Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:35:50 PM)
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Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:36:21 PM)
sorry apparently i'm sexist... i always say he when i can't tell from the name
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Nathan Slade (Jun 16, 2011 6:37:03 PM)
invasion! :P
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Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:37:06 PM)
That's cool :) I mind not at all
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:37:25 PM)
I made the edits you suggested
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:37:31 PM)
hopefully everything is straight now
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:38:07 PM)
i even altered my background to support the changes
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:38:57 PM)
Cool :) I had a brief scan of it before and we still need to change some things. I'm just going to re-iterate this will be a harshes sanctioing than most purely because you want a main npc as your demonic master and so the character has to fit what that npc would thrall.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:39:32 PM)
understood
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:40:54 PM)
Okay first up, I cannot sanction you with 2 attributes at 1
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:40:59 PM)
especially not in stamina
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:41:05 PM)
So i'm moving a dot from dex to stamina
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:41:23 PM)
sighs
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:41:41 PM)
he's an old man and he can't run fast
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:41:49 PM)
or far rather
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:42:05 PM)
I'm sorry, but we can't make him a combat character as a blind old man... that just doesn't work. He is older, his reflexes simply aren't what they used to be.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:42:45 PM)
i like combat
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:43:05 PM)
Which is cool.
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:43:18 PM)
But then you have to consider if this is the character you really want?
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:43:24 PM)
Dante could be a combat legend
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:43:31 PM)
Savan is not going to be.
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:43:35 PM)
He is not a front lines character
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:44:11 PM)
the image i have in my head is a wise old man who if you try to mess with im because he's blind you'll find that he just tripped you with his bo staff
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:44:25 PM)
like all the kung fu movies
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:44:48 PM)
which could suit a demon concept. -But- you are playing a mortal in a world of demons... that is never going to happen for you with demon characters.
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:45:01 PM)
They will always be inherantly stronger, more powerful than Savan.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:45:07 PM)
Demons don't always fight demons
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:45:16 PM)
they fight gang members with infernal weapons
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:45:28 PM)
No but they generally fight npc's that are designed by st's to be a challenge for them.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:46:04 PM)
ok so you move a dot of dex and put it in stamina
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:46:07 PM)
i can live with that
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:46:12 PM)
its soak anyway
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:48:38 PM)
I'm also going to take a point off your dodge and throw it into athletics... you can't have dodge so high and ath at 0
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:49:13 PM)
ok
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:49:56 PM)
I'm also going to take your melee down to 2 and put your stealth up to 2
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:50:05 PM)
i disagree
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:50:07 PM)
the dude is blind
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:50:13 PM)
how is he supposed to be stealthy
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:50:27 PM)
I could say the same for melee
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:50:33 PM)
years of practice
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:50:50 PM)
you can learn a kata
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:50:59 PM)
and practice it over and over until perfection
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:51:04 PM)
but you can't be stealty if you can't see
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:51:22 PM)
same way :) Use the walking stick to creep along the wall, keep your footfalls silent because you know how to walk on the balls of your feet.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:51:49 PM)
can i ask you oocly if you're doing this to make me want to keep dante?
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:52:09 PM)
Not at all
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:52:18 PM)
ok well can you make it 3 and 1 instead of 2 and 2
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:52:25 PM)
I'm doing this to make the character work and fit paramaters.
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:52:47 PM)
but yes I am absolutely, when sanctioning, more leniant on giving higher stats to demons than thralls.
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:52:51 PM)
For obvious reasons.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:53:38 PM)
but i can still use XP to pump melee back up right?
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:54:24 PM)
with good rationalisation.
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:54:33 PM)
It will take time though because he is a mortal man.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:54:33 PM)
stealth seems silly to me with this character... i see him listening carefully gaining info from people etc... but i just can't envision him sneaking up on anyone
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:55:22 PM)
but ok if that's what i have to do that's what i have to do
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:55:25 PM)
okay he's going to need braille.... but I think we can put that under english.
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Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:56:22 PM)
Okay I can't give you increased size.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:56:28 PM)
why not
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:56:35 PM)
you said any of the enhancements
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:56:40 PM)
Elin nelson got wings
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:57:12 PM)
mainly because Legion said "No, Victor would never give that to him"
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:57:18 PM)
oh
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:57:21 PM)
as a choice you mean
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:57:23 PM)
from the master
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:57:27 PM)
but he does have that
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:58:11 PM)
crap what page is it on
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:58:16 PM)
the mammu visage
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 6:58:21 PM)
i have to look it up again then
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 6:58:23 PM)
one sec let me take a look at some options to throw at you.
