Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:49:30 PM)
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Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 5:49:38 PM)
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Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 5:50:03 PM)
i have a small child throwing toys at me randomly, so i may be quiet at moments

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 5:50:41 PM)
the backstory is my first go at one in over 4-5 years so plz let me know if there is anything i did not cover that i should have

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:51:03 PM)
ok let me look and ill be speaking with you im sure

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:56:18 PM)
people watyching for a specialty in perception?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:56:25 PM)
Is there a reason for that?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:56:33 PM)
I know i read his back history

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:56:39 PM)
and that he watches people

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:57:38 PM)
but perhaps attension to detail as you have your empathy specialty as emotional states allready

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 5:57:44 PM)
well, i didnt see one that was listed that quite fit what i wanted

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:57:53 PM)
that is pretty much peoples emotional states right there

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 5:58:21 PM)
basically i wanted the perception specialty to focus on people's actions and things about them as opposed to other stuff going on, if that makes sense?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:58:43 PM)
so you have emotional states as empathy specialty and "perception to detail" would give you that added edge to note the enviorments which trigger those states in peoples emotions?

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 5:59:15 PM)
the attention to detail specialty would work i guess, ut is close enough

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 5:59:59 PM)
I figured like some one might be happy when they are at the jazz club with there wife, but the rest of the week they are a working class no body, so if you see them at work they might look miserable you see them in a jazz enviorment around there favorite music with the woman they love on there arm and you notice the difference in there emotional state?

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:00:18 PM)
sure that works

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:00:41 PM)
so attension to detail as the specialty for perception got cha!

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:01:05 PM)
:)

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:03:56 PM)
you have 0 cosmology, and 0 rituals?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:04:31 PM)
waut i see the rituals

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:05:03 PM)
i thought i had 1 in cosmo?

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:05:04 PM)
hmmm

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:05:06 PM)
might i ask which book the fetish puzzle box is in?

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:05:39 PM)
umm players guide if i remember right

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:05:46 PM)
ok 3rd edition yes?

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:06:03 PM)
pg 145

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:06:16 PM)
yeah it is called Puzzle Board i think i may have mistyped the name

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:06:32 PM)
nope got the name right, just changed the shape slightly

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:06:48 PM)
or well, defined the shape i guess is more accurate

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:13:18 PM)
find it?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:15:26 PM)
yes page 145

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:15:52 PM)
that okay to have as a Rubik's cube?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:15:59 PM)
in was adding notes to the sheet and placing it in equimpment and such

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:16:08 PM)
i don't see why not

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:17:12 PM)
ah cool

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:17:21 PM)
you do not have rite of dedication you understand yes?

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:17:27 PM)
yep

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:17:38 PM)
just not enough points to go around yet

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:17:53 PM)
ok

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:17:54 PM)
it and cleansing and a few others are on the short list for once in game x_x

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:19:13 PM)
ohh how bout we put some of this will power into rites?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:19:35 PM)
7 in wp is a bit to high and i don't see really good justification in the background for it either

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:20:04 PM)
fianna start at only 3 wp

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:21:00 PM)
hmm, well the Fianna book talked about Philodox being the most stubborn and willfil of the tribe due to having to keep everyone else in line and such... wanted to play up the stereotype... that even though he isnt the most experienced kid on the block he is stubborn, fiercely loyal to those he cares about, etc...

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:25:58 PM)
*nods* however lets keep in mind even the most stubborn and willfull fianna is still going to be less then another tribe due to there tribal weakness?

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:26:24 PM)
hmm creation says yall dont use tribal weaknesses though?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:26:39 PM)
Removing 1 dot from there and putting it at 6 and adding that dot to rites and adding the rite of dedication would make more sence?

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:27:13 PM)
why would that make more sense?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:30:41 PM)
Because you know a punishment rite and how to properly appologise but as a homid you do not have any way to dedicate clothing or even a weapon. Also the rite of dedication is done durring the lunar phase under which you where birthed, and it would be i would think some thing a homid born, from a primarly homid tribe, would know it?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:32:14 PM)
your back ground pretty much makes you city based you where not raised in the woods where slipping out of the umbra naked or in lupus was acceptable.

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:32:17 PM)
well he wouldnt need a weapon... and frankly dedication is only useful for clothing if you want to wear the same thing all the time

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:32:56 PM)
Eh, i was leaning more towards suburbs, thus the basic survival and stealth skills as well

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:33:18 PM)
Okay ill continue on through the sheet for now

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:33:38 PM)
but i mean i see it being an inconvience, but no more that wearing the same thing all the time would be... as a teenager if you do that and arent dirt poor it would raise its own questions i would think

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:37:48 PM)
Cosmology is your garou knowledge and is your understanding of garou lore and garou law

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:38:14 PM)
law is not garou law in chat, thus do you want to add a point to cosmology?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:38:58 PM)
as you currently have no coismology but you have law 2 and investigations 3 enigmas 3 and rituals 2?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:39:09 PM)
Cosmology

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:39:15 PM)
ummm

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:39:28 PM)
Rituals covers lore and Law garou law according to the character creation thing...

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:39:47 PM)
You got it it was rituals not cosmology.. Forgive that mistake..

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:40:11 PM)
okay then it seems your pretty much set..

