Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 8:56:41 PM)
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Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 8:59:46 PM)
Ty for coming hades
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:00:02 PM)
*Sits close to SB and looks all official*
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:00:07 PM)
^_~
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:00:30 PM)
Hehehe.....I'm going to start the Holy Order of the Gazebo.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:00:41 PM)
*Giggles and cutsup with Hades until GG looks at her all mean like*
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:00:41 PM)
For the record Hades.. boot anyone that's not on WtA staff or an Admin.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:00:46 PM)
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Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:00:52 PM)
that's a pretty guessable password
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:01:33 PM)
Yeah, though I was lazy and prodded Bunnie for it
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:01:57 PM)
Mostly because I enjoy using my poking stick +2 when in blues
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:02:21 PM)
Fine as they saw fit to move up the time....where is our fearless leader?
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:02:58 PM)
*hides the body* dont know havnt seen him
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:04:12 PM)
Not sure where Ghostlin is, since I don't see him on Skype
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:04:29 PM)
<.< >.>
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:04:50 PM)
he shall be on im sure
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:04:57 PM)
he would not miss his own venue meeting
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:05:34 PM)
Unless it's because he's getting old and senile and forgot the time. But I'll go with GG's idea too :)
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:05:52 PM)
Hades just enjoys his bunnie torturing devices in general.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:06:00 PM)
Pretty much.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:06:05 PM)
This is true, yes
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:06:24 PM)
Especially something as simple "Please come to my office". Very diabolical, that one
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:06:32 PM)
Oh my...god..
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:06:36 PM)
that was epic
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:06:42 PM)
It still makes me cry a little.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:06:46 PM)
That was cruel.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:07:08 PM)
I got time for a smoke?
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:07:16 PM)
Seems like
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:07:27 PM)
O.O
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:07:30 PM)
Probably....even if your a smidge late well....I doubt he can fault you considering.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:07:48 PM)
old people *shakes head*
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:09:50 PM)
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Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:09:55 PM)
Missing Catnik, and Ghost.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:10:24 PM)
Good evening, ladies and gents.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:11:40 PM)
Another name for the DDO Guild I thought of was Rabbit with Big Pointy Teeth.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:11:51 PM)
Heh
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:11:57 PM)
Vorpal Bunny.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:12:06 PM)
That'd work too. So long as Bunnie didn't think we were naming it after her
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:12:23 PM)
Just a Flesh Wound ?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:12:23 PM)
Ref: Monty Python, Holy Grail.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:12:39 PM)
Or the Knights who Say Ni.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:12:49 PM)
thats the name there
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:12:50 PM)
WE! ARE THE KNIGHTS WHO SAAAAY..nee
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:12:52 PM)
Cause SB can be very vicious, I'm sure.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:12:58 PM)
knights who say... neee
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:13:55 PM)
I am Vicious.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:13:55 PM)
it
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:14:02 PM)
Grrrr!!!
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:14:05 PM)
:)
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:14:11 PM)
Castle Arrrrrgh
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:14:19 PM)
*feeds the rabbit carrots
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:14:59 PM)
It's starting to look like I would have had time to go to the gym. This makes me grumpy.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:15:13 PM)
shall i call ghostlin?
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:15:18 PM)
please
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:15:19 PM)
?
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:15:28 PM)
Might be a good idea, in case he got the time zones messed up
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:15:51 PM)
could be that he lost internet for a moment
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:16:45 PM)
His phone isn't tied to his connection is it? Example being with my cable package, phone, net, TV is in a bundle. When it goes out I tend to lose them all.
