Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:00:26 AM)
Yes.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:02:02 AM)
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Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:02:11 AM)
(he ghosted XD)
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:02:12 AM)
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Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:02:26 AM)
Sorry, I hate it when I do that, and I'm not even a digi newb.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:02:39 AM)
Reposting: Ghostlin, it is August 3 at midnight exactly. Do you acknowledge you're here of your own free will for a friendly discussion about the matter we've discussed?
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:03:32 AM)
Um...yes.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:06:25 AM)
.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:06:43 AM)
Alrighty. Well, I think the best way to do this for now is for Yama to state his case, and what result he might like out of this moderation.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:09:22 AM)
I'm asking Golden to join us.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:09:31 AM)
Alright.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:09:37 AM)
Since the other issue I had her working on has ended.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:10:16 AM)
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Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:10:39 AM)
Hello. Apologies for not being here earlier, but was answering some player questions about a scene I ran the other night.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:12:45 AM)
okay, reposting-ish. I asked Yama Kaze to give his case on events, and what result he might like out of this moderation. He's proibably typing that atm.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:13:26 AM)
OK.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:14:19 AM)
Everyone's got strong feelings of course, but we're all rational people here, so I'm confident we can at least have a civil talk.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:14:39 AM)
My case is simple- I feel like I was shut out of the venue, nothing of mine given even cursorary investigation or review for 'preceived snark' because I commented I THOUGHT (the exact term, reviewing the conversation is 'figured') someone was being rude to me and I reacted accordingly.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:16:43 AM)
The fact that Ghostlin came on and didn't even acknowledge my existence for the duration of his time on, and the next thing is I logged in to handcuffs and a rejection- not based on lack of knowledge or caps exceeded, but because of preceived snark on my part- which extended from a second conversation of me attempting to make a second go of it, and let the bad feeling shake off and come at it from a different angle.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:17:22 AM)
I'm going to let Golden speak first and then I'll answer that.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:18:46 AM)
That's not to be cheeky. Her side of the story is roughly 300% more important than my short answer to that.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:20:27 AM)
Fair enough. I think it's exceptionally problematic to jump to those kinds of conclusions based off of a question. In and of itself, the original snark might not have been an issue, but when I explained why I was asking you the questions I brought up, you did attempt to explain your reasoning...but what I got from that was you attempting to justify that, in certain circumstances - the ST being someone you dont' know well, the responses being shorter than you like - it's totally acceptable to be rude to an ST, let alone another player. To me, that communicated arrogance and an unwillingness to compromise. I warned Ghostlin, at that point, that you'd reacted pretty unpleasantly to my attempts to presanction your character, because I think that's important for the team to know.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:24:13 AM)
is that your whole comment, Golden?
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:24:25 AM)
Inded, characterizing basic questions as the equivalent to "DIAF" suggests an irrational overresponse to even minor conflict that doesn't bode well for someone who wants to play a rare character type. Your exception form communicated the same level of dismissive superiority on your part, to my reading. I get that maybe your dander was up, so to speak, but instead of defusing the situation when I gave you the opening, you didn't. So, two conversations and one FPM, heavy on the snark? That did not impress me. And, yes, I'm done.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:25:06 AM)
okay. Ghostlin?
