Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 6:51:41 PM)
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Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 6:54:03 PM)
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Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 6:54:34 PM)
Okay.. Since I'm having CG here as witness and help in cases things go off on translation since I know I type weird at times. She is getting good at Mingusese

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 6:54:54 PM)
Sure, no problem. ^_^

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 6:55:13 PM)
So if I understand this right.. you want the reason your totem to leave is because IT thinks its time.. is this being done to avoid any possible consequences and making you think it will be easier to get the next totem?

CG (Aug 16, 2011 6:56:21 PM)
(i have donuts in the fryer, i have to pull them out, one sec)

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 6:57:31 PM)
No, it honestly just seems like the proper course of events. Black Eyes by his very concept is a lesser totem who mentors young shaman from Heyoka's family line. It was never meant for him to be a permanent attachment to Crow. Crow just hit 4 arete in a seeking a few weeks ago, and is now in search of knowledge of spirit 4. He's attained status of his own amongst the spirits and his knowledge is ever increasing by his own merit, rather than just what the totem tells him. It's time Crow moved on, and it's time Black Eyes finds another young dreamspeaker to offer patronage.

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 6:58:30 PM)
Next part.. Why the Astral Realm?

CG (Aug 16, 2011 6:58:37 PM)
(back)

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 6:58:42 PM)
It would be awesome as hell if Tejah, Heyoka's new consor, took patronage fro black eyes actually. At least in my opinion. But that's really neither here nor there, and would be completely up to her and you guys.

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 6:59:25 PM)
on that part.. No

CG (Aug 16, 2011 6:59:46 PM)
She's not of the family line, so it wouldn't fit anyways.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:00:40 PM)
Too many dreamspeakers get stuck in this rut, where they never really look beyond the pen umbra or the middle umbra. The spirits wilds ends up the entirety of their world. I don't like it. Dreamspeakers...they speak for the dream...all of it. By basing his totem out of the Astral Plane, I hope to broaden Heyoka's horizons. Take the oportunity to bluebook and explore options typically unavailable to magi in general. I'm super intrigued by the astral and all it represents and I think it would be a really fun way to experience that.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:00:53 PM)
And that's cool, I hadn't mentioned it to her, hadn't even considered the idea til now. So no biggy.

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:01:52 PM)
Okay.. so another question.. Totems put time, knowledge, and literally invest into there shaman, Having one jump off you is going to get noticed as totesm do techinically talk

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:02:55 PM)
Of course, but considering the situation, I'd hardly think any kind of noteriety or anything could come of it. If nothing else, the totem is leaving because Crow has advanced beyond the scope of what Black Eyes represents. That's good gossip.

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:04:35 PM)
It could also be seen as "its leaving cause you lack in matters and such"

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:05:36 PM)
How? The totem is a mentor of young freshly awakened dreamspeakers. Crow is in no shape way or form any of that these days. He's graduated from Black Eyes school, not getting kicked out.

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:07:25 PM)
If it were that simple. But totems don't go with "school" ettiquette

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:09:10 PM)
Its a master student relation ship.. and one breaking one off, either side still causes gossip, and gossip causes issues. Also since your going from the umbra.. to the astrall adds additional issues as its like going from one gang to another gang

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:09:22 PM)
Spirits traditionaly do. They seldom make up lies simply for the spite of it, unless we're talkin banes, which we're not. Crow has always had a very good and close relationship to Black Eyes, he venerated him often, and never once broke his ban. I still fail to see how this could reflect poorly on him that he's simply beyond the scope of the totem itself?

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:10:08 PM)
It's not like I'm changing totems seeking greater power or anything. Only to develop the growth of the character.

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:10:28 PM)
Well.. are you heading to try and get another Crow totem?

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:11:52 PM)
Ash... I think the heart of the matter that is giving us all difficulties here, is that you've been playing your totem directly instead of letting the ST team handle him. Now.. I'm not -mad- at you for it or anything, but it is causing some problems and miscommunications here. Totems are not like spirit allies, they're powerful npcs and should technically be run by us, not the players.. Now all IC entanglements aside you want to drop the totem because you feel he's outgrown it. Right?

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:11:53 PM)
No, Dreamspeakers are supposed to deal in broader strokes than that. They don't typically pick a single spirit type then affixate themselves in that one area and never stray. While alot of dreamspeakers you see online act that way, to fit a narrower concept, the tradition guide paints a different picture. Which I'm tryin to accurately represent by broadening the character's horizons.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:12:45 PM)
I've been playing out the totem just like I was told when the character was first created, and no one has ever told me to do it differently since then.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:12:52 PM)
Pretty much, yes.

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:13:42 PM)
What -kind- of totem did he strike out into the astral plane to find, and ICly, why did he pick the astral plane?

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:18:59 PM)
He didn't strike out to purposely find a totem at all. Originally, Black Eyes was to lead him to the astral plane as he sought out knowledge on spirit 4. A bluebook that Mingus said would be okay several weeks ago as justification, since there were no PC or NPC mentors around to help Crow advance. However, once I started looking over the character, the books, and so on, I realized just how far beyond Crow had moved beyond the scope of his current totem. It seemed a reasonable and oportune moment to work that into his storyline. Once he got to the vulgate, Black Eyes would tell him that their time was at an end. That he was needed elsewhere, and Crow should begin his own journey. As a farewell, he directed Crow to the Bibliotheca where crow would find info regarding a spire to the epiphamies that might help him in his search for spirit 4 knowledge. In the process of that journey through the spire, he would encounter an astral spirit....one who would take an interest in this lone dreamspeaker out traveling the

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:19:08 PM)
astral landscape. He'd watch crow as he moved up into the epiphamies where he would find his inspiration, and in turn, impress the spirit enough to take him on as a totem and patron. (I realize it won't go down exactly like this, since you guys are taking an active part in shaping the events, but that's just how I had it in my mind when I still thought it might be done in a series of in depth bluebooks. )

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:19:13 PM)
You told me yourself you must have a destination in the astral plane or you get lost for who knows how long.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:20:08 PM)
You have to have a 'cause', more so than a spicific destination. So long as you maintain momentum towards your final goal, you're good. It's when you begin to stray and tarry too long that it becomes a problem. Like getting distracted by all the knowledge of the Bibliotheca, or the many arms of the River of Languages.