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 9:17:51 PM)
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Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:18:05 PM)
nah
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:18:13 PM)
it's his cell
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:18:52 PM)
OK we got ALL but our fearless leader.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:18:56 PM)
got his answering machine left him a message
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:19:02 PM)
hmm
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:19:11 PM)
Could be he's occupied for the moment.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:19:17 PM)
Maybe getting laid
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:19:29 PM)
I know if I was getting laid I'd be missing this meeting
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:19:34 PM)
mind out of gutter zhead
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:19:36 PM)
*In bad Boris and Nikita voice* What we do now, oh fearless leader? Moose and squirrel are still the loose
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:19:43 PM)
So. Since our leader isn't here to lay down the law. I nominate Crypt to chair.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:19:43 PM)
maybe having a sitdown?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:19:50 PM)
<.< >.> Well if thats the case it might improve his outlook once he gets here.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:20:32 PM)
Any naysayers?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:20:38 PM)
for what?
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:20:39 PM)
Yeah
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:20:47 PM)
putting Crypt on the chair?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:20:53 PM)
Is it an electric chair?
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 9:21:00 PM)
the comfy chair?
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:21:01 PM)
Okay. *Prime 3, Matter 3, Life 2 effect* *Crypt is now a chair*
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:21:04 PM)
i like electricity
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:21:08 PM)
Only after we check to make certain it's plugged in properly
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:21:22 PM)
I think it should be Hades or Z
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:21:40 PM)
Or we just have to wait for Ghost.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:21:44 PM)
This was lead in for a joke. *bops Bunny*
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 9:21:55 PM)
what about a small setee?
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:06 PM)
Sorry...I was working on a DB for Kinfolk..
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:09 PM)
setee?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:10 PM)
I bet he shows up at 10, with a timezone mixup.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:16 PM)
nah
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:17 PM)
Matter 3 is all that's needed for "Vampire to Lawn Chair," I'm told.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:28 PM)
he's the one that changed the time on the skype today
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:32 PM)
9pm est
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:38 PM)
Thats why I be confused.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:48 PM)
unlike me, he knows his time zones
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 9:22:48 PM)
http://www.horchow.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=cprod67950019&ecid=HCCIGoogleFeed&003=5841029&010=H4WGL&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=H4WGL
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:23:09 PM)
O.o
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 9:23:10 PM)
settee!
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:23:15 PM)
I'd rather it be a Gazebo.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:23:29 PM)
Holy order ot fht Gazebo
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:23:39 PM)
I'll make the Guild tonight....
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:23:54 PM)
Gazebo...of doom
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:23:56 PM)
That and I might by the Orc slot on my account just because.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:23:57 PM)
A Gazebo! A quiet garden indeed!
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:24:19 PM)
Later... "This reminds me of the time we lynched the davenport."
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:25:58 PM)
ok any lesser issues we can deal with until Ghost gets here?
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:26:49 PM)
My feet are cold.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:26:53 PM)
What should I do about this?
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 9:26:59 PM)
slippers
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:27:00 PM)
Set your socks on fire?
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:27:02 PM)
put on sucks
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:27:10 PM)
*throws Jenn a cat to snuggle her feet and chew her toes*
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:27:12 PM)
Let me find some sucks...
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:27:34 PM)
im poor what can i do about this ?
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:27:40 PM)
Oh I know I'll close the vent down by my feet
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:27:50 PM)
Rob a bank
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 9:27:59 PM)
lotto!
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:27:59 PM)
Steal from the rich?
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:28:05 PM)
Mug people?
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:28:05 PM)
I have one!
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:28:06 PM)
Give to the poor! Me!
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:28:09 PM)
here we go people
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:28:15 PM)
Im glad Im safe.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:28:21 PM)
Here we go for what?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:28:37 PM)
Im to poor to be mugged
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:28:45 PM)
if you would all open your WTA 3rd Edition Core books to page 183 184
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:28:52 PM)
Muggers look at me and feel sorry and give me moneys
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:29:05 PM)
* mugs zhaed just because *
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:29:10 PM)
Loss of renown can indeed make you loose rank without a punishment rite.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:29:44 PM)
...yes?
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:29:44 PM)
It can indeed make you loose permant dots of renown if you do not have enough tempory renown to be deducted
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:29:55 PM)
This isn't common knowledge?
