Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:09:29 PM)
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Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:10:00 PM)
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Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:10:20 PM)
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Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:10:28 PM)
(pack Three way *ducks*)

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:11:29 PM)
(*BAPS*)

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:11:54 PM)
I be blunt I do not trust that kinfolk Mark O'Mally. At some point he must have proven himself to the spirits....because he IS spirit touched. (has gnosis) A mark of there favor is the best way I can figure it.

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:12:20 PM)
has he tols us how he proven himself?

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:12:21 PM)
*she nodded* why is it you dont trust him? is it because of being touched?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:12:25 PM)
However.....some garou, somewhere was very foolish.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:12:46 PM)
He offered to teach Emilie the cleansing rites.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:12:56 PM)
*studies the other garou for there reactions*

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:13:32 PM)
how does he know this? Even if the spirits have touched him.. the deal with the Spirits for gifts and rites to work.. kinfolk where not included

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:14:26 PM)
*she blinked, not sure what to make of it* that's... wow. does he know all componants? or, does he just know the motions?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:15:14 PM)
I asked. Apparently he knows the "motions" of the rite, but can't perform it himself. Some fool of a garou permitted a kinfolk to learn the bland mechanics of the rite.........

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:15:56 PM)
Favored by the spirits or not hes still a kinfolk. He has no business learning the sacred rites. As you said hes not part of the pact.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:16:44 PM)
*she sighed softly* i agree, some garou was idiootic. but... can we really blame him for it?

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:17:30 PM)
maybe the garou in question. wanted to make sure that the knowledge was not lost.. granted it is a common rite.. but still

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:17:55 PM)
*she paces....showing building anger* Am I the only one ...offended by this? Am I the only one bothered that some garou somewhere taught a kinfolk a....empty mockery of our rites? *closes eyes collecting herself* Humm I don't suppose I can blame him for what he knows, but he was rather presumptious when he offered to TEACH it to a garou.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:18:05 PM)
As if he understood half of what goes into that.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:18:27 PM)
-that- is what is angering. not that some garou was an idiot

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:18:50 PM)
It's like a blind mole trying to teach a hawk to hunt.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:18:55 PM)
and, sarah, you have to remember that you are speaking with two striders. we may not be philodoxes, but we do tend to step into the role of judge

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:19:08 PM)
knowing is one thing. he should not be offering to teach...

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:19:27 PM)
and, we have a different perspective on passing down knowledge then most

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:20:37 PM)
*she gave horus a softer smile* (plus, she's a judge in nature or demanor. i cant remember.... >.> she's gonna look at this from both sides)

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:20:52 PM)
That is why I am angered at him. *sits down* Hes Fianna kin technically beyond my area of concern but....well I decided before I either take action or just drop the matter......I would seek advice from Grandmother Hilma.

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:21:14 PM)
do the fianna have a tribal elder here?

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:21:27 PM)
isnt takes no shit rhya their elder?

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:21:40 PM)
may want to talk to him as well

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:22:04 PM)
and, have you spoken to him about his overstepping of boundries?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:22:42 PM)
Yes I believe so. Perhaps I should let Grandmother Hilma decide if it's important enough to bring to his tribal elders attention. Frankly I'm very upset and confused over this. I'm going to ask my elder so I don't do anything.......rash.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:23:04 PM)
*looks at Nuri* I was so angry I cursed his ancestors down to the bird generation in Salish.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:23:10 PM)
Yeah.....I think he got the idea.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:23:45 PM)
Tristan ......explained it to him. Hes a good halfmoon.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:23:55 PM)
*smiles wryly*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:24:41 PM)
I left before I hurt him.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:25:14 PM)
*she chuckled softly* my suggestion would be to speak with hilma first. if she thinks it's worth persueing, then speak to takes no shit. also, despite being angry and such, i would offer an apology for reacting aqs you did. that way, any tension between you and his, and therefore the tribes, will be put aside

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:26:49 PM)
I'll consider it....I'll see how my talk with Grandmother goes.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:27:19 PM)
*she nodded*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:27:46 PM)
For now it might do Mark some good to realize his presumption has consequences. Even if just my ire.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:28:23 PM)
do you wish for me to speak with him on this

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:28:25 PM)
?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:28:38 PM)
No....at this point he can stew.

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:28:56 PM)
we can always put him on a spinal *he jokes a bit. *

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:29:03 PM)
It's not like I'm going to hurt him. Boys just lucky I'm not an Ahroun.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:29:32 PM)
*smiles at Horus*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:29:57 PM)
I just thought I owed you two an explaination of why....that guy makes me real tense at the moment.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:29:58 PM)
*she chuckled*

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:30:10 PM)
i guess i will go and cancel the kinroast *he fake sighs*

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:30:11 PM)
*she nodded* thank you for explaining. it helps

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:30:29 PM)
worry not.. i just sit and watc

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:30:32 PM)
watch

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:30:34 PM)
You see much of this is how I was taught.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:32:02 PM)
*she nodded, listening*

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:32:20 PM)
*he listens*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:32:22 PM)
I was taught that a part of Uktena's charge to Uktena is to be stewards and Guardians of knowledge. Knowledge as you well know is both power, a tool, or a weapon depending on the circumstances. In the wrong hands...knowledge can be like a child grabbing for fire. I had it drilled into me NEVER to let certain knowledge fall into the wrong hands. To protect what is sacred, by all means to teach it to those who need it, BUT never to let the child grasp the firebrand. .......................

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:33:43 PM)
A kinfolk knowing even the .....motions, is knowledge in the wrong hands. It bothers me on a very fundamental level.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:34:47 PM)
just to play devil's advocate, why is it the wrong hands if it's in a kin's hands?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:36:14 PM)
Oh I doubt cleansing is that serious a breach, but a kinfolk is far easier to get information from than a garou. All it takes is a determined wyrm minion and an unprotected kin. That and they are not part of the pact so it isn't for them.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:36:48 PM)
Does your tribe have different practices?

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:37:40 PM)
(*looks to horus, since he knows the striders better*)

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:37:44 PM)
*thinks* Well most kin I know....there was one, that one should have been a garou.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:38:04 PM)
I just so seldom see kin with that....strength.

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:38:06 PM)
all tribes are different.. but .. knowledge should not be lost.. and any vessel can used, so such things can be passed on

Horus Alexander (Jul 8, 2010 11:38:21 PM)
what sort of strength?

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:42:18 PM)
.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:43:41 PM)
In Magrid, there used to be an older Glasswalker dominated sept..

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:44:18 PM)
*she nodded some*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:45:43 PM)
They often used well trained security type kinfolk to suppliment the cearn defense. It worked out pretty well as I understand it because the cearn was in a Corporation type building. Well this one kin named Marcus got captured once by Vampires. They took him underground, where they tortured him for information on the sept. He lost a leg to the torture yet he said nothing. The sept actually recovered him alive. I heard this tale from the kinfolk himself who still served the newer sept to some capacity.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:46:38 PM)
But it's so rare in kin.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 8, 2010 11:47:19 PM)
I've met perhaps two or three kinfolk in my travels that almost had his strength but most? Are just regular people.....most regular people would break under that.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 8, 2010 11:49:50 PM)
*she nodded* well, he looks like he's seen a good deal of battle. he's missing a hand, and has facial scaring. perhaps he is one of the rare?