Lux/use it's libraries etc. So if players want to spend the night for damage or what not...they can do it and just ask for the glamour to be taken off their monthly dross thingy?

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:49:48 PM)
that way anytime someone wants to go there they dont have to wait for a ST

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:49:50 PM)
Oh sh-- I need to claim that. waaah.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:50:03 PM)
sure.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:50:15 PM)
we're going to open up a suggestions board for things that will clarify the setting for you guys.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:50:16 PM)
Okies, it was small but I think it would help, thats all from me atm.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:50:25 PM)
instead of jumping on specifics right now, we're talking vision =)

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:52:15 PM)
.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:52:30 PM)
okay, Adversarius. got anything to add for your vision for things?

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Adversarius (Mar 1, 2011 9:55:47 PM)
Currently, I'm just trying to get caught up on everything I've missed over the last couple days. As for my stuff, I wanna get the main SL moving and more accessible to everyone. Still in the process of figuring it all out, so bear with me.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:56:06 PM)
okay.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:56:22 PM)
Adv - as an apology to everyone for being gone, I broke with my low power rule slightly - everyone got a free perm glam.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:56:33 PM)
everyone sanc'd from now to friday will as well.

Abraham Rinks (Mar 1, 2011 9:56:59 PM)
sweet

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:57:17 PM)
I think it's a troll

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:57:28 PM)
yes it is

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 9:57:28 PM)
me also

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:57:37 PM)
so many trolls lately

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:57:55 PM)
hardly any for forever and now they're breeding faster than pooka - no offence salv

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 9:58:04 PM)
What're the numbers we're waiting on before more sidhe again, Alley?

Abraham Rinks (Mar 1, 2011 9:58:14 PM)
Domiknitrix thats cute lol

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:58:19 PM)
You didn't fix your thresholds.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:58:38 PM)
we may cap trolls for a bit.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 9:58:51 PM)
they're crazy

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:58:52 PM)
but they actually play into a storyline Adversarius and I have in mind. *chuckles*

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:59:12 PM)
okay folks. Mitt, Adv, do either of you have things youw ere going to run tonight?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:59:21 PM)
cause before the night is out, three of us need to have a meeting of the minds.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 9:59:26 PM)
brainstorms and murder.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 9:59:36 PM)
i don't like meeting of the minds...curse you buffett

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 10:00:25 PM)
I'm pretty happy, Azu can bring up her finding help idea to others *nod*

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 10:00:44 PM)
I wanted to make sure it was cool before pursuing anything

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 10:01:01 PM)
I have nothing to add save love your st's we bleed for you all.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 10:01:12 PM)
I luvs you guys <3

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 10:01:27 PM)
so again, before I close the meeting.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 10:01:42 PM)
Never ever feel you can't bring something up for me. I lose my temper, yes. but as you all saw tonight, I'm very easy to talk down from it as well.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:09 PM)
I'll make certain to abus...erm talk, talk to you in the future ;D

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:11 PM)
Alley

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:13 PM)
We're human. in the last few weeks I have had the immense pleasure of taking on the Belgian government and helping in a campaign to shame them into allowing a family to adopt and bring home a baby boy.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:16 PM)
is Calvin a 3 point mentor?

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:23 PM)
Awwww

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:24 PM)
....uh.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:28 PM)
aw

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:33 PM)
Adv, help me out there.

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:35 PM)
Abrahm wants him

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:37 PM)
*flails a bit*

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:51 PM)
>.>

Adversarius (Mar 1, 2011 10:02:57 PM)
3 is solid for Calvin.

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 10:03:07 PM)
Alley?

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 10:04:05 PM)
there ya go, cal is a 3 pt mentor. yes Cat?

Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 10:04:16 PM)
Check your PMs when you get unflailed :)

DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 10:04:30 PM)
anything else for me or can i go talk dirty to Adver?

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 10:04:43 PM)
*covers ears*

Adversarius (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:12 PM)
I think you're good.

Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:14 PM)
alright folks. get outta here.

Hunter Smyth (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:20 PM)
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Allegory (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:23 PM)
go rp a bit. no scenes from me tonight, I got venue rebuilding to do.

Azu Ongokos (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:25 PM)
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Catarina Brito (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:28 PM)
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DomiKNITrix (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:32 PM)
*Shoos*

Melvin Thatcher (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:38 PM)
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Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:41 PM)
Thanks for the opportunity to speak!

Nigel Ambrose (Mar 1, 2011 10:06:54 PM)
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Adversarius (Mar 1, 2011 10:09:11 PM)
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Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 10:18:35 PM)
.

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:18:46 PM)
hey?

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:19:00 PM)
Adversarius wants to know when our motley can log in for the learning thing

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:19:36 PM)
oh you wanna tell me what happened?

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:19:59 PM)
huh?

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:20:06 PM)
are you avilable thursday?

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 10:20:18 PM)
oh it is jsut us in here

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:20:54 PM)
can you and your lady make a scene thursday evening with adversarius?

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 10:21:03 PM)
what time?

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:21:11 PM)
remember next tuesday is the fire scene 9:30 pm windseeker

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 10:21:30 PM)
I will not and you know it

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:21:58 PM)
what time?

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:22:07 PM)
9 pm eastern

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 10:22:08 PM)
yes what time?

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:22:16 PM)
can you make thursday night 9 pm eastern?

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 10:22:31 PM)
yes

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:22:34 PM)
ok

Marzanna Perun (Mar 1, 2011 10:26:25 PM)
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Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 10:26:29 PM)
I jsut can not be up super late as well I always have......

Salvatore Floca (Mar 1, 2011 10:28:22 PM)
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