Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 8:28:34 PM)
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Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:06:52 PM)
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Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:07:00 PM)
Hello there

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:07:04 PM)
hello

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:07:21 PM)
Thanks for being patient, a bit of a domestic at my end

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:07:53 PM)
Understandable, heard you had confused the meeting day as well, which can happen when things are hectic.

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:08:33 PM)
Actually, I ended up downloading a selection of clocks in a no doubt hopeless attempt to keep track of everyone

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:08:46 PM)
LOL

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:09:31 PM)
Taking this position on top of life has been an intersting experience to say the least...ANyhow, whats up

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:12:08 PM)
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Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:12:19 PM)
Here is my demon ronna

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:12:20 PM)
*sneaks in*

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:12:36 PM)
okay like i have explained to the last two sts before you

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:12:42 PM)
Heya Rona

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:12:45 PM)
Heya

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:13:23 PM)
I am not a expeirence demon player Im wet behind the ears new to the game. Rona has helped me and she is a doll, but alot of things are fuzzy cause chats seem to do things differently as well as each new st

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:13:39 PM)
*nods*

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:13:44 PM)
That they do, different House and all

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:13:50 PM)
I was told with my faith of 3 i could summon her back from hell

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:14:46 PM)
I was told my prayers where automatic with my faith of 3 as well and have used them in the past and have done things like my ritual dust in which my chr keeps in her posion rings

Dusk (Apr 19, 2011 11:14:47 PM)
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Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:15:32 PM)
OKay.... who told you you could summon a demon without a ritual?

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:15:45 PM)
but how to summon her up from hell if she dies i was told now i need to know a ritual and that i have to learn the ritual ic or something and there is a bunch of rolls involving it in which my chr would need to know "rituals" to even roll to learn a new ritual

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:16:35 PM)
Umm the asst that is now in place dastai I told her I would be asking you about it cause frankly i was confused about the entire thing and she did not seem all that less confused them I already was.

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:17:06 PM)
My Demon would teach at least one of her Thralls my Demon has that knowledge and would share it with Alice.

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:18:00 PM)
I do not have rituals on my pcs sheet, I did get aid from peaches and tpo rona when creating the pc but can not find any of these rules in the forums concearning the thrall summoning her demon back from hell..

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:18:07 PM)
*rolls eyes** okay ... it sounds as if you have been told different things from different ST's due to their past chat experiences and the ritual house rules they have there. Truth is, by canon, ritauls are horrible things to learn and cast

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:19:48 PM)
Since I have taken over and I am not casting distertions on past team members, it seems that more than one thing has been accepted as 'the done way' while no hard ruliung has been past on. On the forums I recently posted that Rituals is just another system I am trying to ratify as 'our way'

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:20:08 PM)
Right but the Demon still needs to be assured that one Thrall can at least summon them back, so would it be pssbke for Alice to learn that Ritual? Would that involve my Demon making some sort of "instruction" roll or Alice rolling something to gain the understanding?

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:20:52 PM)
Well, first off, has Alice done anything to try and learn a summoning ritual?

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:22:45 PM)
right my chr spends most of her time in study and in prayer with her brother thrall and when her demon has time she learns more as much as she possidbly can learn to aid her demon cause she truly does live and breathe for her, this summoning her back from hell if she dies is extremly important to my pc, but i got no idea how to go about it mechanic wise. Alice has created things to aid in prayers does know the language at this point as well, she has been learing from rona how to summon her but we have no clue mechanic wise as it changes so frequently and i wanted to request it in a xp request but didnt even know where to start

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:23:14 PM)
*nods* I hear you.

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:23:41 PM)
you can see some of my pcs blue books i actualy role played out the language learning with rona and used different colors and retyped the entire thing so the st could see what we are doing ic

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:23:47 PM)
My Demon is attempting to instruct her on a summoning ritual for her. And I known chats do the systems differently so...yeah where can we start with this?

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:23:52 PM)
i did a like wise thing for her teaching her brother thrall prayers

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:24:16 PM)
Rona, do you have any rituals?

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:24:22 PM)
I did it to show the sts this is what my chr has been doing ic

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:25:11 PM)
Alice, thats fine.. :) what we need to do now is to make it happen for you IC with the mechanic in place, as painlessly as possible for you

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:25:15 PM)
And Alice does LOTS of training to her brother Thrall. I do not have any rituals though would I need to learn one for myself? I figured a Demon would know that already.

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:25:26 PM)
no

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:25:39 PM)
In a ritual for solely themself

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:25:42 PM)
well let be start with a very brief run at the mechanic so we're all one the same page

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:25:55 PM)
cool thank you

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:25:59 PM)
Thanks

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:29:14 PM)
Demonic rituals are long, intricate, hard to learn and very rare. Elohim are the first of all things, created from the will of God and are a part of the very stuff of creation. When an Elohim throws fire for example, they dont heat things up so they combust, they create the abstract concept of fire by manipulating reality itself. A Demon can if they choose, set fire to water if they choose (though when they stopped their focus, it would still go out)

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:29:52 PM)
So, rituals that effect them, call them, in effect bend reality far more that say, a Mage does

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:31:46 PM)
so

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:32:50 PM)
Rituals bend reality, though without a Mages power. They are feulled by faith alone and so they take a lot longer and invoke the celestial connection to the cosmos

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:34:13 PM)
In the corebook, I believe, one of the stories being told is how one Demon taught their Thrall how to summon them back from the Abyss should something happen. It could take months to leanr, page 257 in the core

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:34:39 PM)
So its not impossible for her to learn, correct? It would just takes many session, months to learn it

