Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:04:48 AM)
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Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:05:00 AM)
I did what you said and did the bluebook thingy
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:05:30 AM)
Okay. Where is it?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:05:45 AM)
Oh, found it.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:05:47 AM)
Sorry.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:06:00 AM)
whew dont scare me like that..thought i did it wrong
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:06:11 AM)
CTRL F wasn't working right.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:06:19 AM)
oh okay
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:07:58 AM)
Sorry about that. Okay. Let me do the math thing.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:08:06 AM)
Np hun
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:08:17 AM)
Where's the Fast Learner merit from, btw?
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:08:33 AM)
oh crap totoally forgot about that
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:09:13 AM)
take it off it need be..sry
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:09:42 AM)
...I just asked what book it's in? I'm not familiar with it.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:09:52 AM)
oh duh sry
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:10:39 AM)
the vampire players guide
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:10:44 AM)
second ed
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:10:51 AM)
Is it not in REvised?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:11:00 AM)
I'm sorry, we don't accept non-Revised merits.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:11:13 AM)
oh okay chunk it then lol
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:11:34 AM)
Alright! 3 dots to spend.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:12:06 AM)
poltics
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:12:23 AM)
Bumped to 2. 1 more!
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:12:42 AM)
wp?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:13:11 AM)
Oh, actually... Academics 1 just means you have a high school degree. If you're teaching at the university, you need at least a bachelor's degree, which is Academics 2.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:13:26 AM)
So can we move that politics to Academics?
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:13:31 AM)
oh yeah duh me
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:13:38 AM)
definatly pls
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:13:59 AM)
And you can raise that IC, if she's, say, going after a Master's degree.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:14:13 AM)
Yup and will do just that =-)
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:14:31 AM)
My other concern is the PB. If her only Kinfolk relative is her Grandmother...that probably means she's not very Purely Bred.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:15:07 AM)
well she has her parents but they ditched her..
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:15:29 AM)
and i thought she had pb 1 not 2
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:15:34 AM)
She does have PB 1.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:15:40 AM)
oh ok
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:16:00 AM)
It's still restricted, even if PB 1 is allowed, because everyone puts PB 1 on their sheets now.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:16:13 AM)
nah im good with pb 1
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:16:34 AM)
Well, that's my point. There's nothing in her history to indicate that she has any PB. No close Garou relatives, for instance.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:17:24 AM)
No she doenst other than her parents,but like her history says they ditched her..so if you want change that to 0 pb fine with me
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:18:44 AM)
OK. How about Allies?
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:18:59 AM)
yeah that works cause of her influence
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:19:31 AM)
Maybe someone higher-up at the university? Or an old friend of her Grandmother's?
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:19:54 AM)
Im going for higher up at the University.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:20:11 AM)
Okay. How about Allies 2, since you have that free dot still? "D
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:20:22 AM)
lol works for me
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:20:32 AM)
Any ideas for the sort of person she might know in town?
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:21:00 AM)
Other than the department head at the University,realative wise no one..
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:21:36 AM)
Hmm. Family friend of the grandmother's? Maybe a local businessman or teacher or counselor?
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:22:04 AM)
family friend of her grandmother would be more like it.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:22:35 AM)
OK. What does he or she do? The good thing about allies is they have *something* that can help out the PC in a jam.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:23:11 AM)
Maybe somone who's lived her all his/her life and knows a lot of details about the city? Or a retired cop?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:23:23 AM)
Get Kin tend to be in Law Enforcement a lot.
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:23:31 AM)
True..Retired cop
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:24:19 AM)
Could show her the ropes,of NO etc..