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:01:40 PM)
Armour, Enhanced Senses, Pass Without a Trace, Regeneration
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:01:51 PM)
I would suggest enhanced senses
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:02:09 PM)
I already have the merit Acute hearing
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:02:38 PM)
I haven't gotten to merits and flaws yet :) How about the armour then?
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:02:44 PM)
Or Regeneration?
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:02:57 PM)
tell me about both
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:03:16 PM)
armour gives you +4 dice to soak bashing/lethal and best of all aggravated damage
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:03:25 PM)
wow
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:03:27 PM)
that sounds nice
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:03:32 PM)
and regeneration?
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:03:35 PM)
regen lets you heal one level of bashing or lethal per round as a reflexive action
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:04:06 PM)
interesting... so in a fight each round... i would heal 1 every time unless it's aggrivated
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:04:08 PM)
right?
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:05:09 PM)
yep
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:05:21 PM)
hmm hard choice
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:05:40 PM)
with a stam of 2 already plus 4 that's 6 i could soak
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:05:40 PM)
Victor does not want you to be offensive
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:05:48 PM)
or
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:06:03 PM)
He would be pissed if you started picking fights. He wants you to be unobtrusive, learn things, listen to things and be hard to kill.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:06:08 PM)
heal 1 each round... but actually if i'm gonna be hit it'd be pretty hard so
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:06:13 PM)
i wouldn't be offensive anyway
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:06:15 PM)
not in my nature
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:06:20 PM)
armor
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:06:24 PM)
i'll go with the armor
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:06:34 PM)
fights tend not to last more than a round or 2 anyway
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:07:05 PM)
np :) One sec while checking on your merits.
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:07:55 PM)
where is graceful from?
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:08:00 PM)
http://wodpedia.wikidot.com/merits-and-flaws
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:08:26 PM)
ahhh kk
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:08:35 PM)
It's not in the demons players guide so I can't give it to you.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:08:56 PM)
well lemme hop on there real quick then
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:09:09 PM)
what page is merits and flaws from phb
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:09:24 PM)
I don't know :) I have the hard cover book beside me
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:09:34 PM)
there's an index at the back though
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:09:36 PM)
72
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:09:37 PM)
found it
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:09:57 PM)
same with travellers intuition
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:10:10 PM)
let me double check amnesia but I don't think I can give you that either
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:10:13 PM)
yeah i'm catching the drift
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:10:58 PM)
but there are lots of cool ones you can take that will help him
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:11:52 PM)
Eidectic Memory would be perfect for him
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:11:59 PM)
and suit victor down to the ground
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:12:02 PM)
forgettable and acute sense and eidetic memory
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:12:06 PM)
It would also fit with the buddist monk concept
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:12:32 PM)
that would compensate for the blindness while giving me a good memory and making people forget about me in conversations while i listen
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:12:58 PM)
give me a page for forgettable?
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:13:19 PM)
77
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:14:14 PM)
Forgettable means we need to lower his manip to 2 and raise his appearance to 2
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:14:20 PM)
no
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:14:24 PM)
go with good listener then
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:14:28 PM)
next page 1 point merit
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:14:48 PM)
btw in demon blind is a 6 point flaw
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:15:44 PM)
how many points is eidetic memory
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:15:48 PM)
Okay I haven't added up points yet but...... I'm still not super comfortable with melee at 3 for a blind character
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:15:53 PM)
2 pts for eidectic
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:16:18 PM)
2 for eidetic... 1 for good listener 1 for acute sense 2 for enchanting voice
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:16:22 PM)
that's 6 and 6
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:16:58 PM)
you can't have enchanting voice
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:17:01 PM)
oh
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:17:32 PM)
great liar?
