Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 8:57:36 PM)
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Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 8:58:41 PM)
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Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 8:58:53 PM)
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Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 8:59:39 PM)
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Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 9:00:31 PM)
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Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 9:00:37 PM)
HI all

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 9:00:47 PM)
Evnin folks.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 9:01:05 PM)
Hola

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 9:01:15 PM)
And on tonight's show, a rare look INSIDE a can of whoop-ass....

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 9:01:27 PM)
rawr

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 9:02:00 PM)
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Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 9:02:05 PM)
lol

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 9:02:12 PM)
Tpo Kaia's watching the screen here too, so there's an uncounted spare in here, Gabby. ;)

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:02:14 PM)
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Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:02:37 PM)
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Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:03:02 PM)
I'd scream surprise, but I think most of you expected me here. Sorry for any tardiness.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 9:03:23 PM)
>.>

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 9:04:11 PM)
yeah... you just like the abuse Ghostlin :)

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:05:43 PM)
Give folks a minute or two.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 9:07:02 PM)
::looks around at all the fenrir here:: Its got to be a trap this is not a meeting its a trap by the wyrm to get us all in one place!

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 9:07:23 PM)
Good, then he won't be able to get away.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:07:30 PM)
Yes, I'm going to ambush while I don't have blues. It's the last thing any of you will expect!

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 9:07:32 PM)
lol

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 9:07:38 PM)
lol

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 9:07:44 PM)
Keeping my eye on you then

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 9:07:48 PM)
o.O

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:08:08 PM)
Wooot Font of Postumous Glory! I R Jarl!

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:08:40 PM)
Seriously, tho', I'm not here to run Gabby's meeting. I asked to be included.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:09:35 PM)
For those of you who are curious if I'm coming back: I am coming back on the 11th. I am doing light behind the scenes stuff till then, including this and a WtA Staff meeting tomorrow.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:09:56 PM)
That's good to hear.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:10:47 PM)
I anticipate a few announcements then: but no one's in trouble and none of the timeframes for anything preannounced are changing.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 9:11:19 PM)
What do you mean by that Ghost

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 9:11:20 PM)
I learned something very important just now... you can make salmon wellington...

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:12:03 PM)
I mean that somethings are happening behind the scenes that I'm not at liberty to discuss yet. They are entirely staff related.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 9:12:13 PM)
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Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 9:12:16 PM)
oh

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 9:12:21 PM)
hey Z

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 9:12:26 PM)
hey Z

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 9:12:26 PM)
Sup people

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:12:47 PM)
Gabs, if you want to start?

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 9:13:27 PM)
Z

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:13:45 PM)
(She could be typing a wall o'text folks. This could get ugly.) ;)

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 9:14:12 PM)
*puts on the helmet and buckles down to brace*

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 9:14:18 PM)
Brace for impact!

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 9:14:24 PM)
*Grabs the wadders*

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:15:40 PM)
Rolls Trollskin*

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:16:02 PM)
Ok here we go people. I will tell you what I have planned. You can then tell me what you would like to see as players in the fenris game.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 9:18:32 PM)
...

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:18:43 PM)
Captain Jack is going to the the fenris elder, he will not be here more then a total of 6 months time, we all know alot can happen in 6 months game time, he could leave before then, but at the end of 6 months he will be leaving. 1 he is a skald he is a seeker of garou lore and legends. 2 he is the captain of a Sea Ship that I plan on useing in the future to take you all on various voyages in the umbra in searc h of glory wisdom and honor. He is in place to teach you "fenris" lore, fenris fighting styles, fenris way of life.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:19:09 PM)
But as a skald he will not be easily swayed to sit on his rump in a sept when there is so much out there for him to explore.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 9:23:24 PM)
Okay my question is why is he tribal elder and not just a elder who's visiting?

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:25:12 PM)
the minum time for a xp request to go from 3 to 4 or 4 to 5 is six months. You have plenty of pcs to train and now you have a npc whom is capable of helping you raise that stat you want to raise. I enjoy running combat as much as I enjoy running umbral adventures, spirit activities and all around good times. I would like to have some heavily tribal adventures in the very near furture like starting at the end of this week or even next monday if need be. Which will entail you all keeping track of the fenris tribal forums and placing your avilability to it in a timely fashion for up comming scenes, perhaps we can have a fenris tribal mission once a week if we can manage to all find a good time to meet, I have all the time in the world to be honest, so it would be up to you all to find the time for such a thing. As you all where the first to answer my tribal meeting time, you guys get first pick on the time and day. At the end of the six months I fully expect you all to be able to take up the renis of this elder

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:26:08 PM)
he will be able to stop in after then from time to time if you are in need of guidence but by that time you guys should be in a postion to handle things on your own.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:26:35 PM)
(I warned you all about the text wall.)

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 9:26:46 PM)
(Don't sing it, bring it.)

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:27:32 PM)
Does anyone want my shorter answer to this as well?

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 9:29:05 PM)
Love to, Ghost.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:29:40 PM)
Anna The whole "players as Elders" thing was not explained to me till After I had allready put plenty of work into capatain jack. I will be honest, I think players in minor rolls such as truth catcher wyrm foe, master of the howl and such are fine positions for players but to have players as elders of a tribe has epicly failed on more then one chat. And even on this one thus far. The sts are having a meeting tomarrow where I plan on bringing up this subject. A sept the players create and run, giving them the ability to hold all those positions of power, while keeping shared blood as a npc sept will be one of the discussions.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:32:08 PM)
Simply: we do want you guys to take over. We do. (Or, at least I do.) However, we have had issues with the one PC tribal leader acting in such a way that was questionable towards the other players, left bad tastes in their mouth. I'm not opposed in this particular instance to giving all of guidence to run the Fenrir tribe and have a smoother elder PC/other PC reaction.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:32:23 PM)
My question is why bring him in at all. Why go through all the trouble of killing the already established elder, just to have the position taken up by another NPC, that magically appears. The "fetish" asside, If the intent was for him to just take the position why go through the whole challenge facade? Why not just of had made him Athro and then no one could challenge for it? The way it happened it felt absolutely metagamed and railroaded. Lukas and I had no chance of even competing with the NPC at all because of a Fetish that does not exist in the game.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:32:46 PM)
Want the honest truth of that, Bastian?