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:30:08 PM)
to some people it isnt
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:30:11 PM)
with that being said the chat allows players to claim negative renown for other players
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:31:33 PM)
If a character doesn't have sufficient temporary Renown to make up for the deficit, a point of permanent Renown is converted into 10 temporary Renown in order to make up the difference. For instance, Caldwell Fire-Licker succumbed to temptation and mated with another Garou. The Storyteller deems that he loses five temporary Honor and three temporary Wisdom for his transgression. Caldwell has 3 permanent Honor, but only 2 temporary Honor; he drops to 0 temporary Honor, converts a point of permanent Honor into 10 temporary Honor, and subtracts the remainingthree points. Caldwell winds up with 2 permanent Honor and 7 temporary Honor. He may even lose a rank for his night of ill-advised passion.
If a character suffers a loss of permanent Renown that drops the rating below the requirements of her current rank, she loses all benefits and privileges of that rank. She may retain knowledge and Gifts learned at that rank, however.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:31:37 PM)
that?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:32:32 PM)
The only question I ever really had is....can a base starter claith who screws up and looses there perm points...does that "cub" them?
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:32:43 PM)
It can.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:32:46 PM)
yep
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:32:50 PM)
That would make the char unplayable though.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:32:57 PM)
yes by those rules it can
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:33:05 PM)
but they retain gifts and knowledges that they had as a Cliath.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:33:25 PM)
I'm not sure it would, thematicly
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 9:33:38 PM)
i always figured boomerang cubs were treated differently from genuine ones
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 9:33:50 PM)
less coddling
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:33:51 PM)
*thumbs to fearsome rabbit*and thus is why i am asking how we plan to tackle this as a team because I have gotten some renown hits from pcs for other pcs that i fear will be knocking the rank of a particular claith right to cub
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:34:29 PM)
give me a moment and i shall post you the first one
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:34:30 PM)
To be a cub again would imply that they would have to go through their RoP again and that they would lose their tribal affiliation until they regained the starting amounts.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:34:44 PM)
*nods to hades*
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:35:02 PM)
I believe the maximum you can lose from a single incident is "down to starting renown for the next-lower rank."
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:35:03 PM)
Negatives for Eyes Like the Sky
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:35:08 PM)
IE death sentence
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:35:12 PM)
In one of the games I ran, mostly to minimize the boomer-rang cub symdrome, AND to avoid the strain of multiple RoPs.....I didn't have someone get to true "cub" until they hit rock bottom, as in no perm at all.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:35:21 PM)
Saphirra
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:35:24 PM)
it's in the core book
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:35:28 PM)
Breaking the Litany: -.5 to -.8H, -.2W to -.4W
A lot of the following supports this, thuspotentially making things redundant.
Tenents broken- Respect those beneath ye, all are of Gaia; Submission to those of higher station;
Respect the territory of another [in this case verbally pissing over a Fenrir kin and a Gnawer kin
in the presence of their respective guardian/mates].
Not submitting to higher station: -.3H
Eyes has repeatedly and unapologetically insulted a number of those ranking Fostern, ranging from her attitude
toward the Fenrir to the events which had lead to Tristan dunking her in the swamp for her stubbornness.
Abusing others of Gaia: -.4H
Having poor relations with kin: -.3W
While she has not outright attacked anyone that I'm aware of, she has shown herself to be unrelentingly
hateful toward anyone and everyone outside of Pure One stock, and even then she has been offencive in
placing her own children at risk by bringing them into the company of higher Rage Garou. Furthermore
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:35:56 PM)
Furthermore,
she has treated kin especially disdainfully, such as talking gossip concerning Kaia as well as arguing with Lenore
over her poor handling of the garden when the kin [who is Assistant Den Mother] demanded to know what Eyes
was doing messing up the garden Lenore has put a lot of work into maintaining.