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:17:34 PM)
it's a 2 point
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:17:38 PM)
Acute Hearing 1, Lucky 4, Eidectic Memory 2, Good Listener 1... You've got those so far
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:17:55 PM)
that's 8
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:17:58 PM)
He wouldn't want to lie really, because he's a buddist monk
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:18:02 PM)
true
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:18:28 PM)
lets just ditch lucky and work with the others because they suit him
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:18:32 PM)
yeah
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:18:47 PM)
we'll get to points in a moment
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:18:54 PM)
Back to melee for an instant
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:18:58 PM)
I'd like to see it down to 2
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:19:04 PM)
please
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:19:15 PM)
i want to be able to atleast defend myself
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:19:28 PM)
Honestly since he is fighting at diff 8 in all combats anyway, the three dots in melee won't be extroadinarily helpful.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:19:49 PM)
isn't there like a merit blind fighting?
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:20:05 PM)
nope that's a ability in vampire.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:20:12 PM)
it would be with a difficulty of 8... 1 extra dice could be the 8 that i need
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:20:26 PM)
okay I will leave it then :)
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:20:29 PM)
thank you
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:20:30 PM)
Let me add up points.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:20:47 PM)
the blind is a 6 point not 5 that was a typo
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:21:02 PM)
already fixed that :)
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:21:07 PM)
thanks
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Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:23:02 PM)
just a random thought but isn't eidetic memory dealing with vision?
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:23:23 PM)
oh it includes heard too
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:23:25 PM)
sweet
Ogre OOC (Jun 16, 2011 7:23:28 PM)
It's everything you see and hear in WW. but yes RIL it's vision
Ogre OOC (Jun 16, 2011 7:23:32 PM)
*IRL
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:26:22 PM)
Okay points even out fine :)
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:26:26 PM)
good deal
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:26:34 PM)
One last thing though... because we all need to understand this :)
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:27:26 PM)
How has a buddist monk ended up in such a questionable position where he is dealing with crooked cops and gang bangers etc? He obviously has great faith, but his faith has turned away from buddist teachings and become centred on his elohim?
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:27:53 PM)
If you read my background
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:27:56 PM)
i'm from Laos
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:28:07 PM)
Laos was invaded during the vietnam war by the Vietcong
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:28:07 PM)
i will re-read it now, since you have made changes.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:28:29 PM)
the americans worked with certain Lao people to gain information about the enemy
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:28:57 PM)
these are contacts only... means of information
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:29:20 PM)
in regards to me becoming centered on the elohim
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:29:33 PM)
he and the chaplian he met back then
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:30:09 PM)
anyway the chalplain invited him to New Orleans to find the truth... angels (demons) exist
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:30:34 PM)
and considering demons hop from one body to another
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:30:38 PM)
it's a bit like reincarnation
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:30:52 PM)
a soul coming back again and again to achieve perfection
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:31:08 PM)
Alright so how does he reconcile his buddist spirituality and the knowledge of the elohim?
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:31:43 PM)
buddhism spirituality deals with perfecting oneself gaining great wisdom of the cosmos... it's not a religion it's a way of life
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:31:52 PM)
so by connecting with a being of the cosmos
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:31:56 PM)
he gains great knowledge
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:32:14 PM)
and with this armor enhancement
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:32:18 PM)
it's also perfecting the body
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:32:27 PM)
it is one and the same
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:32:55 PM)
they compliment each other the original belief is not altered only enhanced with understanding
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:33:10 PM)
my fiancee is buddhist irl
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:33:14 PM)
i learned some about it
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:33:38 PM)
and they have plenty of folklore about spirits and monsters as well lol
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:34:03 PM)
That works really well :)
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:34:08 PM)
Just wanted to get your take on it
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:34:14 PM)
relog! you are sanctioned :)
Dusk (Jun 16, 2011 7:34:19 PM)
I am now pulling dante's icon
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:34:20 PM)
thanks
Ogre OOC (Jun 16, 2011 7:34:25 PM)
doesn't buddism require you to gain the info yourself?
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:34:38 PM)
but then to what purpose would you listen to an elder monk?
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:00 PM)
you listen to his wisdom so that you may apply it to your own life and experiences
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:07 PM)
it's what we do every day
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:13 PM)
a small child sees an older one riding a bike
Ogre OOC (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:15 PM)
guidance, not a short cut. *Shrugs* was just asking.
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:15 PM)
learning
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:24 PM)
:)
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:31 PM)
ok logging out and starting my new life
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:39 PM)
thanks guys and gals
Savan Singphrachan (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:49 PM)
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Ogre OOC (Jun 16, 2011 7:35:50 PM)
well that kills my IC plans.
Ogre OOC (Jun 16, 2011 7:36:11 PM)
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