The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:19:21 AM)
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Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:19:25 AM)
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The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:19:33 AM)
ok

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:19:34 AM)
so

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:19:38 AM)
Hello

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:19:39 AM)
NOW I'll check the BG

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:19:43 AM)
yay!

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:19:43 AM)
my apologies for the delay

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:19:55 AM)
umm its not very big so it should not give you a migrane

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:20:05 AM)
ill grab that drink!

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:24:53 AM)
bak

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:25:22 AM)
wb

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:26:13 AM)
nice

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:26:16 AM)
evil daddy

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:26:22 AM)
thank you!

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:26:31 AM)
almost thought of making him a flaw

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:26:37 AM)
but didnt know how long he would live

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:29:06 AM)
lol

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:29:08 AM)
gotcha

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:29:12 AM)
checking numbers now

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:29:15 AM)
I'll be slow

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:30:04 AM)
ok

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:31:06 AM)
think i put a count in my creation notes section or something i normaly do but hell i dont know i hope its all calculated correctly

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:31:35 AM)
I usually make an excel sheet anyway

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:31:39 AM)
just cause I'm anal like that

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:31:50 AM)
ohhh!!

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:36:49 AM)
im not obsessive compulsive or anything..

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:37:25 AM)
we got one small problem... and one thing I don't much like... Let me keep on checking before we work on those. :-)

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:39:31 AM)
ok!

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:39:37 AM)
open to suggestions lol

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:39:37 AM)
first, one question

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:39:40 AM)
she's a dance, right?

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:40:02 AM)
choriagrapher yes dancer but not like ballette dancer

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:40:37 AM)
ah, thus the expression

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:40:46 AM)
she has to make the coreographies

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:40:57 AM)
but you know that dancing is, actually, performance, right?

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:41:16 AM)
the book said athletics

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:41:23 AM)
dance is atheltics

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:41:33 AM)
performance is singing and instruments

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:41:53 AM)
dance is a secondary of athletics

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:42:43 AM)
hmmm, I've always seen people roll dex+performance for dancing.

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:42:46 AM)
*Checks*

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:43:31 AM)
indeed

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:43:38 AM)
dance appears as a spec for athletics

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:43:39 AM)
damn

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:43:42 AM)
:)

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:43:48 AM)
my characters are more graceful than I knew

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:43:52 AM)
Yes and people use it incorrectly all the time lol

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:44:03 AM)
they use preformance when it is athletics lol

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:44:18 AM)
I'd say they can use both, and it comes out different

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:44:24 AM)
but that's for a later discussion

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:44:44 AM)
you will need to buy that 4th dot in a skill with freebies hun, it can't be with your 11 points. those only go to 3

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:44:52 AM)
so, we'll keep that in mind for later

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:47:44 AM)
ok

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:54:19 AM)
sorry, I keep getting PMed!

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:54:23 AM)
I should be inviso or something

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:54:51 AM)
lol

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:54:57 AM)
im pacient

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:56:16 AM)
by industry influence

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:56:23 AM)
do you mean the entertainment industry?

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:57:48 AM)
yes it is what dusk told me to put

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:57:56 AM)
and its written above

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:58:01 AM)
under the backgrounds area

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:58:27 AM)
*Nods* I think the entertainment industry is more media influence than industry influence, wouldn't you agree?

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:58:29 AM)
i took the 1 allie and 1 contact for the 2 influence in entertainment industry influence

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:58:40 AM)
I'll leave a note to Dusk about it, if you agree with the change

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:58:46 AM)
and then the 1 in contacts and allies in the high society

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:58:56 AM)
she said no

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:58:59 AM)
i asked her about it

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:03 AM)
she said not meida

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:14 AM)
or dance

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:20 AM)
but enteratinment industry

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:29 AM)
we'll leave it like that for now

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:29 AM)
:)

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:32 AM)
ok

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:34 AM)
but I'll bug her about it later

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:41 AM)
and we can eventually change that

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:42 AM)
so

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 3:59:57 AM)
can't you only start with one influence at 2, the other at 1?

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:00:02 AM)
or am I remembering wrong?

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:00:18 AM)
hold on the rule was on the forums

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:00:24 AM)
wiikii

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:00:45 AM)
kay

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:01:17 AM)
Influence: Influence is capped at 2 at creation, with no more than 4 dots in total. Please keep in mind that in order to have influence in an area your character must possess the allies/contacts in order to access that influence. For example if you wish to begin with police influence 2 it would be advised to take a police ally at 1 and police contact at 1 whether these are beat cops, morgue attendants, clerks etc

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:01:33 AM)
gotcha

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:02:03 AM)
so i took the 1 allie for entertainment industry and 1 contact for entertainment industry to have the 2 points of entertainment industry influence and did the same for high society

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:03:35 AM)
okies

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:08:29 AM)
getting pmed again?

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:09:25 AM)
no

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:09:36 AM)
I'm not seeing where you spent 2 freebies, you seem 2 short for me

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:09:50 AM)
(Which is good, cause I have suggestions.))

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:10:00 AM)
okies

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:10:20 AM)
you seem to think you spent freebies to raise wp

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:10:24 AM)
but wp 5 seems right to me

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:10:32 AM)
so I have you at 13 freebies

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:11:05 AM)
ahh its said wp starts the same as your highest virtue which is 3 for me so i spent 2 to raise it to five?