Being deceptive: -.3H
Though she's a terrible liar, Eyes has repeatedly stated she wanted to find some means of getting along,
yet turns right around insulting people in the next turn. She has declared how horrible everything has been
for her People, preventing her from accepting anyone who is not a Pure One, declaring how people should
respect her ways, yet apparently has not offered to teach these others what it is to live with the land
as the Pure Ones have, too interested in making a scene rather than working toward the friendship she claims
to desire. Continuously claiming greater knowledge and skill than she has in order to impress her superiority
over others.
Being a dr
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:36:14 PM)
Being a drain on Pack: -.7H, -.4W
... Sept: -5H, -.3W
... Tribe: -.3H, -.2W
Speaking dishonourably to one's elders: -.1 to -.5H [? not sure where on the severity scale this is]
Not sure this is compounded or just the worst case... From an outside perspective, the actions Eyes
has taken have driven her pack from her, leaving Odanata's Chosen decimated as half its membership
split away to distance themselves from her continued idiocy. Her actions have lead to trouble with
the whole of the Sept as she played at gossip and argued with its Mistress of the Challenge, insulting
that woman's ability to perform her job openly, and further making a scene until she backed out of her
own challenge to avoid the consequences. All of these actions have impacted the tribe, which is limited
in the area as it is, adding a negative face to the otherwise proud and fearsome Wendigo.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:36:37 PM)
((can we stop with the huge post drops))
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:37:05 PM)
My comment on this is "for each incident, only one report counts." So.. if five people report your cowardace in running from a battle, you only lose the renown once. And you can't (just like positive renown) lose more than one permanent for anything less than monumental failures.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:37:15 PM)
*cowardice
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:39:11 PM)
the core book states that you don't have the temporary renown you convert permenant renown to temporary.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:39:13 PM)
ghostlin is comming in now
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:39:15 PM)
OK in one of the games I ran, they didn't hit cub stage until they lost ALL perm points. What I had was a nebulous, "in the doghouse" stage. Still a claith, still in there tribe even though they were technically below starter renown.....but they were treated as "the screwup". If they continued to screw up to the point they had no more renown left at all, thats when I had them needing a new RoP etc.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:39:15 PM)
My thoughts would be to say that the lowest a person can be knocked down in renown is to the cliath level of their particular auspice, regardless of how badly they behave
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:40:38 PM)
The method I am outlining, isn't "by the book" precisely but could save the ST team headaches.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:40:39 PM)
Though realy if you wanted to hammer people with renown loss in such fashion then you probably should be issuing punishment rites.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:42:02 PM)
Perhaps use the Players Notes area to give them a deficient tracker of negative renown they have to pay against if they would drop down to below cliath?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:42:19 PM)
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Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:42:20 PM)
that would work as well
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:42:23 PM)
Yes. The caps and gloves come off with renown losses. It's much more public than "I'm mumbling this to the spirits."
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:42:25 PM)
Could track that on the sheet as easily.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:42:27 PM)
Hey Ghostlin
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:42:44 PM)
WIth rites, I mean.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:42:52 PM)
My apologies. My errands took longer than I thought
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:42:56 PM)
What did I miss?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:43:00 PM)
topic: Renown loss.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:43:01 PM)
Nothing really.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:43:07 PM)
And rank loss
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:43:08 PM)
Say a cliath was to set to lose 5 points in Glory but they didn't have any to spare, they could remain cliath but would have to earn 6pts of Glory before they started seeing their standing rising again?