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:25:41 AM)
My reasoning was really simple: Golden is a trusted member of my ST team. I do not tolerate rudeness, abuse or snark with my STs. I have a zero tolerance policy for it, acutally. They don't get paid for what they do, and a part of me wishes I could pay them. Paired with that; once there seemed to be a slight issue with the form carrying on a rather beillergent and dismissive tone to a process I wrote up, I'll admit I'm not inclined to necessarly want to work with you by giving you something that is, admittedly, special.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:27:27 AM)
I bleed for this venue (not in the literal sense), and I wrote a good part of the rules and regulations myself. I think they're fair, I don't think it's too much to ask, and if you have a problem with rudeness with my STs, I'm willing to hear you out with screenshots and address the issue. I don't tolerate player abuse either.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:27:55 AM)
lemme know when you're done, Ghostlin.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:28:00 AM)
And that's my piece.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:28:10 AM)
ok. now for mine.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:29:01 AM)
On the positive side of the account, I'm very pleased everyone agreed to t his moderation. The situation doesn't need to be reactionary, and at least we're all willing to talk. That wouldn't happen in certain places, we all know that. So thanks to each of you for showing up.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:30:19 AM)
On the negative side of the account, I have to say Yama - I'm completely for free speech. And I am one of the first to vent when I get angry about something. I do wish you hadn't made a large issue of it in the ooc room, and I do wish you hadn't made it a matter of "I'm going to put this up on RPGsoap". This makes the entire thing awkward, as I'm sure you're aware. That said, my ambivilance caused by that is definitely reduced because you were willing to come talk.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:30:20 AM)
It's all good. May I take my screenshots and FPM evidence to the soapbox to share with my fellow gamers now, Allegory? As I have met the condition you requested.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:30:49 AM)
er, we haven't finished the talk yet. I had a question for everyone.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:30:54 AM)
As it is a justifible review of a brand new gamer starting from the first PM sent.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:31:41 AM)
We have nothing to hide.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:32:04 AM)
You may, in fact, post whatever you like of anything I have said or will say.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:32:21 AM)
Exception Form:
Character's Name: Yama Kaze
Player's Name: Brandon
Exception(s) wanted: Stargazer
Link to Sheet: http://www.sinful-illusions.com/?page_id=119
Link to Character Background: FPM'd previous.
Werewolf Experience: Pre-Digichat, Pre-HTML. How about we leave it at this: My longest running character in WtA had to be converted to a new scale of renown to make it fit the system. Yeah...
What makes you think you could play this exception type well?: Possession of all books which have Stargazer related information, significant experience with Werewolf: The Apocalypse and related sub-venues.
Why do you want to play this exception type?: Recently did a study for my cultural anthropology class about the cultures of north eastern Eurasia and more precisely for my report I did it on the 'Wandering Monks' of Tibet that travel throughout Europe/Asia/Africa/Middle East until the 1900's. Makes me think of how many of those men could have actually been Stargazers and just WHAT they were doing. Filtering this throug
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:32:23 AM)
Fair enough, if you feel you must. We'll likely be posting this discussion as well to provide context, to show we're not one-sided about things.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:32:28 AM)
Ditto on that score, for the record.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:32:58 AM)
h a tale of tragedy more-so than most Metis whom survive could relate, it provides impetus for a strong character archetype that brings verisimilitude and aids in the suspension of belief and immersion in the role-playing experience for those whom play with me.
Are you aware that by playing an exception character, you are promising to be active and a productive member of the Sinful Illusions community?: Not certain I am promising to be active more-so than social life and storyteller circumstances dictate. I won't hang around on an empty chat for hours on end, I do have an ST position elsewhere that requires my time. However, I feel that I will be more than a productive member and as active as the needs of IRL dictate.(Read: When Pack/ST's/Players are active, I'll usually be around)
What do you feel would be the hardest part of playing this character type?: Significant reliance upon others of the pack to take care of anything more than the most basic distanced interactions in human society. Not only high rage,
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:33:12 AM)
Interestingly enough, I did submit that to Allegory this afternoon and I still have a copy.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:33:45 AM)
but a thick scaled hide reminiscent of a crocodiles, on top of being a metis, on top of being 'diluted' blood from the iconic leaders of the Garou nation. Social interactions will certainly be the hardest as there will be few to none outside the pack whom accept such an abominable looking thing as worthy of merit or acclaim or even respect.