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:24:22 AM)
Perfect. And you are sanctioned. :)
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:24:32 AM)
sweet thanks so much hun*smooches and runs*
Shay Monroe (Aug 18, 2010 2:24:38 AM)
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Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:24:56 AM)
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Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:25:02 AM)
Hi there.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:25:08 AM)
A big fan of the LAnnister Lions?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:25:13 AM)
Indeed.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:25:25 AM)
And Hello
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:26:37 AM)
I tried to make it easy on you and do the freebie calculation for you
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:27:42 AM)
Alright. I'm going to run the numbers just to check, and while I'm doing that, I need for you to make me a case for why I should let you have a restricted background like PB at 5. I'm honestly very disinclined to do so, especially for a Wendigo PC.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:34:41 AM)
You're also very overspent on freebies, because secondaries cost 2 dots per, and you aren't allowed to take Resources as a Wendigo Kin per the Kinfolk book, but let's focus on the PB issue first, and then clean up the rest of the sheet.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:35:11 AM)
OK, Well For Jesse, I wanted to show how close his tribes anger was to teh surface, and how intouch he was to the Wendigo spirit. His mother was a Wendigo Ahroun, and his father a pure blooded wendigo Kinfolk. I wanted The Strength of the Tribe to show through his features, and in his blood, and bond to mother Gaia. And with him not being very tolerent of the White man, and his poisons, I felt that Jesse need to have some kind of edge within teh society, so that others not of his tribe would se that within his features and in his hatred of then wyrmbringers they might see what a proud Wendigo kinfolk is supposed to be. Jesse has a long Tradition of Wendigo braves and Theurges in his line and I wanted that to show as well in his bearing.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:35:17 AM)
err baring
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:36:03 AM)
No, bearing is right. :)
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:36:09 AM)
Bollacks I'm sorry I thought they were 1 point a dot. And I'm not concerned about the resources...
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:36:45 AM)
Tho I would like it if I could keep his land and log cabin
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:36:45 AM)
No worries, we'll make it work. Well, one thing to keep in mind is that PB doesn't give Kin any kind of edge, really.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:36:59 AM)
Besides making them more desirable as mates.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:37:33 AM)
Understood, but among the pure kinfolk it would have some kind of bearing
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:38:33 AM)
Alright. Based on the concept, I think keeping some Pure Breed makes sense. However, for most PB at that level we require a full family tree and detailed background of the family including names, rank, etc.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:38:50 AM)
When I think Of Jesse I see him as having this proudness to him, that when any Garou ofr Kinfolk looks at him they see a Wendigo
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:38:56 AM)
Because it's the kind of thing that will come up in stories. I'd be more comfortable with it being around 3 or so.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:39:20 AM)
If you want I can come up witha full family background
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:39:43 AM)
It might take me a little while but I'd be happy to do it
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:40:20 AM)
I would like that. I would be willing to approve PB at 4 or 5 with some details about previous generations of his family.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:41:13 AM)
Ok I can do that. How long are you going to be on and how many generations do you want me to go back 10, 20?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:42:20 AM)
20 is excessive. Detail his parents, grandparents, and some of the more important great-grandparents. And don't just give me names, tell me a bit about them, and what's made them so famous. Also, mentioning how he's managed to stay entirely blood-pure among the Seminole, a tribe where I think almost all members have either African or Caucasian blood, would be good. And take your time with it.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:43:04 AM)
And then we'll work on your sheet. It's 3 AM for me, so I'm not going to be around much longer, but I'll be on tomorrow, and Thursday.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:43:20 AM)
About what time tomorrow?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:43:28 AM)
Hrm... Let me check something...
