Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:38:04 AM)
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Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:38:22 AM)
See if anyone else shows up.
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 2:38:32 AM)
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Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:38:38 AM)
That's fine. I'm making an attempt to calm myself down here.
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 2:39:00 AM)
Hello Deschain
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:39:09 AM)
Hi Crypt, How're you?
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:39:33 AM)
it's cool man... Now let me get something out in the open first.. A facedown is a formal challenge.
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 2:39:35 AM)
im good heving tech problems.. but good
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:39:54 AM)
Z: Tried to remedy that and made it a straight up intimidation roll
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:40:04 AM)
He still tried to make it sound like he could ignore it
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:40:05 AM)
Which everyone was fine with.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:40:17 AM)
but then you ninja'ed on everyone.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:40:26 AM)
Even when I said to hold off.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:40:37 AM)
you all kept going at it.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:40:58 AM)
Z... Look, dude. It's 2:30 in the morning, I've had four beers, and everything was totally awesome until that guy started up
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:41:06 AM)
yeah I get it..
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:41:13 AM)
Everyone was completely copastethic about the entire thing until one person complicated it
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:42:00 AM)
and that's what set me off. Z. I've been playing werewolf online for almost 10 years now. I know the rules pretty well, you know this.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:42:19 AM)
Well I got the Admins pulling the logs for the garou team.. Mostly because it's not my place to make a ruling other than simple moderation.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:42:22 AM)
Never in my life on all the chats I've ever RP'd on has the MotC ever been bothered to show up for a face/staredown
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:42:33 AM)
yeah I do agree with that as well.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:42:39 AM)
but it's a moot point...
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:43:02 AM)
Simple fact is a Facedown is a formal challenge.... Battle of the wits more or less..
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:43:18 AM)
Basically to keep garou from frenzying and killing eachother
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:43:20 AM)
Now, the last time this happened with Bastian Schmitz, I left for the month of December, and came back like two weeks ago
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:43:36 AM)
The past two weeks have been awesome, I've loved the RP
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:43:38 AM)
Until this.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:43:50 AM)
yeah I know, no worries man... Just get over it and move on.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:43:59 AM)
I'm trying to bro. I really am
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:44:31 AM)
But when someone's berating my knowledge of this game with a half-truth from some .pdf that they briefly scanned at, unknowing of how things are done on these chats, I get really really pissed off about it
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:44:54 AM)
I agree you don't need a motc for most challenges...
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:44:57 AM)
Not gonna claim that I'm totally in the right here. But goddamn dude, I was baited for an hour. ;)
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:45:06 AM)
I can only hold on for so long
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:45:07 AM)
yeah that's why I came in.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:45:21 AM)
tpo Nathaniel told me they were baiting you
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:45:42 AM)
Like I said, everything was totally awesome prior to that one complication
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:45:46 AM)
All I got to say.... if you see it comming, just walk away.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:46:07 AM)
That's the thing. Everything was totally cool and IC prior to his refusal to comply
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:46:46 AM)
Hans went to strike Finn as a gesture of him being the type-A Bravo Ahroun to teach her some manners. It was blocked by Konrad, and he was just being Hans, that was all
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:47:15 AM)
Then shitdick over there went on this huge rant, berating a Rage-6 Ahroun Fostern and calling him an ignorant fucktard, and Hans did what he was supposed to do
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:47:22 AM)
Scare the living shit out of him to get him to back off
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:47:32 AM)
yeah... well ninja quitting isn't necessarily Kosher... neither is OOC bantering... Next time Roll Rage.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:47:34 AM)
THEN he went all OOC, saying, "I'm not going to staredown with him" in PMs
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:48:09 AM)
Like I said, I'm not trying to make myself a martyr here
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:48:29 AM)
But..... I am telling you that /some/ of my reaction was partially justified by his ass-hattery.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:49:13 AM)
yeah i get it... you weren't all wrong, neither was the other dude..... he had some of the rules right, you had some right.... it's a tough call, and the OOC stuff made it a mess.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:49:37 AM)
add in the fact I can't make a real ruling.... and only did so because Im still on the shifter team.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:49:43 AM)
That's why I called crypt in here.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:49:58 AM)
I saw it as him trying to be the awesome cliath trying to metagame his way through some free glory by telling off a Fostern
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:50:06 AM)
If you got problems with it... I'd suggest sending a complaint to the Garou team.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:50:07 AM)
That's why I tried the staredown
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:50:17 AM)
Oh, I got the screens, I'll send 'em to SignalDancer
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:50:31 AM)
get them to the whole team
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:50:32 AM)
Lord knows she doesn't need this headache. She's at her wits end already.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:50:42 AM)
Thats why man... she's got enough problems
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:51:01 AM)
only thing you are gonna end up doing is getting her POed.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:51:02 AM)
See.. Can I confide to both of ya for a second? On stuff totally unrelated to this.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:51:08 AM)
you can ask crypt on it.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:51:11 AM)
SUre thing man.
