Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 3:57:17 PM)
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Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 3:57:24 PM)
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Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 3:58:24 PM)
Okay you have the floor

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:02:29 PM)
First thanks for taking the time to talk with me. Its sometimes difficult as a player to take a step back and admit faults, I am by no means perfect or fault free. I know that we have had our issues in the past and I -was- pretty vocal against some of the things you have done. I also know that my friendship with Geoff (tpo Bastian) paints me in the same light when he just can't keep his mouth shut. I tell him time and again to just shut up sometimes and that when he goes off it automatically points a finger at me even if I have nothing to do with it. That being said. I think you have a very creative imagination and that your Stories are definately entertaining. I honestly have enjoying the Storyline and history that you have introduced in the game for Mark i will most asuredly use it in my BB's to flesh out his history.

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:02:33 PM)
BUT

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:04:35 PM)
With that being said and this is not an attack it's simply a concern. I think you are trying very hard. It's not an easy job.. and I understand that more now then I might have before. Even more so now for you being HST you have so many things to try and fix. I raised an issue when Scratchy did his challenge ect and it would be hypocritical of myself if I didn't raise it now with my very own Challenge. I LOVED the story I really did, but I am trying desperately to see where the Challenge was.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:06:30 PM)
Let me know when you are done so I can respond to these things for you.

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:07:02 PM)
I am done currently that you are free to respond.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:11:41 PM)
I admitt I have flaws, though I tend to find them in different places then others might observe said flaws being. That being said I would first like to adress your concearns about your agknowledged (sp?) above friendship. I may have confused you both in the past, but I learned a serious difference between you and your above mentioned friend. You had given me a chance, you joined in every scene you could make and even went so far as to seek out more of the scenes and do follow ups of things that "other players" dropped the ball on. I have friends that can be vocal, and can be seen as well not very well liked by a large portion of the gaming comunity. I some times ask them to shut there trap, but I am also not there keeper and so what they say may reflect a poor light on me, but it is nothing I can do personaly to keep people from thinking what they are thinking.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:13:15 PM)
if you have anything to add to that please do and then perhaps we can move on to the next part of your statement I would like to adress.. (I do like order in a conversation like this..)

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:16:37 PM)
I know it might appear that I have something against you and personally I don't. I think that we probably have gotten on the wrong foot with each other. I have since SD issued me my warning taken a step back and looked at my interactions with you and the other members of the team. I can be critical don't get me wrong but I don't ever just sit and air that laundry. I have always taken it to a private forum and spoke there. I don't think places like RPG soapbox do anyone any good and generally they are just there for people who would rather complain then to do something about it. I have made it a point to get involved in your scenes because I wanted to see if maybe my initial interactions with you were just bad days... for both of us.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:24:19 PM)
Understandable, also to note which may come as quite a suprise to you, the "warning" you recived from SD was not a complaint I made, in fact I had never voiced a complaint about you in any sort of professional format given to any admin or st on the chat. But as I was seen as the one under attack by you and your above mentioned friend of cource people drew the conculsion that it must have been me to make that complaint. Being a st I could not point out the party who did make that insial complaint that granted you your official warning so I just "took one for the team" instead of shifting the blame to the person whom had done it to save myself grief in future interactions with you. I did bring it up later on concearning another matter, but a large part of my concearn at that part was a miscommunication between you and the above mentioned friend which i was assured was not the same voice on the box afterwards.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:26:38 PM)
You can respond to that if you wish or we can move on to your other concearns you have mentioned above.

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:27:41 PM)
Well however the Warning was issued I decided to take a step back and not make any waves. It wasn't that I was planning something as I was told was suspected. It was that I took it to heart and did what I was told to do in it :)

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:28:45 PM)
You ready to move onto the next part of this now that we got that out of the way?

