May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:19:52 PM)
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May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:20:12 PM)
((you gotta go?))
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:20:16 PM)
*She pulle dinto the shop and parked*
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:20:18 PM)
((not yet))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:20:38 PM)
*he watched her* say what is eatin' at ya.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:20:53 PM)
Huh? *She looked at him and she started to slip out of the truck*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:21:08 PM)
*he catches her hand and pulls her back in* you seem upset whats up
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:21:20 PM)
Everyone is just fine?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:22:12 PM)
No... but we can't stress out and boho over it....It sucks.. man it really fuckin' sucks... but... we did what we could now he will pay the price for his crimes... and we have to loo kat the netxt bigger battle
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:22:39 PM)
What price does he pay?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:22:58 PM)
The spirits will know of his crime.. it is unlikely any good pack will take him in... he wil lbe on his own
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:23:55 PM)
*She just stayed quiet she still didn't see how it would work*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:25:10 PM)
Remember when yesterday we went to the sept and I asked for my deeds to be sung.. its so I have proven myself.. the spirits know that I have done right and good... He wont have that...
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:25:31 PM)
*She just had to think about it but she was just so quiet*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:25:43 PM)
You upset?
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:26:12 PM)
A pack...is your family.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:26:47 PM)
It is... and he made the mistake of turning his back on it
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:27:58 PM)
*She nodded a little*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:28:22 PM)
*he kisses her temple and pulls her against him* do you want to leave too?
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:28:44 PM)
*She settled in when he pulled her in and shook her head*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:29:29 PM)
You upset with the pack... our family.... or Matt?
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:30:38 PM)
The breaking...
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:31:22 PM)
He broke trust a long time ago... We saw this coming... We hoped he would challange me and loss or even win and we coudl go on.. but... he had nothing in him
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:31:43 PM)
*She just sighed*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:32:23 PM)
It sucks yo..but.. Dalia... its growing pains... we took him in without ever testing him.. we were trying to keep gnawers close but he has his head in the wrong place
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:33:39 PM)
yes...but even still...it just broke easily.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:33:46 PM)
((gotta go for now))
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:33:51 PM)
((see you tomorrow))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:34:03 PM)
he was like a foster child.. he had to go on.. or a couch surfer... a free laofer
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:34:10 PM)
((see y *hugs*))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 9:34:32 PM)
ya*
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 9:34:49 PM)
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Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:16:29 PM)
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Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:17:09 PM)
*she sidesteps into the garage at some pre-arranged agreement with MCP*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:18:49 PM)
*The two bay doors to the shop was open. AN airstrream in the back in an open lot. MCP was in the bay, towards the back. Smoking eavily. He looks at her. He looks tired and just on the edge of not breaking something*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:19:27 PM)
I got your message? *she seems calm and curious having no clue what this talk will entail*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:19:57 PM)
*he smiles and ashes his cigarette* how are you?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:20:14 PM)
I'm fine....and you?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:21:04 PM)
Tired. Never met a gnawer that dumb... *he sighs* I owe you as a heads up... I guess
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:21:19 PM)
Do you? *raises a brow*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:23:09 PM)
Earlier today Matt now known as Wax-in-Ears, tratior to the 'gnawer way and the on who called you a skank, was to face judgement for his crimes instead of facing them he decided to be a cowardly cub and run with his tail between his leg, challaing my honor and glory without actually standing up and challanging me. A few moments later I saw im schmoozin' one of ya gammas
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:23:38 PM)
.....................what?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:23:47 PM)
What have I done to offend Matt?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:24:15 PM)
Offend him? *he raises an eyebrow* schmoozin' talking up.. trying to get in good with..