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 2:51:22 AM)
yeeeaaahh i do not wanna bring her into this.. dont need her driving down here to kick my ass
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:51:37 AM)
I talked to her earlier tonight. Told her that I didn't feel that Hans was getting some of the love that the rest of the venue was getting
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:51:53 AM)
Well you don't play Hans to much...
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:51:57 AM)
Said that it was my fault, because I never ask for scenes or request XP or renown or none of that.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:52:05 AM)
And this is why, Z. Hans is a handful, I know this
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:52:12 AM)
Well look at the facts... what pack is Hans in?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:52:15 AM)
He's crazy, he's an ahroun, and he's a SilverFang
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:52:32 AM)
I know this. He's not the easiest character to cater to in this venue. ;)
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:52:34 AM)
Mostly lately the STs been running Pack and Tribe scenes.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:52:43 AM)
He was designed to be an antagonist for the others
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:52:52 AM)
Well, transferred to be one, I mean.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:52:59 AM)
and that's why you aren't getting the love.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:53:15 AM)
I know this, but I had a moment, and thought I'd talk to her in confidence about it on skype
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:53:20 AM)
And she was cool about it, totally cool
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:53:39 AM)
She broke down to me why my character wasn't getting love, and I was 100% cool with it
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:53:54 AM)
And closure was made. I was happy, I really was!
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:54:04 AM)
So I went out on a limb and figured I'd try to RP some
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:54:28 AM)
And I did. Went IC, did some light RP with Finn, Danny, and Evie
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:54:39 AM)
And he was even calm, subdued, really laid back
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:54:57 AM)
Got a little arrogant towards the end, but that's cool. He's a Fang, he's supposed to show some hubris, right?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:55:28 AM)
Finn got lippy, and he went to hit her. The punch was blocked by Konrad who showed up midway through the scene, and we left combat immediatley, and went back to RPing
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:55:32 AM)
and everything was still cool
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:55:43 AM)
when you have 200 characters between 7 STs... you try to cater to as many as once as you can.
Casey Richards (Feb 16, 2011 2:55:43 AM)
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Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:55:55 AM)
And the problem is... Hans doesn't work well with others.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:56:04 AM)
.....then this jackass shows up, outta nowhere, with NO knowledge of what's going on, and starts mouthing off at Hans like Hans is straight outta his first shift.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:56:17 AM)
So yeah, he's gonna get a staredown.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:56:22 AM)
but dude refuses it
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:56:34 AM)
But that's the thing man.. it's still a formal challenge...
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:56:35 AM)
and talks down to me like I've never read a WoD book in my life.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:56:46 AM)
So yeah, I get defensive, and I PM him.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:57:03 AM)
Fact is man... he don't know you, and he don't know what you have read.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:57:23 AM)
I say, "Look, dude, I just gave you a huge narrative about Hans looking you dead in the eye and showing you the horrors of his life. He's initiating the Staredown, I need your WP to figure out my difficulty"
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:57:51 AM)
and he says, "I'm not gonna staredown with the guy, period." And then gets snarky with me OOC in the room about it.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:57:54 AM)
Thats why I said Intimidation is fine... but it wasn't a formal challenge
Akako Masako (Feb 16, 2011 2:58:18 AM)
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Akako Masako (Feb 16, 2011 2:58:25 AM)
All your Crypts are belongs to me!
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:58:27 AM)
But Z.. Dude.... This ain't your first digi oWoD chat, right?
