Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:09:36 PM)
(This user has entered Penance to Stag) (IP = 24.172.254.64)
Windseeker (Aug 17, 2011 7:11:18 PM)
((Reminder to me....your first leg of this was someone summoning Stag Incarna to ask what could be done?))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:11:25 PM)
((yes))
Windseeker (Aug 17, 2011 7:12:11 PM)
((Who would do this Hilma? Pack theurge?))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:13:07 PM)
((hilma, pack theurge isn't active right now as a player))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:15:29 PM)
*would be on the bawn, looking for Hilma, had a large basket with him*
Windseeker (Aug 17, 2011 7:15:32 PM)
*You have been brought to the primary rituals circle in the sept. After having been Ritesmaster here for decades it is the most comfortable place for the elder Uktena to work. She finds your request odd, but where as she might dismiss the personal issues of a claith, she listens and agrees to help you. Sometimes problems with spirit is as much about individual perception as it is true ire of the spirit broods.*
Windseeker (Aug 17, 2011 7:18:32 PM)
(This user is now known as Grandmother Hilma)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:18:33 PM)
*would offer her the basket, as payment, if she'd take it, which was full of herbs from his garden - and ones he'd found out in the bayou as well that he knew a theurge might find useful*
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:20:18 PM)
Your gift is appreciated. Now this debt or disfavor you feel you owe to Stag. What lead to this assumption? I only ask because I have never sensed direct ire from any particular totem brood here towards yourself or your pack. Usually if things are major enough I hear of it or feel it.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:20:56 PM)
"Something I did in Magid. under another name. I dont know if the story travelled, if it didnt, i'm rather grateful for it. Can I ask that you not repeat this?"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:21:43 PM)
As long as it brings no harm to the protectorate I'll keep what you say in due confidence.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:22:17 PM)
"There was a time in Magid when, well, sanity was not my strong suit, but, there was a Fianna who ..gave us cause to believe he was a spy."
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:22:49 PM)
*Though quiet, and even beginning to shrink with age the woman is keenly inteligent, moves well dispite her years, and has that calm sort of power that commands respect without screaming it*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:23:15 PM)
"It got.dumped in my hands at the time, despite that..well, it shouldn't have been. To deal with him. Which I did, but..the method of questioning is one I'm ashamed of. During the course of dealing with him I ..mistakenly began to think he was a spiral."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:24:07 PM)
"And given that he wouldnt answer to most any other methods I knew, I took a play out of the shadowlords book, or perhaps the spirals own, depending on how you view slowly torturing someone with silver. As it turns out, he wasn't fallen. He was one of stag's brood. Mildly crazy, but crazy doesnt make fallen."
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:24:35 PM)
It was a time of war?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:24:41 PM)
"It was."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:24:58 PM)
"But it is always War near seattle"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:25:03 PM)
This same war that almost took Talisman's Seekers life before the tribe ordered her out of that protectorate?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:25:22 PM)
*nodded* "The same war that nearly took bright voice, and took most of the previous members of relentless"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:25:45 PM)
"There...I am fairly certain at least two different if not three different groups of spirals in that city. and one of them came back after death."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:25:53 PM)
"as spirits."
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:26:11 PM)
You should have asked the spirits for aid. In gifts, in recognizing deception sometimes their strength excedes our own capabilities.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:26:43 PM)
"I should have. or I should have simply knocked him out and kept watch until I could get theo ther elders to help."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:26:47 PM)
"I know."
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:27:19 PM)
Torture....a distastful option I agree. And this Fianna was too mentaly deteriorated to understand the seriousness of the situation?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:27:50 PM)
No, I think..I think he understood the seriousness of the situation but viewed himself as a martyr for not answering my questions
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:28:06 PM)
((Uktena can and will use torture....LoL especially to learn enemy secrets, they are like the Lords only with a purer motive))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:28:09 PM)
I cannot guarantee that, but, he was coherent at least and I certainly didnt suprize him.)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:28:29 PM)
(honestly if Hilma can convince tristan to forgive himself and stag *sin't* pissed at him, i'm okay with this option as well)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:28:43 PM)
(it's about redemption. not how it's achieved. not to ruin your plans. i'm followin your lead here)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:29:30 PM)
And ..i'm not sure how much it matters in the whole scheme that's certainly not what I *started* with.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:29:53 PM)
Perhaps we should ask Stag. Times of war can shadow our deeds. What is contemptable in times of peace can become necessary in times of war.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:30:21 PM)
I worry that way is the way of the White Howlers though...or at least a way to becoming the same. Not to..doubt your words.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:30:31 PM)
But yes, if we could, that...woule be good. *eyebrows furrowed*
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:32:10 PM)
The White Howlers........ dark reflections always. Realize I'll need to summon something more powerful that the usual Jaggling. Perhaps even totem level for it to have enough shared consciousness with their spirit Father.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:32:32 PM)
This will take time.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:32:38 PM)
Sit have some tea.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:33:04 PM)
*nodded * Thank you *and he did sit, and in fact, had some tea!*
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:35:38 PM)
*After hours of work suddenly you look up to see a ghostly image of a stately Stag looking at you, the creature is the size of an elk. And it's manifested Earth side.* Shadowbreak meet ...... well his name translates something like Outrider of the Herd. Outrider might do....he is one of Stags servitors.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:37:11 PM)
*nodded and stood up, to bow deeply to the spirit* "I appriciate you coming" *said to the spirit, figured Hilma could translate if she thought it needed to be done* What I wish to ask is, if..Stag would wish my atonement for what I did to one of his Tribe. and if so, what he would ask of me to achieve that."
