Legion (May 30, 2011 2:42:47 AM)
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Dusk (May 30, 2011 2:42:52 AM)
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London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:43:31 AM)
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Legion (May 30, 2011 2:46:09 AM)
OKay so... What I'm trying to establish, is why the player would have been refused the pw to the room

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:46:20 AM)
or why he was even disuaded from gaining access to the room

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:46:43 AM)
by whom? he never asked me for a pw , in fact I told him to check with SP as she was the st running the show

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:47:30 AM)
London Carter (May 29, 2011 4:58:36 PM) [ nope hes whining in pms tho abotu oocly keeping him out and whatnot . toldhim its an sl that started well before he was sanctioned and that since he was ultra new to demon period it wouldnt be a good look]

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:47:49 AM)
Well, theres this to begin with

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:48:05 AM)
Iyeah I said that, but I wasnt keeping him out, you want those PMS?

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:48:13 AM)
Not exactly a welcoming tone

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:48:17 AM)
I told him specifically to check with SP

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:48:48 AM)
Hon, you are not being targetted. I want to be very clear that this is not an ambush on you.

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:49:44 AM)
I need to speak to everyone involved, but there is a possibility of consequences for any that falsified information to this player. This does not include you

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:50:45 AM)
However, I need to make clear, that any player who has IC reasons to be in a place, such as being with players who are en route to a scene, must be allowed pw's, wether the players feel that they warrant being there or not

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:50:55 AM)
Oh I know that, however I think that the guy made an issue out of an non issue and since that was to the room with the st and an admin it wasnt something that he saw, so I will own that doesnt look right, but I tried to explain to him that ICLY a. he was utterly new to the city and B. none of the demons knew him and he didnt have any ties to ministry or police that he wouldnt have been involved

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:51:30 AM)
I did not deny him any passwords, he never asked me, he said he was supposed to be in the scene, I sent him to SP to check since it wasnt my call

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:52:07 AM)
The facts are that he was in company with the players... this is how new players get involved in the game, and he was excluded

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:52:54 AM)
I understand that hun, I do.. but London wouldnt have invited him, and she left with amos and janette before all of that went down

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:53:15 AM)
so whatever took place after that icly she was no where around

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:53:40 AM)
thats not cool with me, not cool for the venue. I will speak with Princess as soon as I'm able, aloing with Amos and Lina. The logs clearly show he was in the company of arriving players and based on information given, Princess refused him acsess. London did not havr to invite him for the character to be there

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:54:56 AM)
Players MUST adhere to the policy of 'contained reality', meaning that if a player tags along, "you shouldnt be here" will win the player involved a venue warning

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:55:01 AM)
okay, if I made a mistake ic thats fine, ill own that, but based on all of the ic things happening, london wouldnt have been quick to tell a strange new demon hay come with ... it doesnt make sense...

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:55:57 AM)
He asked why he could have been possibly exclused, I explained to him that he was new to the city and such, and he had no ministry or police ties which means he wouldnt have been invovled, that was my reasoning, again if that was in error I will own that

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:56:00 AM)
*nods* Okay hon. Sorry but as I know you understand, this is the perview of the HST. I have to follow these things up and ensure everyone gets the same shake

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:56:25 AM)
He was involved because he was there, plain ansd simple

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:57:33 AM)
true but he didnt tag along with London amos and janette

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:57:49 AM)
I know, he came after, and what I see so far, is that he was excluded, posts wedre made that were far from accurate to princess to ensure he was not allowed access and Amos said if he came in scene, he would 'stomp his ass'.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 2:58:03 AM)
Can I ask one question. *Comes back from reading logs* Did Amos and London call Lina and Luci to the scene ic? Was a phone call made?

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:58:33 AM)
Amos called luci and Lina when nahuel asked if anyone has ties to the police

Dusk (May 30, 2011 2:58:43 AM)
So he did place a phone call?

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:58:52 AM)
yes he did call them

Dusk (May 30, 2011 2:58:57 AM)
cool :) Thank you.

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:59:18 AM)
and in the vein of the continued reality, what police officers would bring a civilian along ?

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:59:29 AM)
that was another thing I was trying to explain to him

Legion (May 30, 2011 2:59:46 AM)
Again, he was in thr truck Lina arrived in

Dusk (May 30, 2011 2:59:46 AM)
It doesn't matter, he got onto the back of the truck. They didn't stop him, so he was there.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 2:59:51 AM)
He was IC in the scene

London Carter (May 30, 2011 2:59:58 AM)
oooh okay

Dusk (May 30, 2011 2:59:59 AM)
He was excluded OOC by not being given the pw

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:00:02 AM)
That is not cool.