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:43:31 AM)
kk
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:44:04 AM)
Probably between 4 PM and 7 PM or so Eastern? And then maybe later, like after midnight? Going to a gathering at 7:30 for several hours.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:44:24 AM)
And if I'm not around, ask any ST, they can try to ping me.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:44:38 AM)
And Thursday I'll be on all night, basically.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:45:06 AM)
OK... I'll be on After 4 and maybe we can hammer him out further. Ok good to know, Um... basically though what do you think of the concept?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:46:09 AM)
I kinda have an idea for a scene and I wondered what you might think of after he's sanct'd
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:46:23 AM)
I don't have an issue with the concept. I think it has potential. I think we'll have to massage the dots a little because you're overspent, but we'll make it work.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:46:46 AM)
I'm not worried about the dots.. we cna move and shake them at will
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:46:51 AM)
tell me your idea?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:48:40 AM)
Ok... A friend of mine is pLaying Skies and she was telling me skies is really uncomfortable at teh Spet being around all the white folks and all teh drinking and whatnot. I was going to Have Jesse basically march up and demand that because she is Wendigo that she stay with him away from all teh White men, thier lies and there poisons.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:49:42 AM)
And because he's a proud NAtive American Brave, he's not going to speak the white man's tongue, tho he understands it, so i think I'd need an ST to just in case.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:50:09 AM)
March up and demand of who? Her?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:50:18 AM)
Nobody's forcing her to stay at the sept, you know.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:50:27 AM)
MArch up and demand the Sept turn her over to him.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:50:44 AM)
Hon, that doesn't make sense.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:50:52 AM)
I know... but you ahve to understand the way he thinks
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:51:10 AM)
Any Kinfolk with a lick of sense would understand that nobody at the sept has the right to "turn her over" to anyone.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:51:48 AM)
Her havign to stay there, he would believe it is against her will, and Her being wendigo blood and he as well it would be better if she lived with him.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:52:01 AM)
Why would he ever believe a Garou has to stay there against her will?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:52:09 AM)
She's not even at the sept anymore.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:52:11 AM)
They are white
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:52:16 AM)
She's living in New Orleans.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:52:27 AM)
A fact she failed to mention to me
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:52:38 AM)
BAllz
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:52:50 AM)
Honestly? If your view of this character is to antagonize elder Garou, you're going to die in like a second.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:52:51 AM)
I hate it when details get left out
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:53:20 AM)
No No, not antagonize... not int eh least. He would have no bproblem with Hilma
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:53:32 AM)
or any of the NAtive blooded Garou
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:53:39 AM)
Demanding anything of an elder - especially to have authority over a Garou - will get him killed.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:54:04 AM)
Well humbly request of a Native Born Elder
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:54:22 AM)
He'd even bring a deer he killed to honor the native elders
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:55:02 AM)
The Uktena elder would look at him like he is crazy. And probably believe that he is.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:55:08 AM)
I would like to buy off the the HAtred flaw eventually... showing that perhaps all the years he had been wrong
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:55:29 AM)
Well, Hatred isn't really suitable, anyway. Hatred as a flaw makes you frenzy earlier...and Jesse can't frenzy. :)
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:56:15 AM)
Well doesn't it give social dice pool penalties in teh mortal scheme of things?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:56:33 AM)
like all the way up to a +3
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:56:42 AM)
I'm only familiar with the WtA version. If you can find me a version from Vamp or Mage that has social penalties, that would be fine.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:56:56 AM)
I think it's the one from mage
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:57:29 AM)
OK. Anyway...work on that family history. And really think about how you're going to do things IC. It's one thing to be proud and defiant of the Wyrmcomers, it's another to do things that make the Uktena think you are mentally damaged. :)
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:57:45 AM)
Ok point taken
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:57:55 AM)
And yeah I'll work on things
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:58:07 AM)
Especially when said Garou went to live in the Kinfolk hideout in the French Quarter with her kids already. :D
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:58:09 AM)
But I do want him seen as abrasive
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:58:16 AM)
ABsolutely. Abrasive is good.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:58:38 AM)
Refusing to use English around whitey? Good. Maybe even pretending not to understand it.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:58:41 AM)
It's half the reason he lives alone in the bayou
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:58:51 AM)
Of Course
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:59:03 AM)
It's the devil's tongue to him
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:59:12 AM)
I have some ideas for him having his bayou lands even without resources. But we will talk about that when you've got your family history done. :)
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:59:27 AM)
KK, see you tomorrow after 4pm
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 2:59:33 AM)
Goodnight!