Do you have any questions for us? Why do you currently have no Stargazers at all? How often would an ST be willing to play an ancestor spirit whom is ashamed and dishonored by the 'thing' he sired? Do people on SI abuse Pure Breed that much in social rolls that it has become an unbalancing game mechanic that requires such heavy restriction? How long should be waited from an XP request being 'overdue' before it should be brought to a storytellers attention? What is your schedule usually as a storyteller(I.e: what times(and what time zone..) are you most active? How likely is it that my character can learn the level 1 ritual: Rite of Feeding the Ghosts (pg. 110. Hengyokai: S
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:33:59 AM)
hapeshifters of the East)? This last question asked with full awareness of the lack of useage of the book otherwise in the venue, though the rite seems almost tailor made for the stargazer mindset, even if the 'benefit' of the rite is trite and not particularly useful? If it wouldn't be allowed on the basis of it simply being from that book, how likely would it be for a character whom advanced in rituals and occult to be able to create the rite themselves?
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:34:16 AM)
I wanted my 'heavy snark' filled exemption form included in this discussion as well.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:35:22 AM)
As to me, that does not seem to include 'dismissive superiority'
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:35:35 AM)
You want to tell you what parts of it I found dismissive?
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:35:42 AM)
Not at all.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:35:45 AM)
You're not Golden.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:36:30 AM)
Also- my various packmates would like to come in and speak. Before we all leave to our seperate ways as well.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:36:42 AM)
*before you all leave to your seperate ways
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:36:44 AM)
While my purpose here is not to pass the buck, it was not my decision to deny your exemption form. That decision does rest in Ghostlin's hands, so you may prefer to hear from him, since his opinion is the one that matters.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:37:14 AM)
This is between you and us; not your packmates and us.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:38:21 AM)
well, before we decide that, Ghostlin, a quick questionf or YK
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:38:37 AM)
YK - what do your packmates want to say, in general terms, that contributes?
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:39:35 AM)
They merely wished to speak with the assembled group after we were finished.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:39:39 AM)
We're trying to come to an accord. I'll be real honest here: your argumentive tone isn't helping me to see my way clear in granting you an exception. A simple, "I'm sorry you misunderstood me, that's not what I meant, I meant this..." would of have sufficed and I would have uncuffed you by now. Or even 'there's been a misunderstanding, I meant this...' would of be fine.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:39:55 AM)
I tried that.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:40:11 AM)
The second conversation. Hoping it was, in fact, miscommunication.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:40:22 AM)
Which second coversation?
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:40:53 AM)
No, you justified your response. You didn't apologize, or say you meant something different, you said there were reasons you assumed I was being rude, and that made it okay for you to be rude back.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:41:24 AM)
I didn't need to apologize because I did not intentions of malicious mannerisms or offense.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:41:30 AM)
*I had no intentions
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:42:07 AM)
Justification and excuses are two seperate things. I spoke of my preception, as one side of that conversation, to you. And my examples were misconstrued and used in a negative fashion.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:42:56 AM)
I don't see how 'I don't know you from my previous chat experience, hence it's ok for me to be rude,' to be postive.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:42:59 AM)
Such as- "I don't know you" meaning if I don't know an ST I should be able to be rude to them. When, to most people whom have reviewed the conversation that was broken down into- "I don't know you, so I don't know if you are being rude or just busy/curt/quick"
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:43:24 AM)
Please identify that quote in any of the screenshots of that conversation Ghostlin-
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:43:32 AM)
As that was -not- what was said.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 12:43:42 AM)
Everyone, keep it civil.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:44:32 AM)
Honestly, I didn't take screenshots of the conversation, nor have they been shared with me. Because I didn't think it was anything that could possibly warrant any remarkable reaction. Hence, I don't recall what was said specifically.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:44:34 AM)
I feel that I am expected to apologize which, unless one is in a frame of mine to 'Look' for malicious intent in my wording, there was none.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:44:35 AM)
I still fail to see how 'I don't know you', even it is most distilled form equals 'I think I misunderstood you, let's talk about this.'
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:45:01 AM)
That was WHY there was a second conversation with Golden, Ghostlin.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:45:36 AM)
That's why the 'Justification' that is quoted(Sometimes erroneously) exists as a point spoken of by Golden.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:46:09 AM)
Because it was me notifying her that everything had been done, everything I could think of, and check(Very politely I might add) if there was anything else that was required or would be needed.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:46:23 AM)
That may have been how, in fact, you may have taken that to be as your communication. However, she did not, and you didn't bother to clarify yourself.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:46:55 AM)
At which point I let you know that there was nothing else, and that I was getting a snarky vibe from you, and that maybe I was misinterpreting. I tried to meet you halfway.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:48:39 AM)
She did not receive the private message from me that was in response to her inquiring as to if she felt I was being snarky or if she had misinterpeted? Which this 'justification' was also in that began with- "I think we have just had a communication failure between us as I had felt you were rude to me, delivering single word answers that came off as curt..."