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:58:35 AM)
Not at all.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:58:39 AM)
It ain't mine, and I'm pretty damn sure it ain't Crypts
Akako Masako (Feb 16, 2011 2:58:50 AM)
*curls up with Deschain*
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:58:52 AM)
Have you ever needed one for that roll?
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:59:02 AM)
depends on the situation.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 2:59:03 AM)
Kako: I love ya to bits, but I'm fired up. Be warned. :)
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 2:59:07 AM)
akako please
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 2:59:21 AM)
Casey, Akako, can you folks please leave?
Akako Masako (Feb 16, 2011 2:59:56 AM)
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Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:00:12 AM)
An impromptu moment of one ahroun glaring down at another cliath? Has an MotC ever been called out for something on the fly like that?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:00:22 AM)
If it was an Athro against an Adren, I could understand it
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:00:33 AM)
Or hell, Adren against Fostern over territory rights
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:00:37 AM)
That I can understand
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:00:48 AM)
nah.. and the MotC would probably look to Patrick like he's nuts for wasting his time.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:00:49 AM)
But a Fostern against a Cliath just because the Cliath got lippy?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:00:57 AM)
I mean, come on man, really?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:01:34 AM)
But yeah, I was in the wrong for ragequitting, I understand that
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:01:38 AM)
Totally understand that
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:01:52 AM)
My issue is the OOC and ragequit....
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:02:22 AM)
I'll take whatever the reprimand is for that. But was I not invoked both IC and OOC to react like that, knowing by this entire chat that I have a temper?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:02:40 AM)
Even in OOC, I /tried/ to be civil
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:02:48 AM)
ok first off i would like to know why the staredown started in the first place and why the other garou was being lippy
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:03:12 AM)
you did... that's why Im not pissed at you.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:03:50 AM)
Crypt: Mmkay, here's what went down.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:03:57 AM)
Logs will coincide with this.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:04:21 AM)
the garou were asking why things were being all tense with the elders
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:04:40 AM)
Hans flat out told them that war was coming, that he'd tried to warn them in the past but they ignored it
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:05:03 AM)
Things escalated, and Hans said that members of the Tommyknocker's pack tried to attack/kill him on three seperate occasions
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:05:31 AM)
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Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:06:04 AM)
The catalyst was that Hans felt that the Tommyknockers weren't quite prepared to defend the sept just yet. That their pack was too eager for battle, and didn't have the tactics that he thought the defenders of the sept should have.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:06:32 AM)
So, Evie went on saying that "You don't know my deeds, you don't know what I'm capable of, and I'm on patrol to defend this sept."
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:07:12 AM)
And Hans said, "Well, you're preggo, you can't shift, and you're pretty much worthless, battle wise." and kinda goaded her with his usual questions to reinforce that point
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:07:36 AM)
So Finn tried to call him out on his bluff, and said like two or three times, "Who attacked you? Who in TommyKNockers attacked you?"
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:08:01 AM)
After the third time, Hans was going to make her feel his pimp hand and say, "Shut your fucking mouth, this is grown folks business. Wait your turn, and I'll answer."
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:08:19 AM)
Fact is, no one has to answer to Hans.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:08:32 AM)
Nathaniel Dale does
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:08:41 AM)
Well, said pimp hand was blocked by Konrad, and everything kinda came to a head, but it was resolved IC.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:08:58 AM)
yeah... those in his tribe does.. but the fianna can tell you to go away.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:05 AM)
Oh of course
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:10 AM)
And I have no problem with that
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:22 AM)
dude, you realize, you are only Fostern right? Aint no one even of your own tribe "have" to listen to you.
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:22 AM)
respectfully go away
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:26 AM)
lol
Casey Richards (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:29 AM)
whoops I thought I logged into the ooc room and went afk
Casey Richards (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:34 AM)
sorry
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:35 AM)
See, this is what I'm talking about, right here
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:36 AM)
1 rank difference is challengable by anyone
Casey Richards (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:42 AM)
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Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:43 AM)
ok stop
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:47 AM)
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:09:55 AM)
D one second please
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:10:03 AM)
Patrick: Do you have any idea wtf was going on before you joined the room?
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:10:08 AM)
yes
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:10:20 AM)
I also know what was going on when I joined the room
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:10:20 AM)
So you had full knowledge of all events prelude to your interruption?
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:10:25 AM)
I SAID ENOUGH!