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:59:37 AM)
I got work to do
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 2:59:45 AM)
Night night, sleep well
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Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:43:38 PM)
Ok... I went back through and shuffled some points and I wrote of 5 Character histories to his family in his BG
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:43:47 PM)
I'm seeing that, and reading.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:43:53 PM)
And I'll check the points here shortly.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:46:27 PM)
Okay, you're still overspent by a lot on freebies.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:46:33 PM)
Ah damnit
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:47:32 PM)
You have 5 on Physicals, 5 on Socials, 10 on Talents, 6 on Skills, 3 on WP, 2 on Merits = 31.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:47:58 PM)
And only 5 flaws, so that's 26 total.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:48:15 PM)
Merits?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:48:18 PM)
Gall.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:48:25 PM)
Gall is not a Flaw, it's a Merit.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:48:28 PM)
I thought Gall was a flaw
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:48:33 PM)
No.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:48:38 PM)
I was very tired
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:48:42 PM)
My Bad
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:49:25 PM)
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of loading down with 7 points of flaws and no merits, either.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:49:45 PM)
Ok... what would you suggest we do to make this more friendly... I'd like to keep the attributes, but I'm ok on shuffling around the skills talents and knowledges
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:49:47 PM)
Also, your character is really unbalanced. I get that he was on the run and learning about himself and how to survive a lot, but how can he have no KNowledges except for languages?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:50:32 PM)
Well I wanted to put some down like Cosmology, Investigation, enigmas
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:50:35 PM)
Which, by the way, is also an issue - 4th dots of abilities have to be bought with freebies.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:51:13 PM)
I just wanted some other things a lot more for him. What woudl you suggest ??
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:52:05 PM)
I actually don't have a huge problem with him having a lot of physical dots. Sure, he's got 9 combat dots, but that's not going to do him any good against Garou. What I would suggest is dropping one of the attribute dots, honestly.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:52:17 PM)
I mean I don't want to have an unbalenced character there is just a lot I want to do with him
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:52:28 PM)
Actually, never mind about the linguistics freebie issue. Horticulture is a KNowledge, anyway, so you're fine.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:52:33 PM)
Ok how about we take the dexterity down to 3 again
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:53:03 PM)
Okay, that frees up 5 freebies, which is good.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:53:28 PM)
a dex of three is still pretty above average for a normal person
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:53:54 PM)
It's solid. He's also very athletic, so you'll still have good physical pools.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:54:20 PM)
I'd really like him to be a bit more spiritual
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:54:34 PM)
Here's my suggestion - use 4 of those freebies you just got and get him some knowledges. Maybe up tribal lore to 2, and Enigmas 1, or even Enigmas 2.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:54:46 PM)
So having Cosmology would be good I think
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:55:07 PM)
Well, Cosmology isn't something that Kin can start with very easily. It's hard to learn about the Umbra and spirit world when you can't go there.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:55:18 PM)
It is something you can learn IC, though.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:55:20 PM)
Fair point
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:55:41 PM)
And I know you already have a future mate and IC contacts, so that can happen with XP.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:56:01 PM)
I'd suggest Lore, Engimas or Investigation, personally.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:56:49 PM)
Would it fall in with the character to be able to learn intuition later with XP?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:57:03 PM)
Potentially, yes.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:57:16 PM)
Learning to rely on instincts more can be done.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:57:56 PM)
I really wanted him to have that beign a Native American, but I'm sure I cna Blue Book something for his learnign process
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:58:20 PM)
Ok I took your suggestion, have another look at the sheet
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:59:00 PM)
Okay, from now on, let me make the edits, okay? I've been editing your sheet as we go along, and when you change something it erases my changes.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:59:32 PM)
Oh.. I'm sorry
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:59:37 PM)
It's no big deal.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 4:59:42 PM)