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:43:15 PM)
ok we are having connection problems so if i gewt booted or dotn respond to questions you know what happened
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:43:16 PM)
Yes.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:43:38 PM)
*minus the last ?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:43:51 PM)
That gets complicated record keeping wise.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:44:10 PM)
Better to mark the negs using existing renown scales on the sheet.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:44:37 PM)
If you have 0 perm, 0 temp, you can't go lower.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:45:00 PM)
Exactly your that in the shitter....your a cub. Or ....you've ronin'd yourself.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:45:14 PM)
Ghostlin take a look in the core book page 183 and 184 under renown loss
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:45:16 PM)
At rock bottom it just....doesn't matter anymore.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:45:42 PM)
Guys, I knew 183-184.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:45:47 PM)
ok
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:45:49 PM)
I'm just throwing out ideas that may save you all some headache and make it simplier to keep track of
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:45:51 PM)
Thing is, you can't really get below Cliath.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:45:59 PM)
Cub isn't really A RANK.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:46:19 PM)
Just cliath with renown less that the starting 3 dots then
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:46:20 PM)
You can't undo the Rite of Passage by renown loss.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:46:44 PM)
My suggestion. Renown loss can be applied by player report. It will be added to your renown thread for tracking, and to your sheet like positive renown. It can make you lose a rank, but no more than 1 permanent point loss (of each type) per month without a Rite.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:47:38 PM)
If you have less than 3 perm renown, you're probably in the shit anyway, but you're not..less than claith, because you made your RoP
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:48:01 PM)
I still think such claims should be handled with punishment rites.. if people start noticing that the big dogs are ghetting more serious, they'll tend to screw up less.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:48:10 PM)
Right.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:48:18 PM)
But you can loose the renown you just have to regian it and you do not tequnicaly become a cub due to it correct?
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 9:48:27 PM)
I think that's the question though, Ghostlin. Can you drop down below the starting renown for your auspice?
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:48:30 PM)
If you lose your way down to <3 Permanent, you'll be up for Ostracism at the least, or "reeducation" at best, or heading for death.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:48:31 PM)
Yes.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:48:33 PM)
You can.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:48:39 PM)
So you go by the system of a ..."disgraced level" we'll call it. Where they are still claith despite having less than starter renown?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:48:40 PM)
You can't get less than 0 total renown.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:49:13 PM)
That is what I think ghostlin is saying windseeker
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:49:17 PM)
Correct?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:49:18 PM)
You can't undo a RoP, it's ratified by an Incarna and is there call to take off.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:49:39 PM)
Very slowly. You can get less than 3 points of renown.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:49:43 PM)
OK then. What if they hit rock bottom Ghostlin....I mean not even a temp to there name?
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:49:55 PM)
Except through Permanent Ostracism, which de-tribes you, is a Rite, and makes you Ronin.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:50:04 PM)
....Then...well, let's say in a mythical land this happened.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:50:17 PM)
Happened in one of my games actually...once.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:50:24 PM)
Because you'd be DEAD really before that point.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:50:27 PM)
Was a time I was much too tolerant.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:50:48 PM)
OK...so they'd be sent to re-education or Ronin'd well before that happened anyway.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:50:49 PM)
The Nation would of culled due to the sickness tenant. You're not even good for screwing a Kin at that point.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:51:01 PM)
Or reeducation.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:51:05 PM)
Question answered.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 9:51:41 PM)
So whats your agenda Ghostlin?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:51:43 PM)
If it somehow HAPPEN, like someone gained enough renown loss and we ratified it, and keep in mind you'd have to lose over 30 total renown without a gain.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:51:51 PM)
heh... we sent one to Valkenburg.. Im sure there's room for more.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:52:04 PM)
I'd probably exile your character or kill you for gross stupidity.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:52:51 PM)
Of course, if you're suffering -that- much renown loss, you're probably heading for the Wyrmish side anyway, and likely to be picked up by our local... *cough* ANYWAY.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:52:58 PM)
....Or that.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:53:12 PM)
O.O
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:53:15 PM)
Although renown loss=/= gross evil.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:53:42 PM)
Anyhow. Tonight's agenda.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:53:43 PM)
True. But you'll be drawing attention of spirits of greed/cowardice/hatred/envy/regret/frustration/etc.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:53:47 PM)
but redemption through transmogrification has happened before.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:53:51 PM)
I have one or two announcements to start with.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:54:06 PM)
Then I'll open the floor to topics of discussion.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:54:08 PM)
So ruleing they can be docked below claith renown without becoming a cub, they can loose fostern rank and become a claith if they loose enough renown. Correct?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:54:16 PM)
Yes.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:54:23 PM)
This is with 183-184.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 9:54:25 PM)
*Marks that in her notes*
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:55:54 PM)
The first announcement: you will all be asked to talk to the admins fairly soon. The admins have expressed the need since our long break of discussing with each of you. This is your time to raise any issues you do not raise with me, answer their questions and give your opinion of even how I'm doing.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 9:56:59 PM)
Ohno. Admins. They'll EAT us. I mean, ok.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:57:22 PM)
SB will not survive that talk, just so you know.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:57:41 PM)
I'll be sure to recommend a defiberator to that meeting.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:57:43 PM)
:(
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:58:53 PM)
SB?
