Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:46:39 PM)
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Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:46:47 PM)
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Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:46:52 PM)
what's up?

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:46:53 PM)
Hokay, So... dhis is the werld.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:47:12 PM)
Hey, remember that scene couple nights ago, with Steven, Dalton, Cosette, and Lobo?

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:47:27 PM)
I want to make sure this is a character querk belonging to your character, and not your OOC thinking.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:47:46 PM)
and don't mind me so much if I don't post right away I have to help load a care. Yeah I definately remember that scene

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:47:46 PM)
You guys are really going to try and hunt down Lobo if she decides to leave the ShadowLords?

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:47:56 PM)
Let met get to that in a sec

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:48:09 PM)
Alright, I'll keep posting though while I wait for you...

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:50:05 PM)
sorry had to load the car quick

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:50:14 PM)
I looked over the screens we took

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:50:32 PM)
because it came up last night

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:50:36 PM)
And what has Lobo done, or planning to do, that qualifies calling The Hunt on her?

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:51:02 PM)
herme me out a sec.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:51:19 PM)
Never once did Dalton or Steven say they were going to kill Lobo.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:51:21 PM)
Seriously.... 'Serve us utterly or we will kill you! When every Warrior of Gaia is absolutly essential in the Apocolypse!!'

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:51:26 PM)
Yes, you did

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:51:41 PM)
They were under the impression that Lobo didn't want to be a garou or associate with garou

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:51:44 PM)
'Rejoin us, and claim your ancestral Rite, or Die'

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:51:55 PM)
That's the correct impression.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:52:00 PM)
as in she chose to withdraw from the Nation, not the tribe.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:52:10 PM)
As such she would be considered a lunatic.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:52:11 PM)
Especially the Tribe.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:52:23 PM)
How about misguided?

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:52:29 PM)
No

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:52:33 PM)
that's the actual term

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:52:53 PM)
So they're going to kill her.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:53:03 PM)
Lunatic = Garou that chooses not to be a part of the Nation

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:53:10 PM)
There's nothing about the tribe here.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:53:35 PM)
She obviously does not like Steven or Dalton, or any of the Stormcrows.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:53:44 PM)
The only thing Steven and dalton has told her is that there were a lot of garou that would kill for the chance to off a former shadowlord

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:53:58 PM)
You didn't say that.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:54:12 PM)
that's exactly what I said actually.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:54:14 PM)
You said 'there are a lot of people out there who will kill Lobo for leaving the tribe'

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:54:19 PM)
Im looking at the screen shot now.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:54:57 PM)
Did dalton and Steven threaten to kill her...

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:55:00 PM)
No...

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:55:05 PM)
jsut warned her that others might

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:55:18 PM)
For intentionally withdrawing from the tribe

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:55:20 PM)
I don't think so.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:55:20 PM)
err

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:55:22 PM)
nation

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:55:46 PM)
They need to make it clear to Lobo then, if that was their actual point.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:55:54 PM)
thats what it was.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:55:58 PM)
They tried.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:56:03 PM)
but she was acting all crazy

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:56:25 PM)
Precieved threats against her life will cause anyone to go a little hysteric.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:57:29 PM)
Well as for steven's grievence.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:57:38 PM)
Loco assaulted his wife.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:57:41 PM)
This chat between us is mostly so I can figure out your intentions... Lobo's smart enough she should be able to figure it out.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:57:53 PM)
Lobo is also mostly wolf.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:58:01 PM)
threatened the saftey of his unborn child

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:58:08 PM)
Touch is an important aspect (though she will touch others, and others can't touch her).

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:58:14 PM)
*eyeroll*

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:58:19 PM)
Hang on..

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:58:29 PM)
To Steven, I can safely assume that's what -he- thought.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:58:30 PM)
Kinfolk can get disease from raw meat and animal blood.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:58:44 PM)
Which is something Lobo -has no idea- about.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:59:06 PM)
If you lived your entire life and never had a cold... you'd wonder what all the sniffling is about also...

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:59:07 PM)
Ignorance isn't an acception to breaking the litany

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:59:16 PM)
That's not breaking the litany...

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:59:25 PM)
issue 1

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:59:27 PM)
You'd have to be an idiot to think so.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:59:32 PM)
Submission to station

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 4:59:45 PM)
issue to Violation of territory

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 4:59:51 PM)
Hang on... we're assuming here Lobo knows what the Litany is.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:02 PM)
You can't play a cub here

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:06 PM)
period

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:08 PM)
Twisted Upbringing

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:11 PM)
(flaw)

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:19 PM)
That's a banned flaw

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:27 PM)
Obviously not.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:35 PM)
It's on the forum

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:43 PM)
You sure it's banned, or merely restricted?

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:48 PM)
banned

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:00:55 PM)
that I know for a fact

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:01:09 PM)
Show me on the forums

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:02:47 PM)
nevermind

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:02:50 PM)
you are right

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:02:52 PM)
*nod*

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:02:53 PM)
restricted

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:02:55 PM)
my bad

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:02:58 PM)
it's ok

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:03:01 PM)
It's banned in fera

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:03:11 PM)
Ah, I can see where the misunderstanding would be.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:03:23 PM)
but ignorance doesn't equate to innocence

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:03:45 PM)
just because Lobo doesn't know the litany, doesn't mean she can't violate it.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:04:20 PM)
No. And I'll be the first to say Lobo's real emotional (to a fault) when interacting around other werewolves.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:05:16 PM)
But Steven don't have have a problem with Lobo. Infact we are trying to raise the reputation of the shadowlords.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:05:17 PM)
Lobo kissing Cosette... heh... I was actually going to have her smootch Steven at that moment instead, but figured the Kinfolk was the more safe option.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:05:31 PM)
Yeah that would have been a bad move