I thought I was suppose to be makign the changes
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 4:59:52 PM)
Nope, no worries.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:03:08 PM)
I got to thinkign about how much stock his grandfather put into Pure breeding and I realized Jesse's Grandfather woudl ahve been very dissappointed that His Grandson did not Change. I also think thats why Jesse trys to be as good as any GArou... because he feels he has to prove something to his Grandfather.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:03:26 PM)
Okay. That puts us as 30 freebies, -5 for flaws = 25. So you have 4 freebies to get rid of, still. Additionally, I need you to find a background dot to put into Allies somehow, in order to have your land, because you can't have resources.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:03:26 PM)
ANd I think Jesse is a little bitter about not beign chosen to change.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:04:16 PM)
I would lean toward reducing PB to 4 to do that. That's still a lot of PB.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:05:09 PM)
Wait, I didn't see that you also put another dot in Tribal Lore. You took 5 freebies from dropping the Dexterity, and then spent 6. That's not helping us. :)
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:05:29 PM)
I dunno what I'm doing any more
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:05:33 PM)
LOL
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:05:51 PM)
Okay. Remember - all Abilities, even secondaries, are 2 points. So you put 4 dots in Enigmas and 2 dots in tribal lore, so that's 6.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:05:52 PM)
Next time I make a character I'm using pen and paper first then transfering the data
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:06:42 PM)
Here's my suggestion. Drop either a dot of Enigmas or Tribal Lore. Drop a Talent dot somewhere. Drop the Gall Merit. Change PB 5 to PB 4 and add a dot of allies. That would balance you out.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:08:38 PM)
Let me know what you want to do, and I"ll make the changes. :)
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:12:09 PM)
Drop Animal Ken to 1, Drop Enigmas to 1,
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:12:18 PM)
I really want him to have Gall
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:12:36 PM)
So I need to figure out where to move somethign around for him to have it
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:13:21 PM)
And I guess we can move the PB 5 down to PB 4, Could he still have the Glacial blues eyes, or is that only present in werewolves?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:13:29 PM)
He can have the blue eyes.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:14:05 PM)
Oh Boy!
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:14:16 PM)
I'm going to make the warning about Gall now, the same warning I give to every Kin who claims it: Gall is NOT an excuse to mouth off to Garou. Ever.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:14:26 PM)
Nor is it an excuse to ignore intimidation rolls.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:14:29 PM)
Or Rage.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:14:43 PM)
It says in teh Merit that show backbone, while still being polite
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:14:49 PM)
Exactly.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:15:06 PM)
I just read over it to see if I could live without it
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:15:06 PM)
However, a lot of people will use it as an excuse, "Well, she has Gall, so she could totally tell the Ahroun to go suck a dick!"
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:15:11 PM)
and I decided i can't
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:15:15 PM)
It doesn't work like that.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:15:35 PM)
Understood.. I'm just not as easily cowed by Garou
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:15:39 PM)
It means you have a slightly easier time saying what you think around Garou, yes.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:16:45 PM)
Maybe drop Intimidation to 1?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:17:04 PM)
Actually, you know what? I'd like you to drop a combat dot.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:17:08 PM)
You have a total of 12.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:17:25 PM)
There are Ahroun who don't get sanctioned with that many.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:17:32 PM)
LOL!!!
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:17:32 PM)
The limit is generally around 9 for Garou.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:17:47 PM)
Archery or Brawl or Melee needs to drop.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:17:52 PM)
I didn't realize I had so many but you're right
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:17:58 PM)
I mean, he's only 22. Give him some time!
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:18:24 PM)
And if you can see your way to maybe bumping another dot back into Engimas or something, that would be awesome. He can't be good at *every* kind of fighting.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:18:30 PM)
We can drop melee to 1
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:18:36 PM)
Maybe just focus on brawl and archery, or archery and melee.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:19:54 PM)
Speaking of your weapons, two things: 1. Bowie Knives are not STr +2, they're STr+1. 2. And where are the stats for a compound bow that you're using there?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:20:12 PM)
I'm tryign to find it...