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:24:47 PM)
*yeah is confused* So I'm a skank for.....treating Bonegnawers like beings of actual value?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:25:00 PM)
For trying to respect him?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:25:27 PM)
No no.. Remember when we were making jokes about my salted peanuts? You said you had bit nuts, and he compared you to a skank.... I was just trying to give you a frame of refernece incase ya forgot who I meant.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:26:14 PM)
Oh....OK....yeah he didn't know where the line was. Figured he just needed to learn...so this recent stuff has nothing to do with me.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:26:58 PM)
What were his crimes exactly Peanuts?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:27:30 PM)
For the most part... well the cowardly piss ant left my pack, he seemed itnerested in petitioning yours. That was the heads up... that and he is a tratior to the 'gnawers in most of our eyes.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:28:23 PM)
In what way is he a traitor to the Gnawers? You want to give me a heads up you had best be complete with your answers Peanut.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:28:45 PM)
Especially if this may involve potential future decisions I may have to make.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:29:30 PM)
Disobeying orders of an adren, apha, beta, and others of more experience - multiple times. Irresponsabilitying. Spreading lies. Failure to complete tasks properly. Questioning things that he has been ordered to let drop. Allowing his feelings for a kin to get in th way of his jobs as a garou. Failure to listen to the most simplest thing. Slander, being dishonest, acting better than other gnawers.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:30:09 PM)
The entire gnawer comunity of those aroudn cliath and fostern *all of which were in hsi pack, or petitioning minus one in the warders pack* have no kind words for him
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:31:01 PM)
Some of the issues I cannot discuss becuase I am still under orders not to discuss... those are some of things he is spreading lies about, which in of it self violates a mute order about the topic
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:31:11 PM)
When did he disobey our orders and why? What lies has he spread? What tasks has he failed at? What was he supposed to let drop? Which kin? How did it interfere? In what incident did he act too good for the Gnawers?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:31:35 PM)
((and welcome to the frustration of dealing with an Uktena ragabash!))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:31:38 PM)
((lol))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:32:23 PM)
Let me put it this way...if hes as mouthy as you say I'll hear at least ONE version of this. What version do you prefer me to believe?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:32:28 PM)
*taps her fingers*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:33:21 PM)
((I love ragabash))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:33:51 PM)
I am goign to deal with the more personal stuff first, get it out of the way... I am dating a kin named Dalia, I asked permission from every one in my pack and the elders, I asked for certain reasons, that I cannot go in to here as it does not relate to matt. Dalia is in in danger, I will not nor cannot due to the orders, from a serious enemy.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:34:45 PM)
My stnading orders were to keep it secret what is after and why, though my beta was allowed to know, and to place my life before hers, and lastly to get my pack eyes on her. This order came from two ranking gnawers, of the sept.. and even our totem, warned us she was in danger.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:35:08 PM)
Before I go on does this make sense?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:35:51 PM)
Enough...for the moment.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:37:35 PM)
*and....she makes sure during this disscusion you sort of walk to a back office, or she did and you followed, once there she shut the door....so this is very private, and now once shes sure no eyes but yours are on her, the insufferable Uktena is sitting comforably cross legged in mid air floating and listening to you*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:39:01 PM)
I summoned the pack to pass on the order, before which I warned that I was under orders not to say from what or why, that the ki nwas in danger... While every other pack mate understoood and respected these wishes including the ragabash who had no reason to trust us yet, he begin to instigutate issues claiming that it was because I was... well I left something out I did not start dating her until /after/ this. He claimed it was because she was my mate to be, trying to institgate a fight, cause all sorts of issues, but did not have the balls to challange me even when I told the pack fi they had an issue to challange me if they had any issue with this.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:39:40 PM)
he at this incident allowed his kin, to speak disprectfully to multiple garou. Mind you even our totem said she was in danger and flat out told us he expects somethign to come after her.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:40:51 PM)
Ah that I understand. Our ways are simple. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Or at least be a clever ragabash if you go around things.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:41:24 PM)
He have any good reasons....or did he truly just believe you were having the pack protect your mate-to-be for no apparently good reason?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:42:14 PM)
No good reasons and the fact that I would not tell him why she needed protection - despite two higher ranking garou and a totem warning us - Yeah he wasn't being clever about it... in the least. Anyway I ddevided the pack up and gave them areas to watch over so they could learn the areas, hear of problems and watch over her in those areas.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:43:04 PM)
*she listens*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:43:55 PM)
I told him in the land outside the sept and in the boyous.. he sets up in a a tree /in/ the sept. I instead did not care enough, because I was goign to watch ov her mot of the time. Now about two days after the order was issued me and my beta left two kin, asked a spirit, and two otehr garou here *he points to the shop they are in, well outside the office* One here and one in the umbra.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:44:49 PM)
*tries to follow*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:46:01 PM)