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:11:25 AM)
For demon venue mortals willpower is recorded as the combination of your two highest virtues

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:11:32 AM)
not just one highest virtue

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:11:56 AM)
ohh

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:12:03 AM)
then it should be five

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:12:06 AM)
indeed

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:12:16 AM)
so, we got those 2 freebies to throw in talents

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:12:23 AM)
to pay for athletics 4

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:12:23 AM)
yes then u are right i misunderstood that

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:12:31 AM)
okay

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:12:35 AM)
but then you have to select 1 more talent.

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:12:44 AM)
okay let me look

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:13:33 AM)
dodge raised to 2 please

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:13:43 AM)
with all the dodging the evil daddy

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:13:58 AM)
it would likely be good to put in dodge or even alertness

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:14:02 AM)
lol, did he hit her?

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:14:12 AM)
alertness sounds cooler to me, but either is good

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:14:13 AM)
yeah its in the background lol

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:14:20 AM)
okay alertness

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:14:25 AM)
drop it in there

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:14:34 AM)
nah, I just saw, it's 2 already

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:14:39 AM)
so, alertness 2 and dodge 2

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:14:40 AM)
good

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:15:21 AM)
:)

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:16:10 AM)
the one thing I dislike in that sheet is manipulation 1. It doesn't look to me like she would be SO stunted at expressing herself, especially if she teaches. Manipulation isn't all lying and stuff, I know you know.

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:17:00 AM)
charisma is expressions on a stage setting manipulation is more for intimidation and lying

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:17:08 AM)
she is not intimidating nor does she lie

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:17:24 AM)
she expresses her art form

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:20:47 AM)
any time you actively seek to express yourself, including to inluence the feelings of others in positive ways (say, like when encouraging a student), it's manipulation. People tend to view manipulation as only the negative ways of influencing people and charisma as the positive ways, but charisma is more of a passive thing, it's how you are, while manipulation is active. A character with manipulation 1 can barely express himself. I hardly ever see that played out.

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:20:52 AM)
Even Jeff is manipulation 2

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:21:00 AM)
(though he might do good for a manip 1)

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:21:21 AM)
the specialties for appearence and charisma fit her concept much better then those of manipulation so sayith the 138 and 139 of the core..

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:21:41 AM)
manip 2 looks especially weird in between cha 3 and app 3. I'd love to see manip raised, either with freebies or by lowering something else.

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:21:43 AM)
there is instruction

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:22:32 AM)
its a secondary ability let me see if its in the demon players i know its in the garou players

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:22:48 AM)
I'm familiar with instruction. But it's not what I mean.

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:23:01 AM)
I'm just uncomfortable with the man 1

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:25:28 AM)
it is a manipulation + Instructions roll in the wta players guide so manipulaiton would be considered the roll with instruction

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:25:37 AM)
so give me a sec

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:26:26 AM)
sorry if I'm annoying hun.

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:26:42 AM)
no

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:26:59 AM)
its a logical move on the sheet im not opposed to things that make sence

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:27:30 AM)
trust me, I'm all in favor of the hot female chars in the venue, with cha 3 and app 3 and a nice pic like the one you got for her there on the right. ;-)

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:27:45 AM)
but yeah, the manip thing was bugging me enough to insist.

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:30:40 AM)
also... I'm removing the thrall of patrick thing, until it actually happens.

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:30:41 AM)
remove law of 1 minus 1 from survival remove the point in conscience

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:30:55 AM)
giving me 6 points

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:30:57 AM)
k

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:31:05 AM)
add the dot in manipulation

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:32:21 AM)
not sure what to do with my last dot

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:32:30 AM)
any ideas>

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:33:19 AM)
merit or something?

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:34:11 AM)
let me check.

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:37:56 AM)
approachable, maybe?

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:38:00 AM)
she seems approachable to me

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:38:49 AM)
hmm would not go against her flaw?

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:39:32 AM)
let me see the mechanics for your flaw

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:40:18 AM)
no

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:40:31 AM)
trusting means you make bad decisions when it comes to trust others

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:40:53 AM)
approachable means people find it easy to approach you... and get you to make bad decisions maybe

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:41:06 AM)
is good taste allowed?

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:41:20 AM)
thats one point

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:41:35 AM)
and it deals with impressing high society and bussiness situations

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:41:48 AM)
oh, yes

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:41:53 AM)
that is allowed and looks great

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:42:08 AM)
i would like that one it seems to fit really well and will help her with her job

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:45:09 AM)
sorry it took so long

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:45:11 AM)
it's done

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:45:16 AM)
out and back in

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:45:23 AM)
thank you!

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:45:24 AM)
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Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:46:17 AM)
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Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:46:27 AM)
Thank you!

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:46:30 AM)
would you do me the favor of rechecking your sheet, hun?

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:46:36 AM)
You where so pacient

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:46:37 AM)
and make sure everything is in the proper place?

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:46:38 AM)
and helpful

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:46:43 AM)
I was slow. >.<

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:46:48 AM)
thanks for pointing out the manipulation

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:46:54 AM)
Ehe the slowness did not bother me

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:47:16 AM)
I played a manip 1 char once, properly.

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:47:18 AM)
and it sucked

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:47:43 AM)
:)

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:47:52 AM)
well thank you!

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:47:52 AM)
You look very sexy in blue.

The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:47:57 AM)
my pleasure

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:48:03 AM)
Aww thanks! I love the blue haha!

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:48:22 AM)
thank you again!

Angelina Maria Rizzario (Nov 5, 2011 4:48:26 AM)
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The Gwarf (Nov 5, 2011 4:50:31 AM)
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