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:20:19 PM)
Bows aren't usually STr + anything. They're fixed damage.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:20:20 PM)
I think it's in the storytellers guid
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:20:25 PM)
let me check
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:20:47 PM)
afk for just a sec, brb.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:25:58 PM)
And back.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:26:15 PM)
World of Darkness Combat is the book that has bow in it
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:26:59 PM)
Pg 99 under Longbow
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:27:24 PM)
But it should be a short bow
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:27:29 PM)
That's not a Revised book, hon.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:27:34 PM)
So the damage needs to be modified
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:27:56 PM)
It's the only place I could find the stats for Bows in
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:28:14 PM)
There's some in the WtA core. short bows are damage 4, longbows are damage 5.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:28:26 PM)
It's be a shortbow than
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:28:32 PM)
err it'd be
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:28:37 PM)
Alrighty.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:28:45 PM)
I must have skipped over that or something, my bad
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:28:55 PM)
Page 207, the range weapons chart.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:29:52 PM)
Also, I've checked both Mage and Vampire, and I can't find a Hatred Flaw that has a social modifier instead of the frenzy risk. :/
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:30:08 PM)
No wonder I didn't see it it's right under shotguns
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:30:30 PM)
Yeah, it'd be nice if they had a BOW header.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:31:19 PM)
Boo... Well gonna have to find something else then... Maybe change it to Intolerence: White folk for 1pt
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:31:26 PM)
That we can do.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:31:32 PM)
Then all I have to do is come up with a 2 pt flaw
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:31:48 PM)
Yup.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:32:02 PM)
I'm flipping through my books to look for something useful.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:37:23 PM)
Maybe a derrangement?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:38:12 PM)
Hmmm... MAybe Driving Goal? The Prove he as as good or beter than Any garou?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:38:14 PM)
MAybe?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:39:29 PM)
That would give me 6 points on Flaws and I could buy up PB to 5 again
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:39:35 PM)
Where's driving goal again?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:39:50 PM)
Player's handbook
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:40:08 PM)
pg 11
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:40:21 PM)
What's the "Player's Handbook"?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:40:34 PM)
Sorry Player's Guide
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:40:50 PM)
2nd
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:40:54 PM)
I'm sorry, that's not a Revised book, either. We don't use merits from pre-revised.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:40:59 PM)
Or anything from pre-revised, really.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:41:03 PM)
We don't?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:41:15 PM)
The exception is the Kinfolk book, because there's no revised version.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:41:30 PM)
Uh Oh... um Ghostlin Sanct'd my Shadow lord with the flaw Driving Goal
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:41:54 PM)
I was under the impression that we didn't, anyway.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:42:25 PM)
You can check if you like.. Yuri Zharov
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:43:20 PM)
But in all things you are the Kinfolk ST so really what you say goes
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:44:21 PM)
Okay, apparently some have been allowed on a case-by-case basis. Honestly... I think it's a bad idea. I'd like this character to be playable, not dead in 3 days.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:44:44 PM)
LOL, fair point
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:45:04 PM)
Because, saying or even trying to attempt to be better than a Garou is going to get you a beating. Only not-death because you're so well bred.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:45:59 PM)
So setting the bar a bit too high for himself
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:46:46 PM)
Indeed. You've got Pure Breed, you've got Gall, but you also don't have Int 0.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:47:01 PM)
Ok... This is true, lol
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:48:22 PM)
I was thinkign it of more as a mental thing, pushing himself to be as good as any garou, tho he is just a Kinfolk... but not openly challenging or upsetting the established order, tho he does feel a bit jilted that he wasn't chosen to become a Garou.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:48:38 PM)
How about a Derrangement: Obsession?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:48:56 PM)
I'm listening, whats your Idea
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:49:28 PM)
What kind of an obessession would he have, training his mind and body to be the perfect warrior?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:49:39 PM)
Obsessed with improving himself in some specific way to prove himself to the Garou. It could be anything: learning about spirits, becoming the best at a certain form of combat.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:50:29 PM)
What that means is, anytime the character is stressed, you roll WP, diff 5. If you fail, you immediately become totally wrapped up in your obsession, you can't do anything else. So it is a bit of a dangerous flaw, but, well, that's what flaws are for.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:50:43 PM)
And, even when you're not stressed, overall that's what he thinks about a lot, and focuses his energy into.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:51:11 PM)
Ok that works out for me
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:51:16 PM)
I like it
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:52:27 PM)
Alright, let me put that in and do a final count.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:54:22 PM)
I would like to say thank you for being paticent with me, and taking the time to try and understand what I want to do with this character. I'm not going to be openly hostile with the Garou, but he is going to be a bit abrassive and uneasy to be around the White homid borns, but not the lupus born, or the NAtive Born GArou.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:54:23 PM)
What is his specific obsession?