Me and her went to sept to meet with folks and relax a bit from having been on so many missions and the stress of hat was happening... Matt comes out and basically implies we are neglectign our patrols... then he flat out says is. Even after being told two garou, two kin are watching over her... His response? "So MCP ya think kin can guard her as well as you?" my response "two garou and a two kin, probably." then he flat out said more shit.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:46:09 PM)
about how I was neglecting my duties.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:47:17 PM)
......Whats his deal? If he wants Alpha he should challenge you. If he doesn't believe you why doesn't he go ask your tribal elders? There are ways to confirm all you say without being a public dumbass.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:47:51 PM)
But I suppose thats your entire point in causioning me about this one?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:48:08 PM)
exactly... *he shakes his head* That's that.. There is more.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:49:06 PM)
*she nods listening...her expression at best thoughful...though shes still sitting in mid air...how annoying gravity seems optional for some people*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:49:16 PM)
((I know I'm immature but I looove that gift))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:49:29 PM)
((its fine.. MCP is budsiness midn right now))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:52:27 PM)
The night I brought Dalia to the truthcatcher, our tribal elder, and receive my orders as to what to do to protect her, we hung back and talked. We joined TNS-rhya, the truthcatcher, Lenore and Matt talking, asking for permision to get married. TNS tells him they have to get approval from their alpha, at which point I say "oh thats me." then I say "Yes, if you can prove you are responsible enough." and then I talked about /one/ responsabiltiie of his, not letting his kin get in the way of pack business... later that night when I am issuing that order I mentioned, he lets just that happen.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:53:12 PM)
They never came to me to ask permission. They got married two days ago... legally married.. which means they had to have been planning for a while. ya know social security cards, ids, witnesses, papers, all that stuff.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 10:53:35 PM)
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May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:53:46 PM)
((Dalia we comondeered your office))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:53:50 PM)
It is....strange that the sept has Alpha's involved.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 10:53:55 PM)
((lol thats cool i'm slow slow))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:54:15 PM)
((naw might be more amusing if she opens the door!....nothing kinky I swear))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:54:23 PM)
((PULL YOUR PANTS UP!))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:55:16 PM)
But .....perhaps they realized you were having...tensions.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 10:55:25 PM)
*She had actually gone inside for a while and she had left the RV heading to the shop still quiet an dheaded to the office to maybe do some papers*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:55:35 PM)
Gnawers do things differnetly.. But he never came to me, he disrespected the truthcatcher and me by goign out gettin' married like that. Which in and of it self shows his lack of responsability. I informed the truthcatcher of this
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 10:55:39 PM)
((:P))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:56:55 PM)
Gnawer tribal traditions are not my concern. If you elder wishes your pack Alphas to have some say in such matters that is your business. OK I get you...on some tribal level he defied an elders edicts and defied you and got hitched anyway so now hes going to have to pay the piper. And hes coming sniffing around my packmates hoping he might convince Owl's children of all things to take in a wayward Gnawer.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:57:45 PM)
This is definately a valuable heads up.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:58:29 PM)
If I want to be nice and politically cute....I can say he needs to clear his matters with the truthcatcher and his mating status before I can consider him. *chuckles* Thats bound to get his boxers in a bunch.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:58:39 PM)
((I figure Dalia can overhear what she likes of this))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:59:09 PM)
*they had the office door closed. He was agianst the far wall. He looks up at Sarah.* It was decided after a long covnersation what his punishment was. In truth I think the elders wnatedh im to challange me so I could hand him his ass again - but we decided to name him pack omega, redeed him wax in ears, and forbid him from producing off spring until he had made fostern and had my approval
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 10:59:31 PM)
*She actualyl was still distracted. She tested the door not expecing them in there to a point and she would step ing*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 10:59:45 PM)
(it's not locked)
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 10:59:57 PM)
Fronstbrand-rhya was dox watching over *he pauses as the door opens*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:00:20 PM)
Tristan is fair. He always was....he was wasted up North.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:01:24 PM)
*She paused a moment looking at the two of them and she started to back out again to close the door and let them continue to use the office*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:01:37 PM)
Dalia, pelase come in I wnat you to meet one of my good friends.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:01:55 PM)
*She paused a moment and nodded and she stepped in again and closed the door in her wake*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:03:18 PM)
*She sees Sarah, floating about three feet in the air sitting Indian style in a relaxed manner listening to MCP...yes floating*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:04:27 PM)
I don't suppose you could tell me what she needs protection from. Maybe I could help. Hello. *she says to Dalia...and shes still foating and sitting in mid air*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:04:41 PM)
Dalia, this is the garou who saved my life, and someone who I am honored to say is one of my closest and dearest friends, Talisman-seeker-rhya.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:05:09 PM)
*she settles back on the chair*
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:05:13 PM)
*She paused a moment at the floating and she headed to MCP and leaned on him gently. She offered a soft smile at Sarah and a polite nod*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:05:50 PM)
okay that response was anticlamtic.. *he laughs* Sarah, I can ask the elders if they are okay with soemeone knowing...