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:40:22 PM)
Cosmology covers spirit lore and umbra knowledge... eh i can get by learning more of that in game as a Dox Homid i think

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:40:33 PM)
*nods*

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:40:42 PM)
okay, anything else then?

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:41:20 PM)
You know what...

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:41:56 PM)
I only defined 2 of my 5 kinfolk... how about moving that dot over to rituals to get the Talisman Dedication you were talking about... and then i dont have to figure out who those other 3 are....

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:42:15 PM)
ok

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:44:28 PM)
anything else or good to go?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:45:13 PM)
Everything else is fine, I will be presactioning the pc for you. A st will be contacting you shortly about the will power 7.

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:45:42 PM)
okay

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:46:00 PM)
who do i need to keep an eye out for for that?

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 6:46:17 PM)
they are coming on now

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:46:31 PM)
oh cool

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:52:04 PM)
afk a few minutes while waiting then

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 6:53:07 PM)
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Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 6:53:17 PM)
what's up?

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 6:54:05 PM)
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Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:55:22 PM)
back

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:55:36 PM)
gabby said needed your okay for my WP and such

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 6:56:37 PM)
well Im reading the background now.

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 6:57:06 PM)
Im not seeing any reasoning for WP over 5 written there

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:57:28 PM)
kk, im going for a rather stereotypical Fianna Dox, which according to the tribe book are the most willful of their tribe and such

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 6:57:40 PM)
And five IS willful for a Fianna

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:58:55 PM)
hmmm... not according to the book it isnt...

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 6:59:43 PM)
He's a fresh, relatively sheltered cliath - no adversities, no hardships, no particular focus...

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 6:59:44 PM)
the willpower section in the core book talks about young pups fresh out of the Rite of Passage boasting 6 or 7

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 7:00:02 PM)
SOME.

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 7:01:07 PM)
Fianna's initial WP is 3. You are asking for more than double their base willpower without any kind of justification beyond, what - his auspice?

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:01:16 PM)
Catnik does have a point. The character, according to the background hasn't really had anything to say he's overcome such things to justify a high willpower.

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 7:02:02 PM)
Compare his circumstances to the rigid training applied to a Shadow Lord, or the hardships of a Gnawer... and his situation is practically easy street.

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:02:31 PM)
I would like to make a suggestion Patrick

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:02:43 PM)
Something that would benefit the character

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:03:26 PM)
Lower the WP to 6 and take a point of rites for Preserving the Fetish. Given your puzzlebox, you may want that one.

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 7:03:37 PM)
Saying that he is focused and dedicated, due to his auspice and personality is a justification for an increase in WP - which is why nobody objects to a few points. It's the 7 that seems to be a bit far - 7 is pretty much the absolute -peak- for a starting character, and is not actually terribly common amongst established PCs.

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 7:03:55 PM)
So? one could argue that the same "harsh circumstances" can break someone's will as easily as it can build it. I am wanting to play the thoughtful, in control type character... one who despite the passions of his tribe keeps them in check himself for the most part, despite the frivoulties of youth. Someone who would rather play puzzle games and think than act in many circumstances....

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 7:04:43 PM)
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Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 7:04:44 PM)
Preserving the Fetish? where is that from? never read it i dont think...

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:04:54 PM)
Looking it up for you

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 7:04:56 PM)
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Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:05:35 PM)
revised players guide.

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:05:41 PM)
Page 199 i think.

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:05:46 PM)
Let me check to be sure

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:07:10 PM)
yeah Players Guide to the Garou page 199

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:07:23 PM)
Level 1 Mystic rite.

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 7:07:32 PM)
ooh, didnt even know there was a rite for that... figured that was covered by rituals knowledge... hmmm

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:07:53 PM)
Designed to honor and preserve the spirit within a fesish, or other spirit-imbued object.

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:09:06 PM)
usually involves cleaning and perhaps making repairs for the item.

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 7:09:08 PM)
i would rather have that than Talisman Dedication really... I dont see TD as that necessary really just took it cause Gabby said she thought it was... hmmm... i really want the high wp, stubborn guy and stuff... but if yall wont allow it then i guess ill go with the two rites...

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:09:41 PM)
yeah the WP just doesn't make a lot of sence for the background you wrote.

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:09:52 PM)
I'll allow 6 WP though

Catnik (Jan 12, 2011 7:10:00 PM)
TD is useful in that "not running around in your nudie-patooties post-frenzy" type way...

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:10:17 PM)
heh

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 7:10:31 PM)
Yeah, but its only useful if you wear the same dang thing all the time, which he wouldnt

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 7:10:55 PM)
i mean he may have something for moots or planned battle missions i guess, but not for everyday wear

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:11:00 PM)
it also allows you to take your clothes to the umbra.

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:11:09 PM)
or other important items

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:11:13 PM)
like that fetish

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 7:11:38 PM)
i thought any attuned fetish went with you without difficulty?

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:11:56 PM)
you still have to have it dedicated.

Zhaed (Jan 12, 2011 7:12:08 PM)
it just doesn't cost against your gnosis score

Patrick Smith (Jan 12, 2011 7:12:35 PM)
okay, *sigh* ill go with the 2 rites and wp6 i guess

Gabby Girl (Jan 12, 2011 7:14:53 PM)
log out and back in please

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