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:49:05 AM)
And the rest continuing with my 'justifications' for why I would not be able to differentiate if she had been rude or nasty with me, and that my intentions were not thus.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:50:12 AM)
Do you have screenshots of this, since you did want to go public with this?
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:50:15 AM)
It's fine. You both feel I was in the wrong. I can do nothing about that. I'm resting my side of this. Obviously the 'result' I had hoped for in this conversation is not a likely goal.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:50:39 AM)
They are being uploaded to photobucket so I can post them.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:50:59 AM)
Can I see them? Our chat acutally doesn't keep logs of the PMs.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:51:06 AM)
It is a digichat.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:51:16 AM)
Not every version of digi does.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:51:18 AM)
In truth...I remember the justifications, but I don't remember the "I think we just had a communication failure between us..." line.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:51:55 AM)
If you'd like, I could get SD to confirm we can't pull logs of your conversation.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 12:53:11 AM)
I know at least two other digichats active now that can't, either, for what it's worth. And, as I said, I did not keep screenshots, because I didn't think the conversation warranted it. I was puzzled, but not particularly majorly offended by the conversation.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:55:15 AM)
In fact, if you want to ask Hellbilly, you could have him confirm what I'm saying is acutally true and not a bunch of smoke to evade the issue (on the subject of digichat logs).
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:55:38 AM)
In my opinion, this current topic has become note-worthy in and of itself as that most recent comment from Golden as well as the actions taken were never at any point substantiated through screenshots or other form of evidence. If a member of the team says it is so, than it is so? I feel offended that the person whom is being accused of certain rude actions is the only person whom is expected to maintain record of it.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:56:02 AM)
Prove Your Innocence. In my opinion, a bit rough.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:56:11 AM)
Can I run a synopsis by you, Yama?
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 12:57:44 AM)
Of course, I have taken stage as it were a bit too much.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 12:59:30 AM)
Just a case by case basis. You have known your ST to be a quality person from experience from previous association with her and she comes to you about player abuse via PMs. You then receive an application riddled with odd questions questioning your opinions from PB to whether or not we have time to specifically dedicate to you that seems to tout your age and experience with digichat in what could possibly construed as a dismissive manner.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:00:29 AM)
Would you allow a player, knowing what you know, to run a special exception? We're not even talking entry to the chat, we're talking a special exception. I've not seen the meat and blood of your sheet yet.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:01:21 AM)
Or might you be a touch gunshy?
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:05:17 AM)
I do trust my staff and go to bat for them. I wear the galoshes and the umbrella for shit storms. I have in the past apologized for situations where I felt my staff was in the wrong, but I generally go to bat for them.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:06:06 AM)
I would not. I would certainly make a point to see what had upset a fellow staff-member so. I would speak with the person and see if there is some sort of issue that could be resolved through simple mediation or a easy, relaxed conversation. I try very, very, very, very, hard to not let others opinions make me react in a knee-jerk manner. I would have gone to the player and requested to hear what type of problem they had.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:06:55 AM)
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Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:07:03 AM)
Then I apologize for the 'knee jerk' reaction.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:07:09 AM)
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Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:07:14 AM)
(arghbuckets)
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:07:44 AM)
I would like to note: I was not stating your reaction was knee-jerk. However, it did seem sudden and I felt wronged by not being eligible to even have a moment of your time until this point.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:08:04 AM)
If I may butt in?
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:08:09 AM)
Go for it, Alle.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:08:59 AM)
we've all hashed over how we feel about it. from where I'm sitting it looks like a misunderstanding on both sides. Yama feels he didn't intend to be rude, Golden feels the same, neither party agrees with the others' interpretation.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:09:51 AM)
Am I out of line in suggesting that the document in question be resubmitted, and given a grace review? Would it hurt the game to do that?