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:22:54 PM)
So.. you're basically wanting a random encounter with a totem-spirit. Okay. Now... Out of character. ... what are You looking for?

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:28:06 PM)
A development in the PC that broadens his horizons, keeps him on track towards what I envisioned for the character and maintains enjoyment for me. The character grows more and more distant as a matter of course, his interests and unbearable curiosity always leading him further out into the umbral planes. His storm warden making it possible for him to be one of the last remaining umbral explorers out there. I understand this is just a straight up pain in the ass for STs, and I honestly sorry for that. It's the main reason I was heading towards the familiar, as it would give me an NPC middle man to use at times while bluebooking some of Crow's more...out there..journeys. Relieving the STs of some of the headache and one on one storylines and dedication this thing could potentially require. What I don't need is extra xp, extra powers, or anything of the sort. I'm just looking to broaden the character, continue his development, and do so in such a way that it doesn't completely bomb out the game, the character, o

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:28:11 PM)
or the STs involved.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:31:29 PM)
I know its a bunch of conceptually wild stuff, but I assure you I'm not looking for some weasily way to make Crow more powerful. He's about to pick up spirit 4...he's plenty powerful in my book already. Hell, another reason I was lookin forward to a familiar is it gives me a place to divert some of his XP so that his development slows down a bit.

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:35:48 PM)
hmm.

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:36:03 PM)
we're thinkin, give us a bit

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:36:49 PM)
-nods-

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:38:19 PM)
If there's actually a fear that I might just be tryin to get more power or something like that, I'd like to reference my behavior so far. While I -can- be a pain in the ass, especially when I go reaidng books, I feel I've always RP'd my character responsibly. Other than his odd way of life (which hasn't infringed on any other PC or storyline), he's done nothing but use his abilities to try to aid the other characters in the venue. I've even backed out of some storylines and scenes, just so his particular power from specialization doesn't railroad stories.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:39:18 PM)
In other words, I think I've been responsible with what I've been allowed, even if a bit too vocal or needy with STs at times.

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:40:39 PM)
"Okay Ash.. we aren't really running an umbral game, because the majority of it is based here in New Orleans. We may occasionally find reason to give you a quest, but that's not going to be very often. So.. I know you want to just bluebook stuff, write it out yourself. But frankly umbral travel is so dangerous these days I'm really hesitant to just say it's okay. It's not so much a power concern as it is that you're just not really going to be playing the same sort of game everyone else is if your Mage is in the spirit realm all the time. I know from experience writing your own journeys gets boring after the first one or two times, and I didn't want to see you just drop him out of boredom.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:43:31 PM)
Not gonna happen, I assure you. He still has enough ties with other local material based PCs to have him come in on storylines when it's apropriate. He'll also be available for casual RP, and someday, I'll have a familiar to explore on a social development level between scenes and storylines as well. I understand this game isn't fully set up to revolve around umbral traveling and all that entails. I do. And I'm one with that. It's why I came up with this route of development. I'm one of those rare few who actually enjoys writing blue books. It gives me a chance to really put the character to it's limits and explore things otherwise infeasible or simply boring to other players.

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:44:21 PM)
And.. this is why you offered to drop him if you could play a familiar?

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:44:23 PM)
The ability to reference back to that, in my casual interaction with others, is more than enough to make me feel it's a worthwhile investment of time.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:45:08 PM)
That was before I had this idea that would maintain him as a feasible and reasonable character, while still moving along the development track I had invisioned.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:49:21 PM)
At first, I was at a loss. Heyoka is a -very- spirit oriented fellow. I wasn't sure how to explore the most fufilling part of that sphere, which to me in the rich environments WW writers supplied, without requesting scene after scene after scene. Which isn't fair, and even if you guys some how miraculously managed to do them all, would inevitably lead others to claim favoritism due to all my ST attention. But then it occured to me that if you guys would allow me to explore that aspect of the character through bluebooks, he could continue to interact on a more traditional level with other PCs in scenes and normal storylines.

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:53:28 PM)
Alright.. well.. After some discussion.. debate.. and Possible issues arrived at and such..

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:53:37 PM)
:3

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:53:37 PM)
I can NOW run the scene for Heyoka..

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:53:47 PM)
*GRINS EVEN MORE* THIS will be epic

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:53:54 PM)
Yes. Yes it will.

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:53:55 PM)
lol, weeee!

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:54:04 PM)
oh on.. wheee.. doesn't cover it yet

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:54:14 PM)
*rubs hands together* fear is what you should have right now

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:54:27 PM)
If I die...no hard feelings will be had. Just putting it out there. Love the character, but a suitable end is always just as fun.

Mingus (Aug 16, 2011 7:54:39 PM)
If you die.. its cause the roller hates you..

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:54:43 PM)
You have both STs smiling, why aren't you afraid. *messes up your hair*

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:54:56 PM)
^_^

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:55:08 PM)
lol, then let's hope it's on my side. She's a finicky lover, she is

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CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:56:55 PM)
<.< >.> I wanna watch, can I watch? Do you mind, Ash?

Ashishishe Heyoka (Aug 16, 2011 7:57:02 PM)
lol, not at all

CG (Aug 16, 2011 7:57:07 PM)
yay

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