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:32:57 PM)
Sure.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:35:41 PM)
Honest truth is simply that either Ambi or Zhaed was running the Fenrir stuff when we killed Lars. In the reassignment and the hire of folks, we changed a lot of the tribal arrangements to accomdiate the new STs. We reassigned Gabby the Fenrir, but didn't entirely tell her WHY we killed Lars off.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:36:20 PM)
Frankly, I see a lot and know a lot of stuff a brand new Narrator doesn't, and I made a bad assumption that was already common knowledge.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:36:34 PM)
Then we as players have to suffer because your system of communication failed with your ST's?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:37:12 PM)
that=what

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 9:40:08 PM)
That's not entirely the case really. At the time when Lars was killed off, it was supposed to be part of Ambients up comming Storyline for the fenrir. However, that one never really left the ground as he didn't remain a Narrator for long after that. Resurecting Lars would have been even more cheap than anything else that actually happened. Especially given the fact that some PCs didn't like lars for various reasons.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:42:48 PM)
And that, I'll never know because Ambient is no longer part of the team. I do apologize that it in fact happened in this case. Allow me to be blunt here: this could be an opportunity to get a lot of knowledge for your character, make your character a better leader, AND get a lot of free scenes in the process. We want all of the games to be as active and numerous as the Fenrir one. I will promise you this, and this is why I am here: I'll watch the game for activity myself and that Gabby delievers on her promises to make Captain Jack go away within the timeframe we discussed. I wasn't entirely happy she did it, but I want to give you an opportunity to learn from it.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 9:44:05 PM)
My question......... so why is it we can't have the players become elders now and the npc just be a visitor and be a mentor to the get elder and the others?

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:44:50 PM)
It was just explained that he we removed in part to make way for PC leadership though. And that was out OOC knowledge as well. Then we are presented with a NPC that has a home brewed fetish that does exactly what you (Z) said you did not want to see in the game. And that is people with Soak Dice possibilities over 15. Hell he has 15 soak before gifts. What is the reasoning for not stacking Luna's Armor and Trollskin now when we are running into NPC with 15 soak dice without gifts? Not to mention some of the game rules that were flagrantly discarded to make it happen, like Fetishes being active all day rather than per scene, no gnosis expenditure to activate it.. No Visisble efffect of it even being active until after the first soak roll.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 9:45:56 PM)
As i see it you could anyone except cliaths can challenge the elder for the position cliaths cant cause of a chat rule

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:50:54 PM)
I've only read logs of the scene once, and that was over a month ago. Gabs, you want to field that?

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 9:51:48 PM)
I really doubt any one of higher rank would follow a cliath reguardless if they won the challenge

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 9:53:00 PM)
When i set the rules for the challenge ic It was designed to reward the strong and the smart. when i put the restrictions on gifts. not rage not gnosis not numinen not fetishs or wepons any of those things could have been used in the challenge. cause a tribal elder needs to be strong for the fenris as well as smart enough to lead them the only one that thought outside the box on it was Lukas. ok on that note Anna why should we follow a fostern instead of a Adrian?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:54:18 PM)
Guys, we're losing focus here. Kinda.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:54:46 PM)
Sarah, the ST's NPC Master of the Challenge was suppose to guide your character in making a fair challenge. She conveniently made sure it favored her NPC coming in even though the MoC would not have done that.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 9:55:03 PM)
becuase there woulf of not been an adren elder ifthe npc was never brought it

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:55:20 PM)
Let's bring it back -slightly-. Besides retcon, what other proposal do you guys have?

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:56:09 PM)
If it is not retconned are we going to be able to attain fetishes like this one by the time we are adren. +7 soak dice that lasts all day?

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 9:56:23 PM)
Honestly I don't think that there is a fix

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 9:56:43 PM)
We just have to figure out a way to move on and accept what has already happened.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:56:54 PM)
I have a proposal.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 9:57:11 PM)
Even though most of us are not in agreeance that it should have even happened that way.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:57:53 PM)
The fetish was not rolled to activate at the beigning of the scene yes?

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 9:57:59 PM)
No

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:58:04 PM)
No it was not.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:58:29 PM)
You even said it was active from the previous scene where he gained membership to the Sept.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:58:29 PM)
That is the question the elder said he just came from proving himself to the sept for membership thus he had it activated he did not say he activated it over 24 hours ago

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 9:58:46 PM)
You stated OOC that the fetish was active for 24 hours.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:58:48 PM)
You said once active it lasts all days.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:59:00 PM)
thats like saying you get in a fight outside then move inside for another fight and have to reactivate everything

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 9:59:23 PM)
*Blows a whistle* Do you guys want to fight, or do you all want to hear my proposal?

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 9:59:27 PM)
They were clearly deliniated scenes. One having nothing to do with the other.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 9:59:47 PM)
Am waiting for proposal

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 9:59:51 PM)
the fifteen soak dice was the issue? 5 stamina + 4 crinos +6 fetish soaking

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 9:59:53 PM)
I'm listening Ghost. What's your plan?

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:00:30 PM)
One way to fix this Ghostlin is this. Since this scene took place 3 weeks ago have "Jack" during that time have Jack been on his Challenge for Athro, he's here 6 months to train replacements and then let who ever is Adren in 6 months challenge. That's the only way to do it without Retcon

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:00:30 PM)
I know it was 7 armor. It is only 3 stam for Crinos.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 10:00:58 PM)
yeah 7 my bad

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:01:11 PM)
OK folks...... we need to bring it down please and let Ghost talk.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:01:11 PM)
Can we hear the plan please?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:04:16 PM)
Here's how we do this, and let me finish. Jack announces the challenge is not yet over. As an outsider, he wants to test the Fenrir who want to lead Fenris's tribe, by observation. He will take you all to learn more about the lore and others of the people. It will end with a final test applying everything those who are interested have learned. I'm thinking a great Fetish lost to the tribe, although the first person who suggest Jarlhammer gets smited.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 10:05:25 PM)
(Damn.)