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:28:54 PM)
*nods*

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:29:18 PM)
Okay next part I would like to touch on is scratchys rank challenge.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:35:09 PM)
I had recently ran a rank challenge for lukas for fostern modi, and then scratchy came into my lap with the modi fostern challenge both choose to go to the heart of the sea sept as that place has the rite of war and is a tribal area iu built for more tribal missions and setting for those whom wanted it. Lukas had to track down a wyrm creature that was plaguing the woods outside the bawn and he had to subdue the wyrm minion (not kill it which can be pretty hard) then he had to sacrafice it to sea drake to pass that part of his challenge before he would be allowed to partisipate in the rite of war. Durring the challenge itself lukas heard the whimpering of wolf cubs and found a mother wolf stuck in a dug out trappers pit, the cubs at the top still whimpering for there mother wolf, this was not part of his challenge but he deviated from his challenge to follow the sounds then aided the mother wolf getting her free from the trap and back to her cubs.. before continuing on his challenge, durring the rite of war i

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:36:05 PM)
used his own stats against him with the npc i used, he had allowed another st to npc the other combatant in the rite of war, both the combatants used silver knives against him.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:39:11 PM)
Scratchy went to the same place for his challenge he was to bring a fomori with stange powers that was plaguing the towns folks at the near by fishing village where most of the kinfolk of the tirbe live. scratchy while at the pub ovber heard a bunch of jack asses talking about going to pummle the local sherrif, he like lukas abandoned his current goal to save the innocent human and he fought several of them one with a gun to save the life of the sherrif whom he found out later was one of the fenris kinfolk of the sept.. he then continued his task and brought the wyrm tainted fomori as a offering to sea drake just like lukas did, upon scratchys rite of war i used his stats against him both combatants also armed with the silver knives

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:39:39 PM)
scratchy recived less honor then lukas cause he saved a human and lukas saved a wolf

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:40:13 PM)
scratchy recived more glory because he was able to complete the rite of war do to his horridble melee dice used against himself in the rite

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:41:42 PM)
so when i found out that my intergrity came into question due to making a challenge to easy for scratchy (whom i did not know from adam, still only know him as a player and never met him prior to this chat) I was a bit set back and told the admins to check the logs and explained how both challenges mirrored each other in most ways just so i was being fair to both players.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:44:42 PM)
Of cource the rite of war dice would look different lukas had more melee then scratchy did i used the players sheets against them in that part of the challenge.. But a player watching the dr and having no idea what I was doing might think i was being unfair, jump to conclusions. The admins pulled the logs of cource, they also checked the sheets and found I showed utterly fair treatment to both players, and so the complaints of any type of favortisum was unfounded.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:45:41 PM)
If you have anything to say about the above concearn we can stop so i can adress it, or we can move foward to the next part.

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:49:10 PM)
I think part of this is due to a misconception. Challenges are suppose to be Public, meaning the terms and the outcome... Garou talk about them.. Galliards share stories about so and so's challenge. The fact that Lukas and Scratchy's challenges included were they choose to Aid a helpless human/wolf/kinfolk would be spoken of even more so... to this day I don't think ANYONE but Scratchy knew what his actual challenge was. That gave it this Air of being inapproperiate. Challenges are not something Garou would keep quiet.. unless it was a pair who couldn't stand each other and decided to head off into the woods and fight to the death.. well then they would keep their mouth shut. People watch these things, they see a room called Rank Challenge and they go.. oh hey who's challenging.. they looked at people who are in the room and they oh man this should be interesting and they open the DR.. only to find Rolls for over a day old still visible (which was suprising) and nothing at all from the player in the roo

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:51:27 PM)
room but they go hey maybe it's just starting... next day they see same people in room called Rite of War which means the Challenge was done, and go hey okay open the dr and there's a few rolls from teh day before still on there and several from the party in the scene and they look skimpy honestly if that's what Scratchy looked like then it's a suprise he lived *joking*.... But I wasn't bringing this up to dispute his challenge. I raised the question then and was told it was done approperiately and I accepted that.

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:52:00 PM)
I was saying that since I did bring it up back then in question to was it really a challenge... I would be a hypocrite if I didn't do the same for my self.

