Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:38:19 AM)
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PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:38:24 AM)
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PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:38:34 AM)
ty

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:38:42 AM)
np

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:41:11 AM)
I do not like you starting out with obten 3

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:42:03 AM)
Courage 5 not gonna happen either

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:44:50 AM)
courage is fine to change, need to nudge one of the other two, but humanity much higher wont work. As for obten 3, he is a 98 year old, vampire, most of it spent as a ghoul but 20 years as a vampire, and its kinda an integral part of the history when he jumps out of a 20 story window.... its within creation guidelines

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:46:58 AM)
I can understand the humanity not going any higher....98 or not he is still a neonate...no way am I gonna sanction you with obten 3...creation guidelines I get but this is also an anti lassie which is also a speical vamp charcter with only 2 slots...Im still not going to sanction you with obten 3 Im sorry...

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:47:56 AM)
id like to dispute that, why hamper a begining character any more than another... he is far more restricted in his disciplines use especially since he is posing as a ventrue

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:49:07 AM)
i mean he already has major hinderances via the required flaws, and the extra flaw taken

Reuel (Nov 15, 2011 12:50:12 AM)
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Reuel (Nov 15, 2011 12:50:27 AM)
Evening folks

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:50:35 AM)
evening

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:50:49 AM)
I understand that but he should not start off with obten 3 but the flaws that you are taking are also giving you extra pts to spend as well...

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:50:52 AM)
Sup

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:52:45 AM)
he certainly should be able to start with the same level of disciplines everyone else does, like tremere with thaum, and ravnos with chimerstry, and gangrel with protean, if you intended to hinder the pc's more you should have mentioned it before

Reuel (Nov 15, 2011 12:53:07 AM)
Not having Obten 3 is hardly a hinderance

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:53:32 AM)
Not having obten 3 is far from a hinderance...

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:53:38 AM)
well allowing it isnt really detrimental to the game... and not having it would require a rewrite in the posted history

Reuel (Nov 15, 2011 12:54:36 AM)
one sec - phone

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:55:04 AM)
i mean really why disallow something well within creation rules, easily covered by a characters history?

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:55:11 AM)
I do not see the need to rewrite his history simply becasue you can not have obten 3

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:55:20 AM)
did you read all of it PC

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:55:27 AM)
Yeah i did

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 12:55:34 AM)
long freaking BG...heh

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:55:38 AM)
there is a section in there where obten 3 is used by him

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 12:56:16 AM)
yea, a long bg, which provides ample reasoning for something other characters wouldnt need to cover in their bg to get

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:05:06 AM)
one, if you were planning to limit the clan further, it should have been listed with the specific rules for the creation.... two, it is within site creation guidelines... three its covered by a very long and fairly in depth history.... four its not really much of a benefit ic given his intent to pretend to be a ventrue but it is something i used specifically in his escape from the sabbat and rather integral to the written story

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:11:34 AM)
I think I might let Pixie handle this one casue im saying no to obten 3 sorry hun but iam....isnt the use of obten 3 for Kadar in the last paragraph of the BG?

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:13:58 AM)
already talked to her about this, but fine, if you want to leave it up to her i suppose we can do that.... this is about the silliest thing ive heard though such a complaint about something well covered in a history thats not even a 4 or higher

Hades (Nov 15, 2011 1:14:40 AM)
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Hades (Nov 15, 2011 1:15:20 AM)
*Sneaks in and lounges*

Hades (Nov 15, 2011 1:18:13 AM)
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Reuel (Nov 15, 2011 1:19:44 AM)
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Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:22:14 AM)
alrighty, fine then, but really, there are so many more reasons for, vs your one reason against... Dropping it to 2 is a hinderance because it does require a rewrite in his history, whether you believe it or not, because he isnt going to regress from the use of it into forgetting how

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:23:47 AM)
its a small rewrite in the history nothing more and dropping it to a two is not that big of a hinderance at all look at it as soemthing to work for IC wont be easy no but can work towards it yes....