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:06:15 PM)
I will not be able to RUN any of this, I'm tired to at least two people here, but I can front suggestions.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:06:22 PM)
tired=tied

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:06:38 PM)
so then only fostern and above can do this correct

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:06:41 PM)
I will not have anna challenging ever.for tribla elder

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:06:44 PM)
tribal

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:06:58 PM)
That still makes me tied to one.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:07:04 PM)
yep :)

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 10:07:12 PM)
Sorry Ghost.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:07:19 PM)
Nah, it's ok.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 10:07:53 PM)
I'll have Lukas leave Relentless if it simplifies things for the rest of the venue.. Seems selfish to do otherwise.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:07:58 PM)
It's a good idea. But, how does it address the scene and how it was handled. You asked for patience in handling it and it's been 3 weeks, and now we get a "just deal with it and forget it, ever happened?"

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:08:05 PM)
Wtf? no

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:08:12 PM)
There's no point

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:08:14 PM)
You are not leaving the pack

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:08:25 PM)
I can't run the scene, but I can provide suggestions for it. Gabby will run it.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:08:28 PM)
Okay is Gabby going to be given any aid? I see Gabby being saddled with alot as the ST for the 2 largest tribes played and since a few of the other ST play in tribes that Gabby runs.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:09:51 PM)
Mind you Gabby requested to take up the reigns of the tribes she has. No one forced her into that responsibility.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 10:10:25 PM)
Wow. Gabby = glutton for punishment.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 10:10:36 PM)
*Sends the Gabby much love and props*

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:10:45 PM)
no kidding... I wouldn't wish that on my worse enemy.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:11:34 PM)
Gabby will get aid from the rest of the ST team.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 10:12:02 PM)
We can nominate her for sainthood when this is settled. ;)

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Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:13:57 PM)
It addresses the scene because the challenge never ended: it's still ongoing. Jack joining was the onus to have a Fenrir determine who should be the next elder. In fact, Jack is just participating in the way Galliards have participated, as loremaster, and sometimes, Kingmaker.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 10:14:03 PM)
I love fenris I love Fianna and I love the fangs I will have nothing but fun running tribal scenes for those three tribes, and I am seriously looking foward to getting started. Which is why I wanted this meeting so baddly. I want you players to express what you would like as well. I have no problem with ghostlins plan. Nor would i have issues with running it. If that is what you all want then I will give it to you. My object is not to have a bunch of dissapointed players, I want you guys to enjoy the game.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 10:15:23 PM)
Only thing I want for is a way into scenes. *nod nod*

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:16:09 PM)
I would enjoy this game if kin actually got to fight with the trueborns as aetlings ought to be able to do.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:16:25 PM)
This is not a Fenris way to challenge. They are decicive and strong. It is a tribe of ruling by strength of fist and strength of character, not who can learn the most lore. We've waited 3 weeks for a resolution that is not going to come. You have a bunch of disappointed players right now. I clearly feel like this is being rammed down our throat like so many other things we have disagreed with (BSD METIS cub as an example.) and we are just suppose to let it get brushed under the rug and ignore it ever happened.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:17:25 PM)
So...ensuring that the leader isn't strong and worthy of his title isn't a Fenris way of doing things?

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:18:10 PM)
I think he's tryingto say it wassuppost to be with just fists

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:18:34 PM)
You do that through decicive challenge. "two men enter, one man leaves." That is the Garou way. That was what the challenge was. But, we as players were robbed by a poorly run scene with an NPC that was clearly stacked that we could not win, no matter what.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:19:33 PM)
Combat, Facedown, what have you. If a new leader is to be 'primed' then he is primed to be able to win the challenge, not an ongoing challenge for months, with no leadership during the time in between.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:20:33 PM)
I think they intend to have Jack be the Leader and train those who would be able to challenge him in 6 months time take his place when he leaves. Atleast that's my understanding of it.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:20:35 PM)
What -isn't- decisive about this? The guy who won doesn't really want it, but has to take and mentor the next Fenrir. If you want me to put it this way, you both lost. You can now win a challenge of the new leader's devising.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:21:11 PM)
Then why take it at all? Why cheat the players out of the challenge to just give it up again.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:22:39 PM)
Answer: Because the PCs just aren't ready to lead. Fact is, no one here is ready to be a good leader. There's a lot of potential, but there's a lot of learning to do before the characters are ready. That's Exactly what Captain Jack is here for. To make the characters... not the players... capable of leading properly.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:23:10 PM)
So cheating us out of the scene is how it had to go down?

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:23:28 PM)
i thought there was a scene

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:23:59 PM)
I think he's saying is that if you had made him Athro it would have been a easier pill to swallow then to use a broken home grown fetish to do it.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:24:17 PM)
Yes, with a 5/5/5 physical Skald that had 5 brawl, 5 Melee, and a fetish that has 7 armor that no one knew was active... What a great scene.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:24:37 PM)
So if I made it completely out of your reach you would of been ok with this?

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:24:54 PM)
I didn't say Okay with it, I said easier to swallow

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:24:57 PM)
it was a better scene then when we found a wyrm hole with a destored racoon and was told no combat after spending 3 hours walking there

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:25:05 PM)
Rather than dangle the carrot and have to cheat and break the rules? yes.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:26:00 PM)
Different ST and a whole other can of worms Sarah.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:26:09 PM)
/agreed Sarah, but that is a whole other ball of yarn.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:26:16 PM)
i know that

Von Eiffel (Jan 9, 2011 10:26:50 PM)
I am curiouse as to how making an npc who is strong is cheating and breaking the rules?

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:27:03 PM)
* sighs*

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:27:08 PM)
and its why i just stoped playing in that scene as soon as a st told me how i had to play my character cause lets see 3 -4 fenris a wyrm racoon and they dont attack shouldnt have happened plus other ahrouns there

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:27:21 PM)
led by a pregnant garou makes no sence

Anneliese Adler (Jan 9, 2011 10:27:34 PM)
How is that cheating and breaking the rules? Making sure that there is an appropriate leader? Why not ask for scenes to learn wisdom from the temp elder while still working on your physicals?

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:27:48 PM)
Von, the fetish does not exist/ it was never rolled to activate/ etc. etc.

Anneliese Adler (Jan 9, 2011 10:28:03 PM)
Therefore be a more effective leader when you try again?