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:10:33 AM)
*pauses*
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:14:03 AM)
sorry but that pisses me off when i ask my players to stop talking so i can get things straight and they do not they just bicker with each other. now this is how we are gonna do this. You both are gonna ,in turn plead your case to me and you WILL not interupt the other until they have said they are done. understand?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:14:34 AM)
Totally understood.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:14:56 AM)
Eh, I dont have a case to plead *shrugs* He wanted to use a mechanic that was not applicable to the situation, so I told him such and was trying to move forward with the RP.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:15:26 AM)
*holds on*
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:15:50 AM)
excuse me....
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:16:46 AM)
Which we all came to the agreeance that Face-down isn't applicable on a instant notice. I checked with Ghostlin and he agrees with that. We reverted it to an Intimidation roll, which doesn't even need eye contact.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:16:59 AM)
correct
Ceilidh Bain (Feb 16, 2011 3:17:02 AM)
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Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:17:13 AM)
which if we had ever gotten back to IC, I would have dealt with appropriately
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:17:16 AM)
We should've made this a locked room
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:17:28 AM)
Ceilidh can you please leave?
Ceilidh Bain (Feb 16, 2011 3:17:30 AM)
oh apologies, i can leave if you want. sure
Ceilidh Bain (Feb 16, 2011 3:17:34 AM)
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Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:17:47 AM)
probably by spending wp to hold my ground, but that is neither here nor their since he decided to ninja log the character in the middle of the discussion with Z trying to moderate
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:18:05 AM)
We can resolve it here, cause it would've gone to inits dude.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:18:13 AM)
to late man
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:18:21 AM)
you ninja logged, RP continued in the scene
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:18:24 AM)
Of course. :)
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:18:25 AM)
Well I had told everyone in the room to hold on... and no one listened... Not Hans nor Patrick.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:18:34 AM)
Thats where my problem comes in.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:19:34 AM)
I held on, i didnt do anymore IC posting, rolling or arguing about mechanics, just kept telling him over and over that I am not participating in a staredown challenge, so quite trying to sling those dice/mechanics at me
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:20:05 AM)
Not in public anyway, but you did get kinda nasty with me in PMs.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:20:10 AM)
...
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:20:11 AM)
No it was the OOC posting Im talking about Patrick...
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:20:16 AM)
which aren't, naturally, loggable in Digichat.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:20:19 AM)
what the fuck ever, Deschain
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:20:33 AM)
I asked you to all hold on... No one did... and you are doing the same thing now.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:20:35 AM)
Z, I apologize if I misunderstood/disobeyed inadvertantly
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:20:46 AM)
*holds further*
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:22:34 AM)
,
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:22:42 AM)
Ok... so the IC and ruling was discussed.... Why are we still arguing about it.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:23:15 AM)
I wasn't ruling. I was explaining the backstory prior to the interruption and was... interrupted with commentary.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:23:25 AM)
ruling - arguing*
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:24:33 AM)
Here's what I propose to remedy this. I take Hans out of Shared Blood Circulation. He won't be the proverbial "Problem Child" of the sept any longer, and won't kill any of the cliaths. He'll stick to tribal and metaplot problems.
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:24:59 AM)
D one sec ok??
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:25:10 AM)
I mean I got screen shots where you were being antagonistic in OOC talk Patrick. Thats not cool on any level...
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:25:12 AM)
Meanwhile, he'll have very limited (if at all) interaction with the sept, and is only let loose upon enemies of the caern and returns to wherever it is he goes in between wwars.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:25:24 AM)
*pauses*
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:25:27 AM)
okay, well whatever, if my input isnt needed by the STs, Ill just go to bed, you guys got the screenshots... and frankly what happened before my character got there doesnt matter, I came out to certain comments going on, my character has not met Hans before, but he had met the others present at the time, and reacted to insults to someone who has earned his respect as best he knew how
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:25:44 AM)
What do you mean, Z?