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:38:35 PM)
*the spirit speaks garou tongue denoting it's strength* You acknowledge a debt owed. There is one who cries among the lost. Who knows only despair when light and a warriors life had awaited him. His teacher is dead. He lies in bondage. A life taken in error, restore a life lost to Stag and all is balanced.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:39:38 PM)
*nodded* "Is there any hint as to where he is, or how I can recognize or find him?"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:39:41 PM)
((the spirits probably don't actually care that Tristan helped kill a crazy Fianna, but they want someone rescued and are opportunitic as the next person, you made yourself a lovely tool))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:39:52 PM)
((coggies. they're like that sometimes))
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:41:18 PM)
In the spirit world, where factories poison, and the weaver and Wyrm fight like dogs to reap the last morsel of life out of a dying realm. A Blighted Scar upon the Umbra.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:42:30 PM)
*low whistle, knew of the place, not that he didn't find it fair* "And ...his name?"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:42:43 PM)
The child must be found before his fades. Too long lost and he'll become just another shadow slave of that realm. Not retrievable to walk earth again.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:43:26 PM)
Jeffrey Donavon.....no deeds yet sing in his name. He is too young.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:44:55 PM)
*the Stag shifts shape, you see a 13-14 year old boy, chestnut brown longest hair, light freckles, hazel eyes. Jeans and T-shirt*
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:45:11 PM)
*the image fades as the Stag stands there again*
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:45:58 PM)
His first change came. His teachers found him. But they lost the moon paths back to there cearn. The Scar killed his teachers and the boy is lost within it.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:46:07 PM)
"I understand. thank you."
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:47:25 PM)
When the boy is recovered all is balanced. It matters not if he finds home with your sept or another. But he must know the light of his heritage and tribe.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:48:28 PM)
*the spirit fades as he walks and is gone*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:49:02 PM)
*whuffed softly, mostly thinking, or appeared to be thinking*
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:49:09 PM)
*Hilma looks at you, she almost shakes her head, perhaps even Sarah's often repeated words chime in the back of Tristan's thick skull: "Never give the spirits a blank check".*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:49:33 PM)
"I know, i'm an idiot in your eyes"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:49:39 PM)
"It's about more than what stag things, though."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:49:52 PM)
"*I* would consider it an even trade." (thinks, even)
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:50:32 PM)
*Hilma shrugs* No idiotic is telling Stag to go fornicate with goats or something. Unwise perhaps but I've seen deeper holes.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:51:15 PM)
I could tell before this spirit consultation was more for YOUR spirit than Stags.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:52:01 PM)
"I'd kinda like both him and me to consider the matter atoned for."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:52:10 PM)
"yeah."
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:52:28 PM)
And sometimes I assist in healing minds and spirits by letting garou decide there paths.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:52:55 PM)
"School of Hard Knocks I believe others have called it" *wry small grin, he wasn't making fun of her, just himself*
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:53:05 PM)
As long as the paths aren't inherantly destructive. And I don't think yours is. As there is another life at stake.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:53:11 PM)
"That too."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:53:35 PM)
"That's a terrible way to die. Alone, confused, and lost in an umbral realm not even a cliath"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:53:37 PM)
I would advise perhaps your pack assist you in this. It's a dangerous realm.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:53:45 PM)
"I ..was thinking the same thing myself"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:53:51 PM)
(i dont think i can grab them on the spot tonight though?)
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:54:15 PM)
((I don't desire to hang on to Blues for weeks either....))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:54:24 PM)
((no i know))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:54:32 PM)
(ahm, hrm.)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:54:39 PM)
(tell you what, how about this?)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:54:52 PM)
(*if* it works for you very soon, i'll get them together)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:55:04 PM)
(if not, we could hand it to another st? i wouldnt be upset. or we can figure something else out)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:55:12 PM)
(that *doesnt* require you be on the hook
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:55:26 PM)
((Can you get them together by the weekend?))
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:55:31 PM)
((Just one or two?))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:55:36 PM)
((i'm only aiming for 2)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:55:43 PM)
((lukas and andy or one or the other as they are the active ones))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:55:52 PM)
((i should be able to grab them i am thinking sunday or monday))
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:55:53 PM)
((Could run stuff Saturday evening....Friday is out cuz I'm going on a Jazz cruise))
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:56:31 PM)
((Sunday evening? I'd be willing...though do me a favor and WRITE THE SCENE TIME DOWN in a giant sticky note by your computer or whatever it takes.))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:56:45 PM)
(lets try for that and yes writing it down now)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:56:47 PM)
(i'm sorry)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:56:49 PM)
(i know i owe you big)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:56:56 PM)
(i'll make you knitted somethings?)