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:06:08 PM)
but still violation of territory and submission to station

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:06:31 PM)
those are enough for a punishment rite.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:06:38 PM)
Lobo won't submit to Steven, or Dalton. Their reputation is too obvious to her now.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:06:56 PM)
Uh, sure Steven. Lobo won't care about any punishment Rite.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:07:04 PM)
Im just stating fact.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:07:16 PM)
OOCly, enforcing her to perform a Rite of Contrition is far more appropriate.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:07:27 PM)
of course.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:07:31 PM)
No, you're stating opinion.. A really conservative, uptight one.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:07:40 PM)
it's how it is.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:07:46 PM)
No, it's how it is for you.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:07:52 PM)
And the rest of the Stormcrows.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:07:56 PM)
yeah

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:08:16 PM)
That said, other tribes/Garou, will react differently to what Lobo does, or would have done.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:08:39 PM)
has lobo passed rite of passage?

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:08:51 PM)
Technically, no.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:08:56 PM)
She never even got one.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:09:05 PM)
You can't play a cub here

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:09:13 PM)
that's in the rules.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:09:14 PM)
She's treated like a Cliath.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:09:19 PM)
don't matter

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:09:25 PM)
Alright, listen.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:09:32 PM)
if you haven't passed right of passage, you are a cub.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:10:09 PM)
Lobo's background specifically states after she realised she could Change (Not after she first started changing), Lobo was on her own for a considerable amount of time.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:10:19 PM)
She learned about werewolves through other means.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:10:22 PM)
right

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:10:33 PM)
but if you haven't passed your right of passage..

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:10:36 PM)
you are a cub.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:10:39 PM)
thats fact

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:10:49 PM)
The Sept that brought her in noticed she seemed to know what she was doing, and since they were FAR to busy with their own problems, they put her in a pack and sent her out on missions.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:11:06 PM)
Assuming she was just from another Sept, too low ranking to be of any true notice.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:11:34 PM)
It's not about the Rite of Passage. It's about recognizing a werewolf as 'an adult'

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:11:55 PM)
no it's not

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:11:59 PM)
read the rite

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:12:04 PM)
that's exactly what it is.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:12:18 PM)
The only ones who will know if she'd passed the thing are the ones who gave it to her.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:12:29 PM)
The news would spread orally and people would recognize her as an adult.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:12:36 PM)
Say the Rite never happened, but news spread anyway.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:12:40 PM)
the point is you aren't following the rules posted by the WTA staff

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:12:54 PM)
It's not some mystical marker that's written on the werewolf's fur.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:12:56 PM)
I didn't write them man.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:13:02 PM)
Rite of Passage, Checkmark

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:13:24 PM)
Well, thank heavens you're not the Werewolf ST!

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:13:28 PM)
at which point Lobo would know the Litany

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:13:33 PM)
I was

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:13:43 PM)
Lobo is increadibly intelligent.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:13:47 PM)
I was up until the 18th

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:13:59 PM)
If you do what you're told, keep your head low, and do as the romans do, no one would ever know the difference.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:14:19 PM)
and if you passed your rite of passage... you'd know the litany.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:14:25 PM)
that's also in the chat rules

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:14:39 PM)
That's part of Lobo's background.... she sees how touchy Garou are with certain taboos... she avoids these taboos. Lobo doesn't break the litany.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:14:45 PM)
&eyeroll*

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:14:50 PM)
alright, we're done.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:15:01 PM)
but lobo KNOWS the Litany

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:15:08 PM)
thats what Im telling you.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:15:13 PM)
She knows Garou follow certain codes of conduct.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:15:25 PM)
you are missing the point im making

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:15:35 PM)
She hears people refer to the litany, but she's too prideful to ever ask 'uh... what is that anyway?'

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:15:41 PM)
You're missing mine.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:16:10 PM)
IIm telling you that your character knows the litany because the house rules says ALL Garou know the Litany

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:16:26 PM)
again...

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:16:30 PM)
I didn't write that.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:16:43 PM)
I don't care if you wrote that. But would you please link it to me?

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:18:02 PM)
http://www.sinful-illusions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:18:07 PM)
character creation.

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:18:37 PM)
Each player gets one free dot in their Tribal Lore. Rituals is the default for Garou Lore; Law covers both Litany and human law. (All Garou know the Litany without Law 1; Law refers to specific interpretations there in.)

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:19:59 PM)
Ah, but it doesn't say it's a requirement

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:20:40 PM)
You want me to pull a Garou ST in here to tell you what is acceptable and what isn't?

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:21:32 PM)
I'll think about it.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:23:47 PM)
I don't want to play the perfect werewolf character. I also don't want who Lobo is to be stripped away from her.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:23:53 PM)
Let's discuss another point...

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:24:10 PM)
I get that.

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:24:16 PM)
Steven tells Lobo to undo her 'claim' on Cosette. Lobo takes that as a 'get the fuck away'

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:24:36 PM)
smart

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:24:43 PM)
Doing what she precieved he told her to do, and leaving the area. (Though she did verbally deny him 'station)

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:24:59 PM)
How is that not submitting to station?

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:25:17 PM)
'Oh, fuck, he looks angry. I better just get out of his sight...' *Bamph!*

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:25:50 PM)
In turn, Steven and Dalto chasing Lobo down, I can see that as a last ditch effort to 'save the lobo'

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:26:19 PM)
summons from the ST

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:26:19 PM)
thats kinda what it was

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:26:25 PM)
hmm?

Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:26:28 PM)
ok?

Loco Lobo (Dec 26, 2010 5:26:30 PM)
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Steven Vincent (Dec 26, 2010 5:26:35 PM)
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