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:26:39 AM)
I mean you resorted to caps type and demanding all sorts of things that we already resolved... It makes me wonder if you even paid attention to me asking you to chill.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:27:22 AM)
Trust me, I know the game can get heated at times.. but arguing in here and using profanity aint helping any case. becuse it's just redundancy from what I tried to stop in the other room.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:27:29 AM)
To be honest, I didnt see you say anything at that point, I was reacting to the harrassment going on in PM, by answering in the main screen so that it was in the log... was getting very pissed off by what he kept saying in the pm window
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:28:08 AM)
All I'd asked for was your WP so I could figure out the difficulty for the WP
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:28:20 AM)
for the staredown, I mean
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:28:47 AM)
No, all you did was say over and over I am staring you down, you dont have a choice, whats your wp, blah blah blah.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:29:17 AM)
And I said a few times, I am not participating in a staredown, not participating in an unmoderated challenge, then started answering you in main chat
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:29:17 AM)
*sighs*
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:29:30 AM)
*holds again*
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:29:35 AM)
Patrick.... Chill out man... we are trying to be civil here...
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:29:40 AM)
When an ST Tells you to stop posting so they can clear the air you STOP posting
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:29:53 AM)
you complaints are directed to me... not to him.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:31:27 AM)
Okay, 1) As stated, I didnt see Z say anything before saying "Hold" or was it "Hold, please" either way, at that point, I stopped arguing mechanics, stopped all IC RP, and was waiting, but was still being pestered in PM, and in main window, so I was responding that I was not participating in a challenge that was unmoderated
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:32:04 AM)
We aren't talking about the scene man... we are talking about the OOC bickering.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:32:42 AM)
and you are within your rights to ask for it to be moderated.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:33:21 AM)
But... realistically... the MotC would probably tell you off for bothering her over a Facedown.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:33:34 AM)
Especially between two low ranked garou.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:33:55 AM)
Okay, dude, clearly you and I are not on the same page of what occurred and I do not have screenshots/log to look at to refresh my memory at this point so whatever. As I said before, if I misunderstood, missed, or otherwise just didnt get what you were asking of us then I am sorry, it was not intentional
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:34:31 AM)
May I rebute?
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:34:38 AM)
Please Deschain.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:34:47 AM)
But we are keeping it civil
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:35:16 AM)
Mmkay. I'm gonna be honest here. Hans is an antagonist. He's an arrogant Silver Fang Ahroun with six rage dots who feels that he has a say in some matters.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:35:42 AM)
Particularly, in the battle readiness of the sept. Because that's what he knows. He's a tactician by nature. It's all he knows
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:36:25 AM)
His original intent through that whole scene was to light a fire under the ass of the Tommyknocker pack, to inform them, "Look. Open war is upon us, whether you're ready for it or not."
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:36:50 AM)
They met it with a little bit of the whatever complex, which was what he was expecting.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:37:33 AM)
For the most part, despite his rage, he almost had the situation mostly under control, until the wild card showed up in the form of a Fianna claith who he'd never met and didn't know anything about.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:38:03 AM)
So he did what he would naturally do, challenge said cliath and say, "Dude, you don't know what you're talking about, just step away and let me be the asshole that I have to be."
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:38:21 AM)
Which is fine... Im firm in believing that the actions of the characters are to their personal players choices. Not other players and not the STs. I don't think anyone in here is trying to make decisions for your character outside of your control.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:38:29 AM)
Then things got bitter OOC, and I got defensive about it OOC. That's when I got really really upset.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:39:00 AM)
Yeah... that's where it got ugly... thats why im trying to solve here.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:40:23 AM)
fact of the matter here is... Hans couldn't make an instant Facedown... Ideally you should have gone to the ST for the WP rather than the player... but I was on Green and couldn't be PMed.. I do appologize for that.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:41:05 AM)
Continual glaring is fine... but not an instant Face down.... Turning away from a glance isn't a loss.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:41:11 AM)