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:56:57 PM)
((not mad just if I schedule it I want it to happen))
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:57:23 PM)
((Tristan can give Sarah knitted baby shit!))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:57:39 PM)
(that's actually what i'm knitting now, a baby cardigan))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:57:42 PM)
(but i'm serious, i feel wretched)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:57:47 PM)
(i could make you a stuffed angry birdy?)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:57:55 PM)
(orrrr mittens or a scarf)
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:58:06 PM)
((Don't worry about it.))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:58:19 PM)
(okay. thank you hun and i will get back to you asap on exact time and all)
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:58:24 PM)
((Try to get at least one other with you...Scar can be a bitch))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:58:26 PM)
(i'm going to leave a message for auggy and lukas RIGHT NOW)
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:58:57 PM)
((though....if you know a claith or two Tristan likes.... you are free to invite some newbs in for the experience))
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 7:59:13 PM)
((we got alot of newbs))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 7:59:14 PM)
((i dont but lukas knows one or two so i'll relay that))
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:00:20 PM)
*Hilma nods to herself* I doubt the life of the boy is in danger so much as his....spirit. A year or two enslaved there and he could disconnect. Fade. A danger all umbral travelers face. Stag would indeed lose him.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:00:35 PM)
"That's, a kind of death"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:00:38 PM)
"really at least to me"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:00:39 PM)
It is.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:01:03 PM)
"Thank you, Hilma, for, helping me with the request"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:02:54 PM)
You are welcome. Your moral difficulties are not near as bad as some of the challenges I've assisted with. That Seattle war.....it left many scars it seems. Ones not seen.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:03:18 PM)
It sounds like you had weak elders.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:04:08 PM)
"We did. At the time I was master of the challenge"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:04:13 PM)
At least that is how it was described to me. Infighting, political posturing. A few Lords more interested in furthering there own power base then the war at hand.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:04:15 PM)
"And..often did the jobs of nearly every other elder.."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:04:37 PM)
"For a time i was unofficially both master and truthcatcher and given some odd rules about who and how i was allowed to punish anyone"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:04:58 PM)
You should read Sarah's Journals on the subject. Not that you could read the tongue she records in.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:05:02 PM)
"While at the same time occasionally making war plans , reports of incursions on the bawn, and....."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:05:29 PM)
"Perhaps. I lived it once. I'm trying to sort of get over it and put it behind me where it belongs"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:05:41 PM)
"This is..one of the last things that still bothers me deeply about those ..well. years"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:07:15 PM)
"But, thank you hilma. i'm going to go try to find my packmates and prepare. unless there's something else you need of me?"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:07:32 PM)
*she nods* Sarah says you are paranoid about Lords. From her reports on those here, only one pack is organized enough to be truly effective but the interesting thing is there totem. There totem demands they support and be loyal to effective leadership. It is something that can be exploited by wise minds.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:07:43 PM)
I thought I'd share certain observations.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:08:10 PM)
"I appriciate that. I might sleep slightly better. and...one might call it that"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:08:23 PM)
"There are two things, that.....well lets say lords are a step above spirals in my book"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:08:41 PM)
"But only one. and that greased rooves and razor wire are equally effective on both, conviniently enough"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:08:53 PM)
"fences, that is"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:09:37 PM)
"But i'm glad the local lords...dont have the combination of ability and aspirations of what the lords in Magid did"
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:11:47 PM)
Individuals among certain tribes might be down right contemptable. And certain tribes do foster a philosophy of amoral methodologies. But the important thing to understand is what core heart beliefs motivate them. Sarah says......the Stormcrows would never betray a sept to the wyrm, would never weaken a sept with infighting due to there totem. Not that they aren't amoral and or all that trustworthy, but you really should look with clearer eyes.
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:12:45 PM)
I can't ignore the intelligence they gathered that saved this sept from a surprise assault. We preveiled because we were prepared.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:13:06 PM)
I didnt know they'd done that, actually.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:13:27 PM)
I'l try to take a second look at their tribe then. *and he bowed, and headed out*
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:13:52 PM)
((there pack Galliard really does need to do his job :P))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:14:23 PM)
((that too! thank you and i will get back to you asap re time. i have a post it note and message has already eben left)
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:14:42 PM)
((OK I am thinking next Sunday at 8:30 PM EST))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:14:43 PM)
(and the post it is huge and on my monitor. you cant miss it)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:14:53 PM)
(it's right next to the one that says dont post on soapbox)
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:15:00 PM)
((LoL))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:15:11 PM)
(*hugs*0
Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:15:13 PM)
((Once I am free of blues....I'll post where I wish))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:15:21 PM)
(well yes)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:15:26 PM)
(but the post it note is for *me*)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:15:36 PM)
(later! thank you! sorry again!)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 17, 2011 8:15:43 PM)
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Grandmother Hilma (Aug 17, 2011 8:15:53 PM)
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