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:34:56 PM)
Now, while there are summoning rituals and binding rituals that have been written,m they are of course jealosly guarded. they cannot be cast by Demons (they just can't lol) but due to their nature, most Demons recognise what they can do and so kill the casters who know them. Some Demons keep that knowledge, others destroy it

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:35:31 PM)
Yes just like True Names :P

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:35:36 PM)
oh you learn it, im just clarrifying the ... immencity of what they represent

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:35:50 PM)
aye, Rona, just like that

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:35:56 PM)
Awesome

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:37:07 PM)
Now, the sticking point here, and I already have something in mind so don't freak out lol, the sticking point is that in order to summon a specific demon, you need to create a custom ritual for said demon

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:37:09 PM)
The roll is intelligence Plus occult difficulty seven

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:37:45 PM)
and twenty five concecutive sux, no botches

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:38:25 PM)
Made over a period of game seesions... remember that system is intended for your TT group, not for folk like us

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:38:30 PM)
i don't need to buy rituals do i then? that is my question i have occult but 0 in rituals i have played theurges and in order to do a garou ritual you need dots in rituals

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:39:17 PM)
I am in fact going to introduce a rituals background, that will be directly linked to a players occult knowledge

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:39:35 PM)
My Demon was summoned by a group of mortals that show she "escaped" the Abyss. The Host body she has -is- the woman whom offered herself up for my Demon. And cool on that BG

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:39:39 PM)
occult reflects a mortals knowledge of the ecceteric

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:39:53 PM)
I would LOVE to see Infernal Library as a BG but thats just me :P

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:40:13 PM)
occult library has already been introduced

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:40:56 PM)
Not Occult..Infernal

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:41:05 PM)
Demon specific stuffs

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:41:17 PM)
Old tomes...that sort

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:41:48 PM)
it's on the forums and has up until recently been buried in a post called house rules, however if you look in my recent 'Demon creation rules', it is there. Demons don't write books of rituals, they have lores

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:42:13 PM)
Occult library, in the Demon venue, reflects mainly Demonic content

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:42:28 PM)
Its the same thing then, alrighty

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:42:31 PM)
So in effect, its what your askling for

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:42:34 PM)
:)

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:42:37 PM)
Cool

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:42:42 PM)
Now, here is my idea

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:43:08 PM)
I can't cheat and just give you auto knowledge, but I can bend the situation I see before me to my will lol

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:43:30 PM)
Like a Patterns Fiend!

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:43:33 PM)
:)

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:43:51 PM)
Did either of your chars know Jaqueline rose blanc?

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:44:00 PM)
well i mean she has been doing the prayers she does have the demon language on her sheet from a prior request

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:44:01 PM)
Yessssss

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:44:30 PM)
well, she has recent;ly quit the city to found a ... sex cult isand or something

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:44:49 PM)
ohhh well i won't be going there

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:44:51 PM)
no offence

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:44:54 PM)
lol

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:44:59 PM)
Thats my girl :)

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:45:34 PM)
The player has deleted and that was her IC intention for the char I think,... hey, whatever works .... but anyhow, she had an extensive occult library

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:45:49 PM)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:46:09 PM)
*insert Fiend drool here*

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:46:55 PM)
If someone were to attempt to steal it, buy it, charm it from Alex (something) her partner... as he hasn't deleted I notice, well, it woudl be effectively up for grabs

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:48:10 PM)
Hmmm. Steal it would be awesome stuffs. However...someone is trying to make Rona a "better Demon"...not steal things :P Myabe Alice can charm him?

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:48:16 PM)
Maybe

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:48:36 PM)
I would happily allow a player an IC reason to take occult on the basis of aquiring it, further more, I might even be convinced to allow a slightly accelerated learning curve, say the first 2 dots of occult in the one request, due to the nature of the library

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:49:15 PM)
As to your creation of the ritual, once you have the occult, I am happy to run a scene or 2 for you guys if you want to seek out a teacher

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:49:52 PM)
that would NOT involve 25 consequeutive rolls to learn, but just being there would suffice

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:50:04 PM)
so i have occult 3

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:50:14 PM)
i could aquire occult 4 or 5 you are saying?

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:50:39 PM)
no no no, if you already have occult 3, your golden.... oh I seee

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:50:50 PM)
i have occult 3 and intell 4

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:50:53 PM)
;)

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:50:54 PM)
before you said you had no occult, you meant no occult in tituals

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:51:09 PM)
rituals even

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:51:13 PM)
gotcha

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:51:15 PM)
i just was told i needed to roll rituals not occult i have 0 rituals it was not something offered at creation and i had asked about it

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:51:25 PM)
blech

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:51:33 PM)
i have occult 3 intel 4

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:51:42 PM)
Yeahhhhh see our confusion? lol

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:51:57 PM)
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Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:52:30 PM)
*will wait before responding*

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:52:47 PM)
She will be right back

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:53:07 PM)
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Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:53:54 PM)
well, what im going to do is introduce a rituals bg, but the system for casting a ritual by canon is

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:54:29 PM)
creating the sigil (casting circle) which is dex and occult(diff 6)

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:54:55 PM)
(why dex not intel?)

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:55:10 PM)
its not my game, ask ww lol

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:55:30 PM)
and then the casting is an extended faith roll

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:55:41 PM)
How many suxx?

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:56:02 PM)
p.183-84

Legion (Apr 19, 2011 11:56:09 PM)
one sec, just cross referencing

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:56:27 PM)
thought it was occult intel diff 7?

Alice Grey (Apr 19, 2011 11:56:32 PM)
Im so confused

Rona Bennett (Apr 19, 2011 11:56:36 PM)
Awwwww