I understand that. And that comes from my past experiences, where Facedowns come with pretty much any sort of adversity between garou.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:41:26 AM)
Both garou must be aware of the challenge.. which i believe Patrick was not?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:41:30 AM)
and on those experiences, if you broke the gaze, ya lost the informal challenge.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:41:52 AM)
Not that it'd knock glory renown from ya, but it got the point across. That's what I was going for
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:42:03 AM)
OOC I was aware he wanted to challenge me, ICly Patrick was looking at him, but that doesnt mean staring at him and meeting ihs gaze for a face down
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:42:16 AM)
But you see Deschain... that's the difference between an Intimidate roll and an Facedown.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:42:46 AM)
there is a difference between standing up for someone you respect who is being insulted and provoking an unknown Garou to beat down mode
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:43:02 AM)
The facedown was intended for him to be able to defend his character and save some face. Hell, for all I knew, the guy had 9 WP and 13 dice to roll against it, making Hans look like a fool.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:43:07 AM)
Staredowns, when initiated with unknown garou can cause frenzy which = very bad
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:43:16 AM)
Intimidation rolls, on the other hand, are much harder to defend against.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:43:54 AM)
yeah, which frankly the book does a poor job of explaining the diff and pluses/minuses to intimidation rolls
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:44:06 AM)
Patrick: Totally understandable. Believe me, I feel where you're coming from. I truly do
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:44:26 AM)
Ok it's apparent we all know the rules now... an intimidation roll was the appropriate roll. Which is why i was digging through trying to find what I needed.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:44:41 AM)
But Hans has delusions of grandeur. He thinks he's a badass. Hell, before he came to Shared Blood, his last deed name was Flesh Wound, cause he was really hard to take down. :)
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:44:47 AM)
cause it talka bout you can get bonus dice for being in glabro and having someone by the neck so on the flip side you should get a penalty to your dice pool when you are standing alone and trying to intimidate someone who has 2 other garou standing behind him that he belives would back him up if shit went down
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:45:14 AM)
yeah... and there's no rolls to resist listed... which I personally think is bupkis
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:45:15 AM)
Nah, Hans knew that nobody else would get involved. He's got a reputation in Shared Blood. ;)
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:45:35 AM)
Des, you may have known it, but intimidation is all about perception of the target
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:45:43 AM)
Whether that's actually true though, is a different matter
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:45:49 AM)
So are we all cool now?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:46:08 AM)
Dude, I'm cool. I'm still a little worked up over the exchange, but I have no bad blood in me about it
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:46:17 AM)
Can we simply agree that the door flew off the hinges way to fast?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:46:20 AM)
Just so long as my OOC rant and ragequit didn't alienate the venue. :)
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:46:59 AM)
The entire World of Darkness is a Game of Perceptions
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:47:01 AM)
In which case, I still extend that offer to keep Hans seperate from socializing with the sept, and only bring the dude out when something needs killin'
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:47:39 AM)
I know the dude's a handfull with you STs. I know he's unstable and a total wildcard with the Sept.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:47:58 AM)
Des, if you arent a member and stuff technically its highly unlikely they would look to a solo garou who isnt a member for help.. i mean if elders + a badzilion cliaths/fosterns cant handle it, how much difference is one anruth going to make?
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:48:15 AM)
Patrick, he is a sept member.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:48:21 AM)
He's not an anruth though. Until today, he was the Silver Fang Elder of Shared Blood.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:48:23 AM)
hell he's the tribal elder for the fangs
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:48:25 AM)
Not if he does what hes talking about
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:48:45 AM)
He was a pretty big deal for a little while there. ;)
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:48:46 AM)
I am saying what he proposed would make him Anruth, thus less likely to be trusted to aid with anything
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:48:58 AM)
But again, he's crazy, he's ahroun, and he has a shitload of rage.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:49:11 AM)
Eh, 6 isnt really a shitload dude...
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:49:35 AM)
get up to 9, like a Black Fury I used to have to deal with.. then you got issues...
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:49:43 AM)
6 is a lot of rage..