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:28:19 PM)
you show me a single PC character that is Adren can have 5/5/5 and 5's in two primary combat stats and a Fetish that doesn't exist

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:28:20 PM)
Sarah: I appreciate you're concern, and FPM me the entirity of them and I'll look into it.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:28:58 PM)
no concern now on that i wont be going on a scene under that st again

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 10:29:00 PM)
you can make your own fetishes you realise yes Bastian? And there are fetishes that are only lv three in the book that double your soak pool? but that would have been 18 soak dice

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:29:03 PM)
I think people are really taking it far to personally

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:29:32 PM)
* sighs again*

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:29:39 PM)
Guys, I have a simple retcon for this, but you'll like it LESS.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 10:29:55 PM)
go for it ghostlin

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:29:59 PM)
There's A. Still a chance for your PC to be elder, just not imediately. and B. Chance for your PC to learn shiny things. How is this bad?

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:30:02 PM)
Spirit Skin, pg 87 H&K Level 3, Gnosis 7 Effect- Doubles soak dice vs attacks from spirits. Not useful against other Garou, so not it. Favour of Fenris, pg 87 H&K Level 5, Gnosis 7 Effect- Depending on the glyph inscribed, all attributes in the associated category at 4 gain +1 die, bringing it to 5; all those at 5 gain +2 dice, bringing it to 7. Lasts for a scene. Not enough bonus dice, not it. Watcher's Shield, pg 85 GoF Rev Level 5, Gnosis 8 Effect- +5 soak when attacked in a cowardly manner, such as from behind or from cover. Not enough bonus dice, highly doubt attacks made were cowardly, not it.

Von Eiffel (Jan 9, 2011 10:30:15 PM)
so the only grounds for beign cheated was that the fetish was not rolled? As I have seen monster pc's that were adren and just because a fetich is not writen in a book does not mean it does not exest. You can ask a spirit to do all kinds of stuft. I am just asking so i know what is going on.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:30:28 PM)
Lion Skin, pg 81 H&K Level 3, Gnosis 8 BF fetish Effect- Doubles wearer's soak for that turn. Double 8 is 16, not 15, too short a duration, not it. Boar's Tusk, pg 79 Fianna Level 5, Gnosis 7 Effect- An additional HL per success, and +1 Sta per 2 successes. Lasts a scene. No possible way to have enough Gnosis to have gained 7 soak dice, not it. Rhino's Resilience, pg 148 PGtG Level 2, Gnosis 5 Effect- +1 Sta vs physical attacks. No listed duration. Not enough bonus dice, not it. Talisman of Endurance, pg 148 PGtG Level 4, Gnosis 7 Effect- +1 HL, no listed duration. Neither enough bonus dice, nor the right kind of bonus, not it

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:30:56 PM)
I'm done with this....please post on the fourms what is gonna happen with the tribe

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:30:57 PM)
Fae Armour, pg 138 Umbra Rev Level 4, Gnosis 6 Effect- No Dex penalties, shifts with wearer [or only active in Crinos], +3 soak except vs silver. Not enough soak dice, not it. Steel Hide, pg 140 Umbra Rev Level 4, Gnosis 5 Effect- Permanently visible as the recipient looks like a chrome statue of themself, +3 soak to all damage, counts as two dedicated items. Not enough soak dice, not obvious, not it. Ghost Dance Shirt, pg 76 Wendigo Rev Level 5, Gnosis 7 Effect- Makes wearer completely immune to all non-magical projectile attacks, saps the Wits of the wearer at a rate of 1/day when worn outside of combat, causing a Garou to frenzy at the slightest provocation when Wits reaches 0. So definitely and entirely nothing like the effect described, not it. Wendigo Shield, pg 77 Wendigo Rev Level 4, Gnosis variable Effect- Adds 1 to Intimidation, and increases soak by half its Gnosis; an excessively decorated shield may cause -1 Dex; can be placed outside a dwelling opposite the door to protect th

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:31:01 PM)
Keep spamming this chat, and I have Z boot you. I'm not here to discuss what sort of Fetishes should/shouldn't be in here.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:31:07 PM)
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Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:31:23 PM)
None of the fetishes in the book mimic that.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:31:38 PM)
I am going to be booted because I want the game to be run fairly>

Anneliese Adler (Jan 9, 2011 10:31:51 PM)
So it was a custom fetish. Sorry, it sounds like sour grapes to me.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:31:52 PM)
I appreciate the input, but it's pretty simple... Just because a fetish isn't published doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Thats what Hammer and Klaive was published for.. Making your own fetished. Something we have allowed players to work on already.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:32:20 PM)
^This.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:32:26 PM)
So, the ST cheats, the other ST's back them up and the players have no recourse>

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:32:30 PM)
Okay then if that's the case please post the fetish so that players have a chance to get it

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:32:37 PM)
I know for a fact it was a custom fetish and that the STs had other things in it you didn't know about Bastian

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:32:50 PM)
exactly.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:33:00 PM)
So I wouldn't really complain about it, seeing as you don't know the full story

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 10:33:20 PM)
....

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:33:21 PM)
I am complaining about it because it was used improperly and out of the blue...

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:34:05 PM)
If the fetish is allowed to stay fine, but please post it's abilities as MY CHARACTER would strive to gain one.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:34:06 PM)
so your complant is that you wernt given proper notice before hand on the scene do you normally get notice of whats gonna happen before you go on a scene?

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Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:34:27 PM)
OK, Mark.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:34:29 PM)
No, but there are activation rolls.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:34:32 PM)
I'm real easy that way.

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Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:35:13 PM)
So you are going to allow armor 7 fetishes but, the reason we can't stack soaking gifts is that it would make us too powerful?

Anneliese Adler (Jan 9, 2011 10:35:33 PM)
You do have recourse after play and xp so that your character can be an effective, consciencious leader.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:35:52 PM)
+7 armor =/= up to 31 soak dice.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:36:14 PM)
You can get +7 armor from an exceptional success from TS or LA.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:36:21 PM)
easily

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:37:04 PM)
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Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:37:08 PM)
Stam 5, Crinos 3, Armor 7, Trollskin (STam 5 PU3) 8 suxx, you are at 23 soak

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:37:11 PM)
Great Fenris's avatar himself doesn't get 31 soak dice. He doesn't even get 15.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:37:21 PM)
Add Steel Fur to that.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:37:34 PM)
Or, a number of Wendigo gifts.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:38:01 PM)
Great Fenrir does not have 15 soak dice but an Adren Skald can have 23?