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:53:12 PM)
Or more so.. if I didn't bring it up it would look bad on me especially if someone else did.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:53:20 PM)
I do not know why the rolls where over a day old, but the time stamps screw up alot other wise I have no answer to that. But yes they should be more public, though it comes down to those players telling the story or getting a galliard to tell the story or some one hearing it from a spirit, What it comes down to on that aspect is, either the st needs to tell ever tale in the forums of rank challenges. (which as a st you know at this point we have a full plate as it is, I have brought things up ic about it but i ran the story line for them some stuff needs to be done by the players it is the galliards jobs to pass this stuff on. )

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:53:41 PM)
Okay now we are getting ahead of ourselves into your challenge so are you ready for me to adress that challenge at this point?

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:54:44 PM)
I do understand that as a ST it's just not feasible to post every single Challenge or thing that is done in the game... and unfortunately we are severly lacking on Galliards

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:55:35 PM)
(as for the scratchy being skimpy YES cause he had 0 melee at that point all his dice was in brawl and fire arms it was SKIMPY as all hell)

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:55:57 PM)
(lol Mark got off easy then not having to face copies of himself.

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:56:24 PM)
As my concentration was in melee

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:56:32 PM)
(yes Mark would have been in poor shape if you got that challenge from me your ass would have been handed to you much the same way lukas got his ass handed to him)

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:56:48 PM)
You ran my Rite of war

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:56:55 PM)
you picked wilhelm

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:56:57 PM)
remember?

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:56:59 PM)
I totally got screwed by Wilhelm on that

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:57:02 PM)
yup

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:57:13 PM)
I would have soooo whoppped his ass too LOL

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:57:26 PM)
poor Sarah... she didn't even get to blink before she was down

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:57:31 PM)
indeed so lets get onto your adren challenge if you are ready to hit this up

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:57:36 PM)
i know lol

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:57:38 PM)
Yeah that's cool

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:57:44 PM)
sarah says to this day

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:58:31 PM)
"He attacked me first cause he knows im a fenris and there for a true warrior, he wanted to get rid of the real competition before dealing with the less then competiant lord"

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 4:58:57 PM)
HAHA she's pretty much right on the money

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 4:59:24 PM)
lol okay so now im gonna get into marks adren challenge and explain the break down to you

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:10:00 PM)
Now first thing I will mention was I had planned on some battle in the fenris home land, due to my sickness in which i thought i was going to die as i sat in front of my computer I bypassed the combat part of that scene. I do appologise for that, and perhaps it would have been best to just reschedual it. But it is hard enough getting people on all at the same time, and this mission had alot to do with your pcs rank challenge and it would have been unfair to the other players and yourself if i put it off for to long. I did try repeadily to appologise for the lack of the scene every other umbral mission had combat and some had multiple combat scenes but I was incapable of delivering the combat that time.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:10:38 PM)
That said

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:11:11 PM)
The challenge I gave you was well thought out and had a great many things involved in it, some of which I would like to shed light on incase you where unaware of what it was I was doing.

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 5:11:58 PM)
From what I have heard from Dastai you were pretty much on your death bed... I know what its like to be that sick and I don't blame you one bit for what happened during that first scene...

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:16:58 PM)
You have been the rising star in these fenris missions because like I mentioned previously many other fenris players dropped the ball when you picked it up and ran off with it. The first mission you found out about a ansestor you never knew existed you where the only one whom asked for more information besides tpo of sarah. I gave you each the information and you wanted to invest xp to work on your link to your ansestors, you and i had a discussion on how you might be able to converse in a more verbal fashion and gain a stronger bond with that particular ansestor and I told you I would work it into the story line along the way. Which I did cause you got to meet that ansestor when you went to the fenris home land.. (in the legendary realm you heard a story about him, but in the homeland you actually got to meet him, he the first to enter vahalah he the first to obtain a dagger of retribution. (which is why your dagger does not look like a ugly iorn dagger like the others which have come after it. Because it wa

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:19:48 PM)
was the first of its kind, it is in the story of your ansestor, it speaks of it as a sword, but it was the dagger that was used to reek vengence on those whom stole the lives of your ansestors parents. The dagger in the story was empowered by the vengence of fenris and was used to fight those whom stole the lives of your ansestors parents. The story was lost ages past the fetish lost to your line, the renown and the deeds involved in this where no small task. .3 glory traveling to a umbra realm and surviving .3 wisdom succesfully complteing a spirit quest in the umbra .2 wisdom discovering a fetish .3 wisdom discovering acient garou lore .2 honor keeping ones promises