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:49:44 AM)
not Patrick, an old character of mine
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:49:46 AM)
....Yeah that's not allowed on this chat
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:49:56 AM)
Des, it would be, you could be close real fast
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:50:00 AM)
Sure it is... thats what I was shooting for on my red talon
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:50:06 AM)
6 rage is within bounds of wyrmthrall, which is more than what most of the cliaths and fosterns/adrens of this chat are accustomed to
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:50:10 AM)
your sitting at 6 already, get in a pack that follows Mammoth, bam your at 8 now
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:50:25 AM)
I had 11 on my dark ages BF
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:50:28 AM)
you get 8 rage your handing your character sheet over
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:50:38 AM)
the sept had to crate her up in a metal box
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:50:43 AM)
Dude, garou cant sense rage in other garou without use of a rank 1 ahroun gift or the person having more rage than wp
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:50:46 AM)
Yeah, I always keep his WP higher than his rage to prevent that
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:51:11 AM)
Thing is Deschain.... and I know it's not really my call... Id like to see Hans useful to the sept.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:51:13 AM)
Patrick: True, but kinfolk can sense that rage, and if an entire tribe's kinfolk tend to avoid an ahroun, the trueborns can kinda take the hit. ;)
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:51:26 AM)
Z: I talked to an ST about that, and he's gonna get some use
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:51:28 AM)
as would i
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:51:30 AM)
because he's a colorful character... and we don't have a whole lot of them
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:51:39 AM)
But as it stands, he's an ahroun, and he's a warmonger, and there's no war.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:51:49 AM)
yeah i get that Des.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:51:56 AM)
So he's idle, and he's going stir crazy over it, and he's taking that anger out on the sept
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:51:57 AM)
and that's the things with Ahrouns.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:52:02 AM)
Eh, Des, they can only notice if its more than their wp+2, considering most kinfolk around here have wp 5-6 it seems that means most of them dont shy from you yet, or wouldnt even if your rage went up 1
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:52:05 AM)
you sit idle and it get's boring.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:52:18 AM)
So are we all cool now?
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:52:30 AM)
Or do I have to put a wall between you two?
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:52:34 AM)
Get hans a mate that will start some battles
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:52:35 AM)
Mmkay, Patrick. I'm giving ya the benefit of the doubt here, and I respect ya all the more for keeping this as civil as it's been. :)
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:53:08 AM)
Hans just needs to find himself a pretty kinfolk to burn out some agression...
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:53:13 AM)
I hear Kitten is single.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:53:17 AM)
But.... I've been playing W:tA online, TT and in LARPs since 1999. I've read the books religiously, especially the tribe books. I'm obsessed with the lore. :)
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:53:20 AM)
Well, I should say, they dont shy from just cause of your inherant rage... they might cause your a dick, but thats a whole nother set of issues
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:53:29 AM)
Z: Naw, he's got his eye on a new kinfolk, Sofija.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:53:37 AM)
well who ever.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:53:45 AM)
But, he's got the whole app-2, "I'm Missing fingers and my face is burned off" thing going on. ;)O
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:53:54 AM)
Eh, some kin are into that...
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 3:54:03 AM)
In any case... hans just needs an outlet asside from beating the crap outa cliath.
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:54:03 AM)
i was a about to say,, if you said yulia then there is a problem lol
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:54:12 AM)
Just play that country song "Cause the Chicks Dig It" as you walk around, it will work out
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:54:31 AM)
He needs a war. Hans shines when he has a general to answer to, and a war going on
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:54:39 AM)
The general showed up in the form of the NPC elder
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:54:45 AM)
Now he just needs a war.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:54:56 AM)
"Scars heal, glory fades
And all we're left with are the memories made
Pain hurts, but only for a minute
Yeah life is short so go on and live it
'Cause the chicks dig it"
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:08 AM)
There is Han's themesong in my head now
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:09 AM)
Oh, and a good shrink
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:17 AM)
Cause That Fang is fucking insane.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:19 AM)
<--- is a Shrink, sorta
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:22 AM)
In ways you'll never know. :0
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:29 AM)
so quit insulting random pregnant women
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:37 AM)
find something more pressing to gripe about
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:41 AM)
x_x
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:42 AM)
hey D im working on the war thing
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:47 AM)
The intent was there, Patrick.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:55:59 AM)
He was trying to get that pack fired up to get ready for a war
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:56:04 AM)
Yeah, with all the tact of a nuke at 1am
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:56:16 AM)
He's as tactless as he is ugly
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:56:40 AM)
They arent a war pack man, and you arent a Raggie or Galliard... technically what you were doing could be accused of acting outside your auspice.... *shrugs*
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:57:06 AM)
He doesn't care. lol. Hans is just really callous about the feelings of others.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:57:17 AM)
Empathy-0, Expression-1, and intimidation-3
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:57:31 AM)
He's an in-your-face ahroun who's hung around GoF"s since he came to america
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:57:38 AM)
x_x
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:57:45 AM)
So he is the anti patrick...