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:38:15 PM)
Okay look we arn't getting anywhere with this. The scene stays and we move on. How do you plan on moving us forward from here.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:38:21 PM)
Also, with the ruiling as it reads now, if you somehow activated TS with 7 suxx and LA with 5 suxx, you'd get a 17 soak pool, with five for silver.

Anneliese Adler (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:02 PM)
I second Mark.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:19 PM)
I third. *nod nod*

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:20 PM)
i third it

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:21 PM)
With 7 suxx you would have 15 soak dice... as the LA only would count for the Silver.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:21 PM)
We've been offered a few options on that so far.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:23 PM)
or forth lol

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:29 PM)
LOL

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:44 PM)
I say "Take advantage of elder willing to teach us"

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:50 PM)
Yes, you're right. I misdid the math.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:50 PM)
*nodnodnod*

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:39:55 PM)
I'll just sit and be quite. As apparently it does not matter.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:40:08 PM)
i agree i think it is nice to have a tribal elder that can teach something

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:40:36 PM)
And trust me when I say being the PC elder is it's own headache

Anneliese Adler (Jan 9, 2011 10:40:39 PM)
I agree, Safina.

Anneliese Adler (Jan 9, 2011 10:40:51 PM)
On both those.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:41:17 PM)
Please inform us what we can expect to not have any say on in the future.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:41:29 PM)
Well, matter of fact, the idea is one of you will be elder, with more experience, renown opportunies, etc.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:41:31 PM)
Enjoy having an NPC and the STs having the headache while you prepare to be an elder

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:42:24 PM)
snarky additude isn't necessary Bastian.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 10:43:08 PM)
I honestly think this whole idea would of been aceepted more if it was done differently.....

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:43:54 PM)
Guys: I'm acutally not here to fight about it, but if a retcon will help you sleep at night, I can provide that.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:44:08 PM)
a what?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:44:13 PM)
I'm here to provide solutions at night.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:44:18 PM)
oh ok

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:44:20 PM)
remove the scene as if it had never happened Sarah

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:44:38 PM)
remove or edit

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:44:50 PM)
*nods* That too Z

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:44:55 PM)
retcon= retroactive continuity. I can pretty much rewrite or delete the scene. It's used in comics. A LOT.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:45:33 PM)
It's a tool I hate using because it disempowers STs.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:45:42 PM)
I think we are really past that, if that was going to happen it should have happened 3 weeks ago. But now we are beyond continuity so lets mov forward.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:45:46 PM)
I don't think a retcon would fix it

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:45:56 PM)
It would wreck alot of rp since then

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:46:00 PM)
Who should have final say in their own scenes, under the Silver Rule.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:46:06 PM)
Exactly Mark

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:46:18 PM)
Make the best of what we have and move forward

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:46:19 PM)
yeah i wouldnt take it out

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:46:52 PM)
Now where do we go. You Gabby have several CHARACTERS who do not like Jack because they don't think what he has done is honorable.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:47:00 PM)
How do you intend to fix that.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:47:14 PM)
I don't just mean Bastian either.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:47:31 PM)
Now I'll shut up.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:47:44 PM)
Moving forward from now that is.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 10:50:42 PM)
I'll sign on for that list. Lukas has serious IC issues with Jack's lassaiz faire attitude about joining the sept and challenging for leadership of a group of people he couldn't be bothered to even introduce himself to. Tpo Kaia says Kaia has IC issues with Jack's methods as well.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 10:51:05 PM)
So I'm interested to see Gabby repair that relationship ICly.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:51:29 PM)
Can I ask everyone an OOC question?

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:51:34 PM)
yeah

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 10:51:41 PM)
Fire away.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:51:42 PM)
Ever work with someone you hate?

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:51:54 PM)
all the time lol

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:52:12 PM)
Ever have that person tell you you can't do something?

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 10:52:13 PM)
Ever have a boss you don't like, but in order to keep a roof over your head you go to work anyway?

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 10:52:16 PM)
I work on an *OIL RIG*. it's required.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:52:50 PM)
You ever go into a burning building with someone who hates your guts and you fall down... ?

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:53:03 PM)
It's a two way street here.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:53:08 PM)
I'm getting to the point.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:53:35 PM)
I know when I -did- that, I did everything in my human power to shut that person up and every god given opportunity.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:53:52 PM)
<- Cliath can't say shit against an Adren.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 10:54:05 PM)
*eyes Caid* I know you don't I

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 10:54:15 PM)
I do.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:54:56 PM)
That's what Ragabash are for Mark.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:55:06 PM)
I had a boss I loathed. She was hired as my boss fresh off the street. I took every opportunity to remind her that I did the job 16x better than she ever could, since I had been there 6 months, and she had 6 weeks of my job experience.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:55:34 PM)
That is not the Garou way. You challenge or you shut up....

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:56:16 PM)
Silent competence is a good way to tell someone you feel you can't do something you can.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:56:28 PM)
Ragabash actually can and do go against the garou way.. It's their role as questioners. Hell my Ragabash at Cliath went directly against the Warder.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:56:43 PM)
Almost got eaten for it, but he did.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:57:03 PM)
Well since we don't have a single Ragabash....

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:57:05 PM)
Look I don't see a single Fenrir Ragabash here or know of a single one IC

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:57:24 PM)
thats what you all need then.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:57:42 PM)
Regardless, an advesarial relationship isn't always a bad motivation.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:57:50 PM)
All I'm saying.

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:57:54 PM)
Great I will run out and make one? So the answer to not liking Capt Jack is get a Ragabash.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 10:58:08 PM)
..Bastian. Really?

Bastian Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 10:59:04 PM)
Okay, I am done with the meeting. You all have a nice night.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 10:59:05 PM)
*shakes head* You have a NPC who yeah has alot to offer and teach and training. But when it comes down to it IC if I can't stand him I am not going to go and seek his aid.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 10:59:06 PM)
No that's not really my point.. My point is simply ways to circumvent the garou way.