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:10:36 AM)
Tell you what, I'll do you one better.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:10:55 AM)
I'll approve the application, but it goes through the standard sanctioning process.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:12:31 AM)
while I know it's impossible to -actually- start over, can we at least operate from a case of cool respect if this goes forward, rather than anyone looking for reasons to find fault then? does that sound reasonable, Yama?
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:13:38 AM)
If you'd like, I could ask another ST to sanction you. Crypt or Saph could do it.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:14:55 AM)
You can review the sheet currently if you'd wish. However, the questions I had in the exemption form still stand as those are questions that concern me(In relation to the sheet itself, naturally.)
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:15:09 AM)
I would prefer if you did it, Ghostlin.
Zhaed (Aug 3, 2010 1:15:12 AM)
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Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:15:23 AM)
As that is, the normal method for special characters, correct?
Zhaed (Aug 3, 2010 1:15:28 AM)
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Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:16:20 AM)
Normally. Yeah. I was concerned you'd think I'd be slanted against you, but I'd be willing to sanction.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:16:42 AM)
After the exception goes through, not to be dismissive, it's a sheet, more or less.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:17:08 AM)
If I felt that way, in all honesty, wouldn't it be a bit silly of me to want to play in a venue but not trust the Storytellers enough to sanction me?
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:17:18 AM)
If Golden wishes to do it, she may.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:17:34 AM)
If you guys are all busy I can easily move back to OOC and wait
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:18:00 AM)
Um, that depends. Apparently a lot of my job is delivering a lot of unhappy news that players don't like to hear.
SignalDancer (Aug 3, 2010 1:18:31 AM)
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Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:18:50 AM)
No snark there, it's just how it's been lately. Let me uncuff you.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:19:00 AM)
now, before we're done.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:19:15 AM)
It'll take me a minute to do.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:19:33 AM)
So go right ahead, allegory.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:19:43 AM)
this in no way prevents you from posting on RPG soapbox, Yama. I wouldn't dream of it. However, I do hope you will acknowledge that we've gone out of our way to try and meet you along with this, and any post you make will reflect that.
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:20:15 AM)
regardless of where the original fault lies (which I think is just a mutual misunderstanding), we have taken steps to meet you along with, yes?
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:22:01 AM)
Of course.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:22:16 AM)
If you log out and in, you will have the unsanctioned icon. You will not be cuffed. I'll note your exception application has been approved, which I did right now.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:22:31 AM)
And...I can answer most of the questions on your application.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:22:37 AM)
I will be right back for that?
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:22:53 AM)
K
Allegory (Aug 3, 2010 1:22:55 AM)
alright. This is not my venue, so my role in this is done. Apologies if I have caused undue inconvenience to anyone.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:23:06 AM)
It is fine, thank you allegory.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:23:08 AM)
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Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:23:37 AM)
Golden, you're free to go or stay, since you are an ST of the venue.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:23:42 AM)
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SignalDancer (Aug 3, 2010 1:24:02 AM)
Anybody wanna give me a summary?
SignalDancer (Aug 3, 2010 1:24:13 AM)
(no i was not here the whole time i just got home)
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 1:24:39 AM)
Sorry. I had to step away for a moment; my housemate just put a hole in the wall of my house. *pinches bridge of nose*
SignalDancer (Aug 3, 2010 1:24:46 AM)
sokay
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:24:48 AM)
Giantic communication misunderstanding. I have agreed to accept the exception application as is and put him through sanctioning.
SignalDancer (Aug 3, 2010 1:24:56 AM)
seriously? okay.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:24:59 AM)
To my knowledge- there was a misunderstanding that has been resolved.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 1:25:07 AM)
Yep, that's about the sum of it.
SignalDancer (Aug 3, 2010 1:25:08 AM)
Alrighty then.