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:06:00 PM)
*She blushed a little*I..am sorry..
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:06:19 PM)
*he laughs* it's alright.. I'm teasin'
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:06:40 PM)
Publically calling me Sarah is quite alright. Formality is overrated unless it's a moot. Fostern Uktena of the Uktena. Alpha of Shades of Grey under Owl. With an agreement we don't sacrifice little rats to our totem just for MCP here. *smirks*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:07:09 PM)
Lately it's been chipmunks.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:07:19 PM)
squirrell taste good... try sacrificing those
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:07:34 PM)
*She nodded*...cat...
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:08:54 PM)
Owls don't like cats.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:09:02 PM)
Besides cats have wonderful personalities.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:09:12 PM)
Well..spirit wise anyway.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:09:41 PM)
Now as for Tristan, he is a good man. He talked me out of being harsher.. Anyway.. We called him here. I asked him a simple question, what he thought the words "yes, if" meant.. for 20 minutes he argued with me over asking. It got to the point where tristan told him to nut up or shut up... or as he said challange me over the right to ask me why I am asking or answer. Coward, he is, did not challange.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:09:46 PM)
*She looked at May again and settled on him more but she was quiet*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:10:43 PM)
*begins floating and sitting again....*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:12:15 PM)
Durng the ntire thing he kept calling me honorless, and lying, over matters, despite witnesses to the contary, including my beta and Dalia here... Instead of being a real garou and challanging me.. when we gave him his challange he was told he could accept or challanger... rather he turned tale and scorned the bone gnawers, his pack and totem
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:12:16 PM)
Oh he better have many good answers if he wants shelter in my pack. *looks at MCP* And I mean he better be more persausive than a Shadowlord with his nuts in a vice. I'm always open minded but.....*grins evily* Lets just say I value your version over whatever drivel he may give me. I also may speak to Tristan on this. Best to be WELL educated ya?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:13:06 PM)
*she turns upside down in mid-air....shes smiling evily*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:13:38 PM)
I agree. Tristan can attest to the events of today, and to my earlier conversations with him. I can tell you no gnawer that I know will come to his aide.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:13:43 PM)
Don't be concerned for me Dalia, I'm more ragabash than most ragabashes once I get going.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:13:55 PM)
((his being Matts))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:14:07 PM)
I've had to curb it some sense I got fostern, had to be respectable. But this....this may be entertainment handed to me on a silver platter.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:14:13 PM)
((pause))
Zahtsk. (Jul 9, 2010 11:14:23 PM)
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Zahtsk. (Jul 9, 2010 11:14:31 PM)
((For logs I came in to kick a player....))
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:14:36 PM)
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Zahtsk. (Jul 9, 2010 11:14:40 PM)
((gone))
Zahtsk. (Jul 9, 2010 11:14:42 PM)
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Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:14:48 PM)
(we is plotting))
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:14:57 PM)
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May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:15:08 PM)
((last post you saw?))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:15:12 PM)
((how long you been ghosting?))
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:15:17 PM)
((since I leaned on may))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:15:31 PM)
((christ))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:15:32 PM)
((crap))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:15:43 PM)
((wait))
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:15:44 PM)
((jsut say she zoned out))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:15:46 PM)
((i can screne it))
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:15:48 PM)
k
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:18:10 PM)
((got it))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:18:18 PM)
((good to go)
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:18:42 PM)
*She just nodded a little bit but she stayed on May still oddly quiet*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:19:23 PM)
*returns to upside up* Thank you for the information. So hes at this point forsaken your pack?