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 10:59:11 PM)
im gonna take my toys and go home now ::stamps feet::

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Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 10:59:22 PM)
*waves goodbye*

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 10:59:27 PM)
Ghostlin had a point. as the elder, you will not always like or get along with everyone either, but still have to work with and advise and if Jack is here to help the tribe grow, that is something they need to master

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:00:02 PM)
Okay... uhm. FNG here I know... but... can we acknowledge the scene's not gonna be nulled and move on to the next topic?

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:00:11 PM)
No as a Character I can seek out Sprits, other Fenrir if I don't like a particular one I can Stay away from him.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:00:32 PM)
perfectly acceptable Mark.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:00:53 PM)
Does anyone else have a problem with letting the scene stand?

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 11:00:58 PM)
nope

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:01:06 PM)
I think we've all agreed that's a done deal.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:01:09 PM)
Guys, I am here for you as well as the STs. I didn't want to null the scene because Gabby spun this as a good thing for the tribe. I tend to have trust with my ST team when they propose something they fuck up on and fix it.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:01:32 PM)
Retconing it is more destructive

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:01:48 PM)
I've proposed things that I think are fair and those of you who are cliath have a chance to be Fostern, and those of you who are Fostern have a shot at Adren.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:02:21 PM)
Not when ST's make blatent comments like I don't run combat and your an Ahroun

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:02:39 PM)
cuz last I checked there isn't really any effective way to get Glory other then killing the wyrm.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:02:53 PM)
there's a few ways.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:03:01 PM)
That...is being dealt with.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:03:08 PM)
killing wyrm stuff is the easiest.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:03:20 PM)
But there are other ways to get glory

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:03:37 PM)
thats also why I made a ragabash... Glory is so hard to get onlin.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:03:45 PM)
Not impossible

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:03:50 PM)
Okay.. so on the point again, So far as I've heard.. "we're under new/temp management for the next 6 months, ICly. Make the best of the situation." None of the various proposals have altered that much. That right?

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:03:59 PM)
Gabby, directing this to you, btw.

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Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:05:05 PM)
Yes.. it's an opportunity, we'll be taking advantage of it. And we're not supposed to raise high stats for several months anyway, etc. But it boils down to that? WB Dara.

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:05:16 PM)
thanks

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 11:05:23 PM)
Yeah that sound right

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:05:25 PM)
It seems that way Lukas.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:05:40 PM)
I would also like if you all could

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:05:58 PM)
Okay, then we're all going to deal with it ICly from here on out. Correct, players?

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:06:49 PM)
To send me fpms when you want a fenris scene, and I will be opening a section like i said in the fenris tribal forums to post some tribal scenes as well.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:07:33 PM)
Gabs: you will need scheduled scenes with the Jack SL.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:07:43 PM)
The proverbial hatchet is buried OOCly, or at least is so far behind us there's no point in trying to drag the sucker up.. That's my impression. Just checking that we're on the same page, so we can turn it sometime tonight. lol

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:07:47 PM)
I am avilable to run scenes for all fenris players I would like some group scenes, and those who want private scenes with the elder for what ever reason they can also request those for personal advancement and training.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:08:32 PM)
Fpm is the best way to catch me but i will also be checking that fenris forum regularly as well.

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Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:11:33 PM)
(damn satellite.)

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:13:20 PM)
What did I miss?

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 11:13:32 PM)
.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:13:37 PM)
Gabby said FPM her if you want scene's with the elder Caid

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:13:56 PM)
that's pretty much the gist of it, be on when the Elder's around and participate in the SL's

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:14:14 PM)
be active on the Fenrir forums when things get posted

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:15:04 PM)
You will enjoy them and at the end of the tunnell there will be a light.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:15:39 PM)
So...that's it?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:15:49 PM)
Well, not quite.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:15:59 PM)
Elise asked about kin getting involved in the scenes. There an answer for that?

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:16:07 PM)
Thanks, Lukas.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:16:08 PM)
Oh YAY!

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:16:14 PM)
It's your turn to suggest to us. Have any questions, smoke some pot....

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:16:17 PM)
*tips a hat*

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:16:18 PM)
...I'm really easy.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:16:25 PM)
Yes, WITHOUT being chewed out by the Wyrmfoe cuz one of them gets injured

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:16:34 PM)
*sigh*

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:16:37 PM)
Fenris kin wanting to be involved in fenris sls Awesome yes, please get involved. Please send me a fpm and let's do that.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:17:07 PM)
I'm ok with Fenris Kin getting in on the action.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:17:12 PM)
It's fenrir

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:17:20 PM)
Get geared up, and make sure you're ready for what's next.

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:17:25 PM)
I would like that. *nods to Safina*

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:17:28 PM)
the kin tend to be almost as tough as the true just without the gifts

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:17:40 PM)
Start a local chapter of the Black Eagles and kill s**t.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:17:45 PM)
Know how to use a gun. Know how to use Melee.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:17:45 PM)
Dude shes a fenris kin, she is brave enough to face death, then shes worthy enough to die with her tribe mates. Sides maybe we can bring in some of those cool fenris kinfolk and get her involved in some of that bussiness I am sure you guys know what I am talking about,.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:18:24 PM)
So who wants to meet the new theurge IC?

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:18:26 PM)
No clue.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:19:02 PM)
If you all want to be Black Eagles, get with Gabby and SB

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:19:04 PM)
Tpo Kaia would like clarification on that business you're referring to. lol

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:19:19 PM)
BEs

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:19:25 PM)
Blasck eagles

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:19:32 PM)
and their lovely sometimes shady weapons

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:19:35 PM)
That is what im talking about

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:19:49 PM)
that would be really interesting.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:19:50 PM)
I have no problem starting up a black eagle group your elder knows ALL about them

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:19:51 PM)
She says Thanks. ;)

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:20:05 PM)
he can get you involved and guide you on the path to be fenris warrior kin

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:20:08 PM)
We want to form fellowships

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:20:15 PM)
these are the things he is here to help with

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:20:30 PM)
Plus you guys can compete with Dies Ultimae.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:21:13 PM)
there's plenty of Dies Ultimae around.. they need a friendly rivalry for best mercenary group in garou society

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 11:21:26 PM)
lol

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:21:29 PM)
I hope there are non-combat SLs for the kin.. lol Kaia's no fighter and Lukas will have her head if she tries that..