SignalDancer (Aug 3, 2010 1:25:41 AM)
if everyone thinks it's settled then that's all i really wanted/needed to know
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:25:47 AM)
To answer your first question, Yama: we do have one Stargazer, but his player is MIA.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:25:55 AM)
for like...two weeks.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:25:58 AM)
Ick.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:26:14 AM)
Or maybe one. There are some outside influences bound up with that.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:26:54 AM)
So, no, not negatively disposed to the tribe, but the fact that only like, 500 some exist makes them rare.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:28:10 AM)
I certainly agree to that.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:29:17 AM)
The second question is a tough one to answer. Ideally, if this was TT, I'd badger you everytime I was on. Unfortunately it's NOT, and while I'm still trying to figure some of the more finer points of being a HST time budgeting out, I can't assign a ST full time. I recommend heartedly you BB and scene request when you can.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:29:54 AM)
There are 6 of us and 70 sanctioned characters (this is true; SD gave me the headcount today)
SignalDancer (Aug 3, 2010 1:30:02 AM)
100
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:30:10 AM)
When you count Kin, yes.
SignalDancer (Aug 3, 2010 1:30:12 AM)
70 are garou, there are 30 some kin. 100 characters.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:30:52 AM)
That question was important because of a flaw I have and the sometimes...'forgotten' flaws that people let slide as an ST because, just realisticly it is impossible to keep track of every flaw on everyones sheet, and I wanted his ancestor to be an important part of the characters identity.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:31:26 AM)
If you BB it, I'll at least read it once a month. If you scene request it, it'll get my attention.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 1:31:38 AM)
Or if we're bored, we may just spring it on you. *cough*
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:31:43 AM)
That too.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:31:46 AM)
*Nod*
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:32:34 AM)
I usually get XP/renown done within a week. Less, if I'm not as busy with RL as I am now...unfortunately, I is.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 1:32:45 AM)
there is a schedule posted on the forums, for when it's done.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 1:32:48 AM)
If you didn't see it.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:34:46 AM)
I skipped the PB question. Here's my thoughts on it. When we first opened, everyone and their mother had PB 2 or higher for like weeks. Garou, Kin, everyone. It's not that the system was being abused, it was just so damned common that I half expected Lou the Bone Gnawer to sneak it in. Hence, the restriction.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:35:21 AM)
Pure Breed is a mystical/genelogical trait, and not that common.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:39:42 AM)
To answer your last question about Feeding the Ghosts: I'm nominally not letting stuff in from the Hengeyokai book on creation because mostly there aren't going to be any. Gazers are going to be it, because let's face it: this is New Orleans, not Seattle, or San Franscico which boast Asian populations. The Fera types there would be not suitable for the game.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:41:46 AM)
Understandable.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:42:03 AM)
However, if you wanted to find a teacher and learn it in game...don't care that much.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:43:07 AM)
Perfect.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:47:24 AM)
Whom will be sanctioning me, Ghostlin?
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:49:49 AM)
I'll let you choose. I *can* after I'm done checking to make sure I don't have any other issues, or if Golden's not asleep at her chair, she can do it.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:50:02 AM)
Either or.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 1:51:36 AM)
I am not asleep. However...since the tradition has been, until now, that G, you sanction the special characters as HST, I would prefer not to change tradition after a situation that's already been a little awkward. No offense to you or Yama, and I think I could do the sanctioning perfectly fairly, but...appearances are what they are.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:52:05 AM)
That's fine.
Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:52:25 AM)
I'm going to PM a man about a band.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 1:52:30 AM)
Heh.
Yama Kaze (Aug 3, 2010 1:53:54 AM)
*Kicks feet up*
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Ghostlin (Aug 3, 2010 1:59:09 AM)
You can wait in the OOC, I'm switching rooms.
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Golden (Aug 3, 2010 2:00:08 AM)
Sorry, Yama. There's been something of a line. The fallout from a scene the other day, and then another one a few days before that, has been...extreme.
Golden (Aug 3, 2010 2:00:47 AM)
Hence a great deal of OOCness and need for STs to be explaining things. So, Ghostlin is pulled in many directions.
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