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:20:02 PM)
*she frowned but she stayed quiet*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:21:47 PM)
That and most of the tribe in the city.. .as only two gnawers in the city, 'sides him run with me, or are petitioning to. The second heads up to this... *he looks down* is with the no gnawer willing to help him.. if he joins ya... I cannot in good conscience order them to help him... but *he looks up* I say this to you not as alpha to alpha, but to someone I consider a friend, if you need help you /will/ get it.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:22:37 PM)
*She shifted taking May's hand kinda playing with his palm lightly kneading it as they spoke*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:24:43 PM)
*he squeezed Dalia's hand*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:25:23 PM)
So your saying if I take this individual....that it may well alienate your tribe but I can count on you individually. *nods* At least you know I make my own decisions politics be damned usually....your wise in that respect.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:26:41 PM)
*chuckles*
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:27:04 PM)
*She glanced to Sarah a moment and finally spoke*If..you ever need anything...I have ways of getting things that...you migh tnot normalyl be able to get....it's...the least I can do..
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:27:19 PM)
*he nods*I am also telling you if you take him it may well alienate the 'gnawers, but I know those who are currently running with me will follow me, so if I go to your aide... I know WD-yuff will.. I know others will.. but we will be there for you, Emilie, and Neth.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:27:55 PM)
Horus is mine as well.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:28:17 PM)
*he smiles hearing dalia speak up* Horus is good... I did not know that. I have had lead him into combat before.. He is a good garou.. Young but good...
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:29:19 PM)
*She got quiet again and sort of focused on his hand*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:29:55 PM)
*his hand squeezed Dalia's again, warmly, as if his way of saying he was proud of her.*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:30:00 PM)
I take it you mean black market contacts? *looks at Dalia*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:30:14 PM)
*coughs and tries to hide the smile forming on his lips*
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:30:24 PM)
Gypsy....
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:30:33 PM)
*chuckles* Close but not...got it.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:30:51 PM)
Easier...to move..things..
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:30:53 PM)
((actuallyu odly mCP does have black market contacts))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:31:27 PM)
I'm interested in there....deeper traditions actually.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:31:47 PM)
Call it religion and culture.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:31:49 PM)
*She glanced at Sarah*our...traditions?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:31:54 PM)
*he smiles a the turn of ievents*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:33:07 PM)
In city I study Voudan at the monent...Voodoo if you prefer. I'd be equally interested in Roma beliefs and ritual...but they are usually...hummm how shall we put it? Rather closed mouthed to outsiders?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:33:09 PM)
*grins*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:33:38 PM)
*and she even knows to call Gypies by there true name LoL*
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:33:55 PM)
Gaje....and we dont teach the language to outsiders either...Our beliefs are old...May though...has been learning them so that he can help keep my position as my guardian.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:35:15 PM)
*he looks at Dalia, wincing at the word she used.* umm Dalia... for a woman who saved my life... and for an uktena who are known for their wisdom and ability to keep information safe... could you help her learn?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:35:29 PM)
She has a right to say no.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:35:44 PM)
I can always keep her in mind for more earthly concerns.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:35:56 PM)
*he nods* I forgot uktena were like that.. they respect secrets and keep them well.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:36:11 PM)
*She rubbed his hand a little*I...can teach....some of the tradition....though not the history....and for you I dont mind as you can tell hre what you know too.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:36:28 PM)
To some extent.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:36:35 PM)
*he whispers* I may have taught he some odf the history before..
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:37:23 PM)
Its...alright...*She glanced at Sarah*What..did you want to know?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:37:34 PM)
What you are willing to teach?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:37:52 PM)
before you came to the city... I told her about how we use to hide our seers cards. *he whispered to dalia, but he knew Sarah could hear and wondered if Sarah remembered what he was referencing*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:37:58 PM)
What I know is from a National Geographic artitcal....where it mostly spoke of how they stole his camera six times.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:38:07 PM)
*he laughs*
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:38:11 PM)
Well...let's..test and see..*She looked at May*Let's...start..with what...May knows.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:38:21 PM)
Pie!
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:38:23 PM)
I know pie!
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:39:09 PM)
May...has..been learning about the proper way to treat...a woman...and what is considered pure and not.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:39:30 PM)
That would be interesting.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:39:32 PM)
apparently sticking your head up der skirts to see if the chicken is done ain't proper...
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:39:53 PM)
If you stuck your head up my skirt I'd probably knife you Peanuts.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:39:59 PM)
*She poked may*I..am..curious...as to..what you know...and learned..
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:40:42 PM)
If I stuck my head up your skirt sarah, I'd expectt you to knfife me with silver...in the throat *looks at Dalia* okay.. Am I suppose to answer questions or just ramble?