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:54:33 PM)
I kind of suggested a few different ones there.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:55:55 PM)
For him.... Honestly I think It would be about Spirits..
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:56:05 PM)
I said I want ed him to be a spiritual person
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:57:04 PM)
*nod* Works for me. So he'll always be bugging Theurges, trying to learn from them, trying to impress them, trying to prove he's worthy of that knowledge, even as a Kin. And he'll never pass up the chance to learn, even if it might get him in trouble.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:57:46 PM)
Too true
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:57:58 PM)
So It's good he and Eyes will be together
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:58:25 PM)
She cna teach him about the spirits and he can help raise her children in teh ways of the wendigo
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:58:26 PM)
Yep...but remember he won't just confine himself to asking her...any Theurge, anyone spiritual... Probably Uktena, too, knowing that they're Elder Brother and fairly mystical...
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:58:38 PM)
Because it's a *deep* need.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 5:58:52 PM)
Oh he and Hilma are going to be best friends
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 5:59:26 PM)
Last thing! I promise! Somehow, he got the land that he lives on. Via an Ally. Who is that ally? A Uktena Kin whose family/spouse knew Jesse's mother, perhaps?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:00:04 PM)
Probabaly so, a good family friend that resected his Grandfather or his mother.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:00:10 PM)
err respected
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:03:30 PM)
She'd have to be at least a 1/4 native american tho for Jesse to accept the land
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:03:42 PM)
We can say that's the case.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:04:24 PM)
And her being a Uktena, he'd still wonder abotu the motivation for helping him out
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:04:38 PM)
But it's his land and he's happy to have it.
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:04:56 PM)
*laughs* You know, I can't believe I missed this... To have 4 additional languages, you only need Lingustics *3*. So you have one more freebie to spend. :P
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:05:08 PM)
Bump Enigmas back to 2?
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:05:18 PM)
Yeah sure
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:05:35 PM)
Why not
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:05:39 PM)
LOL
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:06:03 PM)
You're sanctioned. Go cause some trouble.
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:06:10 PM)
Oh Boy!
Jesse Dakota (Aug 18, 2010 6:06:26 PM)
Thanks Agian for everything I'll try not to let you down
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:06:32 PM)
Good luck. *salutes*
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Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:16:58 PM)
Alright, history looks good, I'm going to give the sheet a once-over.
Janus Smith (Aug 18, 2010 6:17:28 PM)
allright
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:18:11 PM)
Well Oiled Machine is a camp gift? Is it in the GW book?
Janus Smith (Aug 18, 2010 6:18:15 PM)
yes
Janus Smith (Aug 18, 2010 6:18:45 PM)
Well Oiled Running is one of two camp gifts in the GW books that are rank 1 for the DU
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:19:39 PM)
Ah ha. Okay, yep, that seems fine. We're leery of some camps at starting, but DU shouldn't be an issue.
Janus Smith (Aug 18, 2010 6:19:56 PM)
I heard the GW tribal elder is DU
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:20:34 PM)
Yes, he's also the Wyrmfoe.
Janus Smith (Aug 18, 2010 6:20:45 PM)
Good good, I'm sure I'll love him
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:20:56 PM)
He is actually friendly. For an Ahroun. :)
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:21:39 PM)
Alright, the numbers game... *counts...on fingers*
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:24:16 PM)
Consensus is...you can count properly!
Janus Smith (Aug 18, 2010 6:24:22 PM)
fantastic
Janus Smith (Aug 18, 2010 6:24:47 PM)
that totally qualify me to spend more IRL xp in Int
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:26:30 PM)
Thanks for having the details on the backgrounds *right* *there*. This is the cleanest sheet I've seen in a while. *stamps* You're good.
Janus Smith (Aug 18, 2010 6:26:48 PM)
Thanks kindly, I used to be an ST as well a while back
Golden (Aug 18, 2010 6:26:54 PM)
*nod*
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