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:24:18 AM)
in your opinion, its small, but its not as small as you believe

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:25:06 AM)
ive shown multiple reasons for it to be allowed, it is allowed in the creation rules, and i have more than met the requirements for allowing it

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:25:53 AM)
there is no good reason to disallow it other than your personal opinion, which should not be a factor in this since we are talking about rules governing the venue as a whole allow it

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:26:41 AM)
Im not going to bend cause Iam not the only one that does not agree with obten3..I just happen to be the only one logged on to talk to you about it..

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:28:05 AM)
Reuel may not agree either, but he vanished without reading or commenting on things

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:28:14 AM)
trust me i know

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:28:25 AM)
he might be more swayable than you

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:28:47 AM)
or at least more reasonable, if i remember from my time on nb

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:28:55 AM)
lol

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:29:20 AM)
Oh I agree its not in the guidelines and it should be which i did point out btw

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:29:40 AM)
no it should not be

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:30:51 AM)
already hated by the sect, hunted by another, there is enough detriment to being a lasombra, all of which im willing to play through, without making stupid extra hinderances

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:31:26 AM)
Oh that reminds me the flaw you took sires animosity you dont need hun

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:31:30 AM)
we can remove that

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:31:41 AM)
the hunted and probationary sect memember yes

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:31:55 AM)
i dont want to remove sires resentment

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:32:00 AM)
ah okay

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:32:10 AM)
i put it there intentionally

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:32:24 AM)
yeah the BG makes sense for you to have it

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:32:44 AM)
because it went with the whole climax of the story.... and it makes sense for me to have obten 3

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:37:04 AM)
like I said I msged Pixie about it..its up to her and im sure she will be on tomorrow sometime...

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:37:57 AM)
Or Reuel logs on

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:38:12 AM)
i hope so, this is silly

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:48:33 AM)
If you want to hang out to see if Reuel shows up thats fine if not its up to you

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:48:55 AM)
whats the point, you said no, he wont change that without you on...

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:49:04 AM)
ya never know he might

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:49:27 AM)
not without you around, its bad form to overturn another st without them present, unless its pixie

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:50:01 AM)
wont be first time its happend you know that as well as I do

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:50:34 AM)
ive never seen reuel overturn something from you....

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:50:52 AM)
from what i remember of him, he wouldnt do it

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:50:52 AM)
course not silly he is bran spanking knew...

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:51:15 AM)
i know him though, i played on nb with/under him

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:51:31 AM)
good lordy who dont you know...heh

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:53:07 AM)
very few people in this community

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:53:30 AM)
if i dont know someone i know someone who does

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:53:40 AM)
like i said who dont you know

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:53:59 AM)
and can find out all their dirty little secrets too ;p

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:54:07 AM)
oh lordy me..lol

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:54:20 AM)
and more reliably than looking at rpgsoabox the troll grounds

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:54:39 AM)
ugh i went there once and was like.."this is stupid whats the point"

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:57:02 AM)
it is very stupid, hence why so many people were against michael's return

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:57:14 AM)
I have no idea who the guy is to be honest

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:57:38 AM)
im not particularly fond of him either from personal experiences though... not because of his obnoxious trolling on the soapbox

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:57:48 AM)
ah okay

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:57:50 AM)
though most of the trolls on soapbox, are known asses

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:58:00 AM)
so i hear

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 1:59:43 AM)
and i know unfortunately all of them

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 1:59:52 AM)
*pats*I feel for ya

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 2:02:06 AM)
and now theres you that i must contend with ;p\

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 2:02:25 AM)
hey *pouts*im not that bad sheesh

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 2:03:08 AM)
alright babe im gonna log i sent pixie a msg

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 2:03:18 AM)
just tonight you are ;p

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 2:03:36 AM)
I shall give you that =-0

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 2:03:38 AM)
=-)

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 2:03:47 AM)
*thumps*

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 2:03:53 AM)
ow!

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 2:03:56 AM)
meanie

Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 2:04:31 AM)
you earned it

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 2:05:01 AM)
feh

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 2:05:05 AM)
im out

PeachesCat (Nov 15, 2011 2:05:07 AM)
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Kader Cipriani (Nov 15, 2011 2:05:29 AM)
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