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:57:53 AM)
Empathy 4, Expressoin 1, Intim 2... x_x
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:57:59 AM)
Kinda see why he's kinda an asshole now? :)
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:58:10 AM)
Yeah, most damn ahrouns are :P
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:58:19 AM)
But yeah, aside from all that. I mean it here dude, no hard feelings
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:58:30 AM)
I'm an awesome player, a brilliant writer, and a hell of an RPer
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 3:58:36 AM)
But I'm a goddamn drunk and I have a temper IRL
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 3:59:17 AM)
That doesnt mean that my hi empathy, Confidante natured, passionate and frustrated Fianna could even think about just standing by and watching some unknown fang chew out one of the few people in the sept who isnt of his tribe that has treated him relatively well.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:00:04 AM)
Well, I'm not talking about characters right now
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:00:09 AM)
I'm talking about me and you here
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:00:40 AM)
I know I can be a bit.... extreme. But when I'm not feeling irked, I'm a damn awesome dude for the most part.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:00:59 AM)
oh *shrugs* I think I am a pretty damn good RP, I do have a tendancy to have nearly photographic memory of rules though... so rules lawyer is a negative connotation sometimes attributed to me *shrugs*
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 4:01:22 AM)
Ok so we are cool... maybe not get all blown out of perspective next tiem?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:01:33 AM)
I ran a WoD LARP from 1996 to 2000. I had to be a rules lawyer too, but I'm having to recall all the TT version s of 'em. :)
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:01:46 AM)
yeah, Z
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:01:53 AM)
Des, how big did your larp get?
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:02:11 AM)
150 people, every Friday for 3 years
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:02:14 AM)
4 years*
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:02:31 AM)
We had a nine square block radius to RP in at downtown Augusta.
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 4:03:02 AM)
Ok dude... have fun reminensing..
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:03:04 AM)
I ran a network of them from 04 to 06... We had 3 games a week (Friday night, saturday day, and saturday night), 6 venues total... average session about 30 players... total of 248 people who showed up to at least one session of one of the games a month
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 4:03:10 AM)
i had a WtA larp going on but i moved an the other ST got deployed
Zhaed (Feb 16, 2011 4:03:13 AM)
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Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:03:24 AM)
That's what happened here Crypt
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:03:34 AM)
I moved, the game fell apart in mine
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:03:34 AM)
All my staff kept getting sent to Kuwait and Iraq
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:03:51 AM)
We have a comm base here in my city, and half of my players were all army
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:03:56 AM)
I had a Cam, Anarch, Sabbat, WtA, Changling, and Hunter venues on alternating weeks
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:04:20 AM)
We had Cam, Sabbat, Anarchs, Werewolf, Wraith, Changeling, and test-marketed Mage for WW's MET
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:04:35 AM)
We're only 2 hours way from Clarkston, GA where WW is HQ'd at
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:04:49 AM)
I met many many many many MANY people from their offices. :)
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:04:56 AM)
cool
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 4:04:59 AM)
i got burned out on Vampire via larp
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:05:14 AM)
Same, I could never make another vampire for any TT or chat
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:05:22 AM)
*knows way too much*
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:05:24 AM)
I think the only famous MET/WW person I met was the player of the character Karsh, Warlord of the Camarilla.
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:05:39 AM)
I am the same way since that LARP
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:05:52 AM)
Check the books for a Stacey Pierre
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:06:01 AM)
She did a lot of changeling books
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 4:06:03 AM)
i wanna do another WtA larp cause that shit was fun..
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:06:04 AM)
in the 5 years since I ran that, I have had one vamp that I played that was fun, and he stopped being playable when OrdoNox closed
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:06:20 AM)
Me and her were really really tight
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:06:26 AM)
and i had started playing him pre-larp, so it barely counts i guess
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:06:38 AM)
Well, I was. She was for about the first three months of visiting us. *nudge nudge wink wink*
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:06:50 AM)
Crypt, what part of the world you in, if your in driving distance i would do WtA larp, definitely.
Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:07:11 AM)
In all honesty, we're trying to revitalize our old MET game
Patrick Smith (Feb 16, 2011 4:17:17 AM)
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Deschain OOC (Feb 16, 2011 4:18:33 AM)
mmkay, my blood's simmering now.
Crypt (Feb 16, 2011 4:20:15 AM)
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