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:21:45 PM)
not just him but anyway

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:21:52 PM)
I want combat, thank you. Kaia's a pansy! *grins*

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:22:07 PM)
LOL

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:22:09 PM)
that's why Elise was given a Chainsaw as a wedding gift

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:22:16 PM)
Kaia says unkind things to you, Elise.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:22:17 PM)
*waves to her via Lukas, grinning more*

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:22:29 PM)
Exactly, Mark.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:22:35 PM)
*snerks* Kaia has a special signal for her return wave.

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:22:44 PM)
I can imagine *g*

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:22:47 PM)
:D *sends the same back*

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:23:47 PM)
Soo.. ominous silence from the ST team on the non-combat Kin SLs.. *looks around*

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:24:00 PM)
We'll have them.

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:24:07 PM)
Dara is always armed *whistles innocently*

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:24:20 PM)
Fact is, Fenrir stuff will be GG, SB will cover Kin

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:24:25 PM)
Do the Kin need a meeting?

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:24:33 PM)
Yes

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:24:34 PM)
SB has been running a lot of fun things for the kin not relating to combat.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:24:39 PM)
OK

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:24:42 PM)
Yes

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:24:51 PM)
Let me talk to SB, and we'll have a...12th meeting.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:25:05 PM)
All the tribes that can have meetings + Kinfolk

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:25:22 PM)
tpo Kaia wants Scheduled Kin scenes.. like, on the forums, with fore-warning.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:25:24 PM)
Well if it's that much trouble, I'll just fpm her and ask.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:25:40 PM)
And scenes that don't always start at 9 pm EST, please. I work early.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:26:19 PM)
Yeah... 5 AM comes early on the rig.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:26:25 PM)
so i can not run black eagle scenes?

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:26:31 PM)
And tpo Kaia says there are folks on PST that can't catch early scenes. lol

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:26:33 PM)
You can.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:26:36 PM)
Okay

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:26:43 PM)
Black eagles is very much kinfolk

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:26:44 PM)
Let SB know what you're doing for disclosure.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:26:51 PM)
What time does the chat run on? CST like NEw Orleans?

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:26:53 PM)
Okay I'll get with her on ie

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:27:01 PM)
A lot of folks are EST

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:27:01 PM)
on it

Anneliese Adler (Jan 9, 2011 11:27:12 PM)
I'm with that.... and not always on Sunday. I'm for a balance of combat and noncombat. Fenrir don't just admire battle strength.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:27:21 PM)
I am on MST.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:27:26 PM)
I don't care if things are late, I just cannot do them during the week and have missed out on a lot of scenes because they started too late.

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:27:37 PM)
me too. Generally Caid they scehdule and note the time by zone

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:27:46 PM)
And am something of a night owl, since I get off at 630 my time.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:27:54 PM)
This right here? right *now* is typically when I log off and crawl in my rack for the night.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:28:10 PM)
does that make sense to everyone?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:28:31 PM)
In other words, Caid and everyone, Ghostlin DOES work like everyone else.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:28:34 PM)
Not one iota. But it's late, and I've had a few beers.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:28:41 PM)
:D

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:29:04 PM)
*shrugs* Football was one. But no, that makes sense Ghostlin. Thank you for clarification.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:29:13 PM)
on, even...see? too many beers?

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 11:29:38 PM)
* takes advantage of Elsie in her too many beer state*

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:29:52 PM)
*blink*

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 11:29:53 PM)
* holds up three fingers* How many I holding up?

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:30:08 PM)
Was one of them a thumb?

Von Eiffel (Jan 9, 2011 11:30:16 PM)
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Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:30:16 PM)
;)

Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 11:30:38 PM)
well good night all lets try not to do this again :)

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:30:38 PM)
January 30th I shall have a few too many beers. I will be in new orleans for that week... oh yeah.

Von Eiffel (Jan 9, 2011 11:30:56 PM)
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Sarah Erikson (Jan 9, 2011 11:31:01 PM)
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Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:31:05 PM)
wb Von

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:31:10 PM)
wb Von

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:31:11 PM)
hey Von

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:31:27 PM)
So is that everything we are going to discuss?

Von Eiffel (Jan 9, 2011 11:31:34 PM)
thank you, thank you and hello Safina

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:31:45 PM)
Unless folks have more stuff.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:31:54 PM)
Okay, so Gabby, so far as suggestions go, I really only have one. I'd like to see Jack on IC. ;) But that's pretty much been promised, so I'm good.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:31:55 PM)
Uhm....

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:32:01 PM)
No. No nothing now.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:32:10 PM)
Tpo Kaia's good too, she says.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:32:27 PM)
you will see him ic quickly

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:32:45 PM)
Are you doing scene requests with him???

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:32:47 PM)
I been waiting for this myself so i could start bnringing him in

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:32:47 PM)
Guys, my ST team can tell you. I have two modes. Rage 0 and Rage 11. This is Rage 0. Not much is acutally actively bothering me.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:33:07 PM)
Yes sure send me a fpm if you want a scene with him by all means

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:33:26 PM)
So we shouldn't use the scene request forum anymore?

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:33:33 PM)
I would like for there to be more Schedualed scenes listed on the forums

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:33:34 PM)
Use it.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:33:41 PM)
We like to keep Ghostlin at Rage 0... when he hits rage 11, he threatens venue wipe and database delete.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:33:46 PM)
for full game SL's

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:33:48 PM)
Mark: I'll work on it.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:33:49 PM)
*did use it*

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:34:04 PM)
Note to self: Screen Cap sheet daily....

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:34:05 PM)
But if Gabby wants you to FPM, go right ahead.

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:34:21 PM)
Yeah, I don't have ANY of those powers.

Pineapple OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:34:43 PM)
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Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:34:51 PM)
The other sts do not like there forum boxes swelled and such.