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:24:26 PM)
now as you challenged a skald, whom mark knows seeks out the hidden lore of the tribe, seeks out the lost gifts and weapons to strengthen the tribe for the comming jotun mark wound up with a some what skald type rank challenge. Since Jack Came here he has been trying to guide you all into great leaders, the kind you need to be in order to guide the tribe in the correct direction in the future, he has shared tales he has taught you how to manuver on moon bridges, he has taught you rituals to pass on to others of the tribe that are tribe specific you have added alot of these lessons to your sheets over the months with out much thought of that yes even a elder modi needs to know how to find his way through the umbra even a modi should know the rite of challenge the rite of war even a modi needs to know where he came from and to honor those whom came before him.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:27:17 PM)
You have learned about vengence spirits of fenris in fact you all have learned a great deal about fenris spirits in general "fire drake likes gold as chimmerage, sea drake prefers live bound enemies handed to it, fumbul wolves are pissed off and rather deal with ahourns who seek to slay enemies then godi whom might be to soft hearted. I tried to teach these lessons in a ic enviorment so that they leave a more lasting impression then just a dot on the chr sheet.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:29:46 PM)
Lets face it NO SANE garou would ever question marks ability to fight, his glory is not in question, but mark is much more then a set of claws in the battles ahead, and completing a spirit quest, discovering a lost fetish, discovering ancient garou lore and keeping his promises to his ansestor in finding that blade is no challenge worthy of fostern I would think it is very worthy of adren rank even for a Modi.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:31:35 PM)
You now have the floor to respond to the above mentioned.

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 5:32:37 PM)
Gabby I am by no means saying that the stories have not been entertaining, well thought out and with a large overall goal in mind. As for my Challenge... Yes I did challenge a Skald and I should have known it was going to lead me to places other then fighting the biggest baddest thing around.. that's a fault on my end. I knew Jack's penchance for Lores and lost treasures and all those things so I probably should have anticipated that. I appreciate you clearing it up for me, because when it comes out IC... I (the Player) now have a better understanding and an acceptable reasoning that I can get behind for anyone who would Challenge the validity of Mark being named Adren.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:36:32 PM)
*nods* Book States when challenging other auspices you can wind up with challenges that are more bent to that auspice because each auspice finds importance in different things. Mark might set a challenge for a ragabash to be more combative cause mark feels even a rotagar needs to know how to fight for fenris sake.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:37:10 PM)
So was there anything else you wanted to speak of on this matter?

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 5:37:15 PM)
I guess memories of one of my very old characters Adren challenge corrupted my beliefs on Adren Challenges... granted I think that ST was trying to kill the Character, he sent him to fight I don't remember the name of them, but it was a Massive Crab creatures... I don't have any of the books that list these kinds of things... anyway I had to fight it alone and kill it to get Adren.. it wasa damn tough fight, I used all my rage and then some.. I damn near died but managed to kill it and crawl my ass home (was at 6agg afterwards and that was after raging up) spent the next week IC healing those wounds and had a nice battlescar out of it... That probably has colored my opinion of acceptable challenges. LOL

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 5:38:24 PM)
I apprecaite you taking the time to talk with me on this stuff Gabby.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:38:38 PM)
Well stupid crab would not have worked against mark, ive pitted you guys up against things with over 75 health levels and my stupid enemies never stand a dayum chance against you guys.. So marks glory certainly is not in question

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 5:39:10 PM)
haha Sometimes it's the little things that kill us... LOL

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:39:19 PM)
no problem, any time you need to talk ya hit me up. I normaly respond quickly to fpms

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 5:39:32 PM)
I whipped Grendals ass but got my butt kicked by a cockroach

Mark Renner (May 11, 2011 5:40:52 PM)
Alright well I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day... and I hope that this helps mend things between the two of us a little atleast.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:42:33 PM)
yes it most certainly helps I hope I cleared up some issues for you, and I appologise for getting your posts mixed up with your friends posts, admitt that was a mistake on my part.

Gabby Girl (May 11, 2011 5:42:36 PM)
Play on player

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