London Carter (May 30, 2011 3:00:41 AM)
I told him to check with the ST running the scene since I knew it to be a closed scene

Legion (May 30, 2011 3:01:09 AM)
and its pretty clear from the tone of responces that having him out of the scene was the general consensus, which compounds the legitimacy of the complaint

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:01:31 AM)
Yep :) That's cool, just got to make sure everyone there understands that if a pc has made IC actions to be in a scene they MUST be given access to that scene. Jack is blameless in this.

London Carter (May 30, 2011 3:01:52 AM)
well not really, the whole thing with Amos.. ic purely IC driven

Legion (May 30, 2011 3:01:58 AM)
London, this is a very unofficial warning okay, just be carefu in future or who should and shouldnt be in a scene.

London Carter (May 30, 2011 3:02:02 AM)
jack was leering repeatedly at his thrall

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:02:10 AM)
Hon I just read the logs

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:02:19 AM)
Amos has no reason to be foot stomping Jack anywhere.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:02:27 AM)
IC he was perfectly pleasant to Jack the whole time.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:03:12 AM)
He exhibted zero aggression ic towards Jack before this thing became an ooc issue.

London Carter (May 30, 2011 3:03:28 AM)
legion I understand, but I followed what I thought was the proper protocals and directed him to the ST, was that not the proper thing to do ?

London Carter (May 30, 2011 3:03:41 AM)
just trying to get it clear in my mind

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:04:45 AM)
Yes letting the st make the call was the right thing to do hon. But telling the player in PM's that they didn't have a right to be in the scene because they were new to the game/city was not the right thing to do. As said, everyone will be spoken to in order to reaffirm that if pc's make actions to be in a scene they MUST be given access to the scene.

London Carter (May 30, 2011 3:05:24 AM)
I was trying to exdplain as to why he wouldnt have been included icly, but I told him repreatedly that it wasnt ooc realted

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:05:46 AM)
Cool :) I missunderstood, you are all good then!

Legion (May 30, 2011 3:05:50 AM)
Yes, but he DID have a reason to be included

Legion (May 30, 2011 3:06:33 AM)
thanks T

Legion (May 30, 2011 3:06:41 AM)
I will let you get back to it

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:07:06 AM)
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Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:07:19 AM)
Hey Lucinde :)

London Carter (May 30, 2011 3:07:22 AM)
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Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:07:26 AM)
Hi.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:07:37 AM)
Just talking to London about the scene with Serene Princess that was run earlier.

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:07:43 AM)
KK.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:07:51 AM)
Where Jack Schmidt was on the back of the truck when you guys entered.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:08:12 AM)
We are talking to each player that was at that scene and making sure that everyone understands demon chat policy regarding these events.

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:08:24 AM)
Okay...

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:08:32 AM)
If a player takes IC actions to enter a scene that are not combatted IC'ly they MUST be given access to the scene.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:09:31 AM)
Jack should have been given the pw to the scene and allowed into it.

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:09:31 AM)
I didn't stop him. My character protested IC because Amos told her to try and ditch him. He refused, so he jumped in the truck and we went to the room.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:09:45 AM)
When did Amos tell her to try and ditch him?

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:10:02 AM)
I... wasn't stopping him. He'd never asked me for the password. I didn't know he didn't have it.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:10:10 AM)
cool :)

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:10:11 AM)
Via PMs.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:10:18 AM)
ic or ooc pm's?

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:10:42 AM)
No fingers are being pointed, we are just making sure that everyone knows the policy.

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:11:00 AM)
Li and Luci were both saying "hey dude, thanks for "looking out for us but we're cool", and he refused to leave. So.. he said he jumped into the truck. I left for the scene. I didn't post after that, because SP left before we were allowed to enter.

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:11:29 AM)
IC PMs. And it really didn't matter to me or not, nor to Luci, if he showed up.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:11:46 AM)
yep that's cool :) Just in the logs I didn't see you guys get a phone call from Amos or anything so I was wondering.

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:12:02 AM)
It was in our brains... or so I was lead to believe.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:12:35 AM)
telepathically?

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:12:39 AM)
I think so?

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:13:01 AM)
Okay thanks :)

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:13:10 AM)
Sure.

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:13:35 AM)
Heading off, just wanted to clarify that if players are ic in a scene they have to be given access to the room etc

Dusk (May 30, 2011 3:13:59 AM)
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Legion (May 30, 2011 3:14:17 AM)
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Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:14:19 AM)
I wasn't fighting it, like I said. Didn't really care. I was asked IC to try and ditch him, so.. I did.

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Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:14:33 AM)
IC. But I wasn't speaking with him via PMs or anything.

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:16:19 AM)
I was asked by SP what happened, so I said he was in the back of the truck, after Luci and Lina tried to dissuade him.

Lucinde Duboir (May 30, 2011 3:18:21 AM)
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