Pineapple OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:35:16 PM)
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Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:35:17 PM)
I don't mind it at all i check my fpms like 6 times a day

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:36:21 PM)
It's because I can't throw anything away.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:38:43 PM)
In fact durring this meeting alone ive recived about 6 foms

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:38:47 PM)
fpms

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:38:56 PM)
Note to self: FPM Gabby.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:38:59 PM)
only 2 of them where for scenes however

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:39:03 PM)
lol

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:39:05 PM)
Sorry

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:39:15 PM)
All I want is rites :p

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:39:28 PM)
thus tuesday at 10 eastrn i have a scene and wensday at 7:30 pm eastren

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:39:50 PM)
Gabby, can I ask what time zone you are in?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:05 PM)
she's EST

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:10 PM)
*Whispers*I am eastern but I don't sleep much

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:12 PM)
danke

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:23 PM)
Most of the team is EST

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:29 PM)
I'm EST at the moment.. Not for long.

Von Eiffel (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:29 PM)
*fpm's gabby with promising tittles but nothing in them*

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:29 PM)
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Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:41 PM)
I spent alternating 3 week periods in eastern and mountain and random smatterings of days in eastern or pacific.

Elise Schmitz (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:46 PM)
wb

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:40:47 PM)
I run for people across the pond and in cali and have no issues thus far

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:41:02 PM)
Thanks. I am goign to kill my net tonight

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:41:04 PM)
Why? because I somehow manage to hire, magically, southerners and east coast.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:41:05 PM)
WB Dara

Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:41:28 PM)
ALl teh college kids are back from the holidays and the network's going nuts

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:41:48 PM)
I've been up for people across the pond.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:43:28 PM)
*thumbs up* Just checking so I got an idear.

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:43:49 PM)
Ooo guild raid gotta go

Safina Karlson (Jan 9, 2011 11:43:51 PM)
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Dara Levin (Jan 9, 2011 11:44:02 PM)
lol

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:45:02 PM)
Guild raid? World of Warcrack strikes again.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:45:07 PM)
okay 3 scenes schedualed since the meeting started

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:45:19 PM)
Gabs, just post a reminder on the Fenrir boardsd

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:45:22 PM)
lol

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:45:38 PM)
I've been playing a lot of DDO on my break

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:45:46 PM)
Sounds fun. Gabby, I'm available during the day EST starting tomorrow. I'll schedule something with ya when I have more sleep. ;)

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:00 PM)
IOkay lukas

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:06 PM)
I'm out for now though. Ghost, Gabby, Zhaed.. thanks for your time tonight.

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:15 PM)
tpo Kaia says goodnight too. *waves*

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:21 PM)
night kaia

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:22 PM)
Goodnight, Luk/Kaia!

Lukas Vangelis (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:24 PM)
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Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:31 PM)
When is the next *public* scene that a FNG who didn't know anyone could get in on?

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:38 PM)
Gimme a starting point?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:41 PM)
should be some this week

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:48 PM)
I know I want to do one this weekend.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:48 PM)
after tuesday

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:46:57 PM)
well after monday actually

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:47:05 PM)
ST's are still on break offically till the 12th

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:47:10 PM)
...yeah

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:47:13 PM)
The FNG who dun know anyone most certainly come lookin for the elder. Ill be asking for everyones avilability in the forums

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:47:18 PM)
but we'll hit the ground running

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:47:21 PM)
If they want to be

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:47:22 PM)
so don't expect anything before then unless they offer it

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:47:41 PM)
Hey, I acutally have WORK to do before I can leave BREAK. :D

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:47:46 PM)
Please just send me a fpm if ya want to meet the elder Caid

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:48:13 PM)
*thumbs up*

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:48:33 PM)
Yeah you should enjoy that Caid.. he a real..... treat :)

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:48:42 PM)
I mean me myself and I am not into the break thing ghostie, I'd be soooo bored..

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:48:42 PM)
for those of us who were present at that scene anyway.

Gabby Girl (Jan 9, 2011 11:49:18 PM)
I have no life if im not telling stories here im writing them in a book

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:49:24 PM)
I just been working on Fera primarily.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:49:28 PM)
Mark. I'll like him a damn lot.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:49:32 PM)
Watch me.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:49:33 PM)
:-)

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:49:57 PM)
You don't have a bias against him IC already so that's cool

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:50:13 PM)
I have a bias! No, acutally I don't.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:50:13 PM)
and honestly Jack will have a easier time dealing with the people who were not there.

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:50:36 PM)
IT's the people who were present that he's not going to have an easy time with LOL

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:50:41 PM)
I know, I know... you don't know me. So you think I won't like him. Just wait. :-D

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:51:23 PM)
Caid your still a eager cliath... I am still cliath but have been told to sit on my ass for last 2 months effectively

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:51:39 PM)
well 3 weeks mostly

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:51:44 PM)
yeah

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:51:47 PM)
sorry for the wait

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:51:49 PM)
who says I'm eager?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:51:51 PM)
ghostlin had a meltdown

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:51:58 PM)
Damn bastard.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 11:52:01 PM)
big meltdown

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:52:05 PM)
it's allowed Ghostlin

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 11:52:08 PM)
but he's all better now

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:52:09 PM)
don't confuse patience and dogged determination for eagerness.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 11:52:19 PM)
he takes his blue juice regular like

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:52:31 PM)
Don't confuse the cleverness and niceness for sanity. :D

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 11:53:05 PM)
so who's in charge of hilma babe?

Ghostlin OOC (Jan 9, 2011 11:54:18 PM)
I'd do her, but I know you.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:54:57 PM)
there's no one specifically in charge of her.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:55:10 PM)
Ghost is the only one that can't run her.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:55:13 PM)
for you that is.

Zhaed (Jan 9, 2011 11:55:26 PM)
you are special and stuff

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:55:34 PM)
short bus special

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 11:55:34 PM)
yeahhhhhh.....I am* toes ground*

Mark Renner (Jan 9, 2011 11:55:45 PM)
*hides from Anna*

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:55:57 PM)
I once rode a short bus.

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:56:04 PM)
But I was in Korea at the time and they were ALL short.

Anna Sandstrom (Jan 9, 2011 11:56:07 PM)
* puts her helmet on and drinks her own brand of blue jucie and takes her red pill*

Caid Younger (Jan 9, 2011 11:56:08 PM)
FPM sent.