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:41:22 PM)
Tell...her what you have learned of....courting and the ceremony if courting succeeds.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:41:42 PM)
*She would move and sit down leaning against his legs*
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:42:06 PM)
Precious little....except that outsiders are considered fair game. That the true name for your people is the Rom, I know that your people follow a variety of religions but it's usually more a surface conformation for the local culture. One expects the fortune telling, and the cons. Most of it's true, though whether it was survival due to oppression or habit depends on the source.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:42:43 PM)
You tend to believe in arranged marriages.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:42:54 PM)
See....drivel really.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:43:54 PM)
Some....more modern beliefs give a chance at courting..my mother broke away from the main family for the forced marriage...
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:44:24 PM)
Well... words have intent. *he looks down at her* for example it would be proper of me to call her beautiful and pay her a respectful like dat, and sense I know her and have made my intent clear it is acceptable. However, someone like ducky, say stuff like that is disrespectful as in he has not made his intent known and thus insulting her honor as a person and as woman. In general, your intent must be true if you wish to respect da person. To ask for her hand in marraige I must not ask her only but seek out her parents, get their permission, and complete a challange from them. I must also complete a challange from her. This is to test my intent and purity and ability to protect her.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:45:16 PM)
Well thats one way to keep the young men in line. *smiles*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:46:34 PM)
*laughs then shakes his head before going on* She in turn has elected by family tradition to remain sexually pure and keep her cherry and all dat intact. *he shrugs.* It is for her a matter of honor that her husband be the only one talk to her and touch her like that. I mean I dun fully think that it would change much for how I feel.. but for her it matters so I guess it matters to me, ya know? ITs a sign of her ability to be trust worthy and her purity of intent, just like my challanges. The marriage is not sealed until the couple has sex.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:47:41 PM)
Women...can be seen as impure if they have had sex before marriage and can be cast out fromt eh family for being 'tainted' *she said the word carefully. *intentions must be honor bound between the family members and nothing but the family matters. We hold some of the older traditions....outsiders...must try harder to gain family trust..but May has done much....and is trusted.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:48:48 PM)
Are there other ways to become tainted?
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:49:00 PM)
Can a male become tainted?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:49:02 PM)
turn your back on family...
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:49:52 PM)
Famly normally doesn't seperate until marriage upon a time both families will get the new couple what they need....Either the couple will stay with the man's family until they have what they need or they will move to a new kumpania. Often we trade the young men at gatherings of kumpania to renew blood. The worst sin is to turn away from your blood and to disrepect a pure woman by forcibly ruining the purity. Murder...rape theft from other family...
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:51:27 PM)
I've run into other cultures that are similiar actually.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:52:17 PM)
Men's actions towards his family. Not holding to thier duties the oldest is to carry on the family. The youngest is to maintain the parents in old age. Men are to normally not as easy to taint but should they seek another man's poesssions then yes...Verbal language is to be watched and anything sexual towards a woman is something that can cause a male to be looked at as tainted.
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:52:26 PM)
How did I do on my test?
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:52:35 PM)
*She looked at May and gave a weak smile and nodded*
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:52:48 PM)
I could do better?
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:53:05 PM)
We do have cleansing rituals.....and punishment rituals...
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:53:31 PM)
*She rubbed her legs a little*You listened really well..
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:54:32 PM)
*he smiles* SEE! I told you sarah, there is more than a bullet in my head.. I got .. a red and pink squishy thing too!
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:54:40 PM)
Uktena draw there kin and blood from many cultures. Mostly minorities. Our oldest purest bloodlines are Native American but you are just as likely to find our lines drawn from the minorities of the world. The black ancestory peoples, Haitans around here for example, some from Asian stock, some in Australia of the Mouri, .........no whites. Our eldest have remaining misgivings about the past. But many many others.
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:55:26 PM)
From...what I know..most of my family...is bone gnawer but...*She glanced at May*They have more old beliefs.
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:55:43 PM)
Would you be willing to speak of these rites?
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:56:01 PM)
I am interesstedi n larning too
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:56:13 PM)
((Dalia has become Sarah's new shiney!))
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:56:23 PM)
((lol))
Sarah Runningfox (Jul 9, 2010 11:56:26 PM)
((Just as the death spirit pocessed chick in the park is a new shiney))
May Contain Peanuts (Jul 9, 2010 11:56:44 PM)
((I love playing that npc))
Dalia Tolviani (Jul 9, 2010 11:56:55 PM)
*She rubbed her arm a little*I...can...eventually there will be one that most are not...able to see...