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 9:58:55 PM)
I'll make sure I don't eat anything before the meeting.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 9:59:07 PM)
oh nm
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 9:59:10 PM)
Scary Bunnie
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 9:59:20 PM)
Second announcement, and yes, I'm plowing through this: soapbox. My expectation of all of you when posting there is to not post anything about WtA in our thread. You may talk about other games, if you play them, keep in mind if you're an outed ST your opinion will be taken with a grain of salt. Also, please refrain from poking the trolls.
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 10:00:01 PM)
ie, 9/10ths of soapbox's commenters...
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:00:02 PM)
Aw. But they're so squishy and soft-headed... I mean, 'k.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:00:08 PM)
i cant post there
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:00:12 PM)
I plan on NEVER going back there personally.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:00:12 PM)
<<<< is banned
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:00:33 PM)
Excuse the comment before I make it but "Fuck Soapbox"
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:00:39 PM)
^_^
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:00:46 PM)
That's kind of what I said to 'gory.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:01:05 PM)
That's the offical werewolf policy. If the admins want to continue to post Werewolf revelant announcements, more power to them.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:01:41 PM)
And Hades, that's not meant to sound harsh. ;)
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:01:46 PM)
You can always feed the Admins press feeds.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:02:05 PM)
That's the offical way we're supposed to do it, it gets handled through Gory.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:03:36 PM)
I tend to ignore the site as much as possible, personally. I believe it's outlived it's usefulness and is just a gathering place for trolls.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:03:48 PM)
Third announcement: I want everyone who has a tribal assignment to get with their players and beat out their SLs and such. Kin, you too. I'd like these scheduled by end of Feburary.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:04:05 PM)
I'd like them done by end of first quarter, which is end of March.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:04:21 PM)
we may need to reassign tribes by the way ghostlin.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:04:24 PM)
I will be popping in on some of the more...tense meetings.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:04:37 PM)
I keep working with the Wendigo, but the amount of talking I'm getting back is minimal.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:04:38 PM)
(And the ones I'm a player in.)
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:05:04 PM)
You'll have about five people at the meeting, Saph. It should be one of the easier to arrange.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:05:14 PM)
We did Fenrir last night.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:05:17 PM)
they been tossed around so much I don't think anyone is really sure who's doing what asside from Gabby Girl who is absolutely adamant on her three
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:05:19 PM)
My kin are pretty talktive.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:05:38 PM)
I know. Have them anyway, guys, even if you feel they're crap
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:05:55 PM)
Bunnie May i have permision to run black eagle scenes for fenris kinfolk?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:06:16 PM)
Player empowerment, plus if anyone asks you can go 'well, I'm doing X with the Uktena right now...'
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:06:36 PM)
Do I even have a tribe?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:06:45 PM)
That may need reassignment
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:06:46 PM)
I've got 'digo and Gnawers.
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 10:06:54 PM)
I have furies and coggies
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:06:55 PM)
Who has the list?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:07:03 PM)
there's not a solid list
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:07:11 PM)
OK.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:07:14 PM)
Why don't we kindly make one now.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:07:15 PM)
I have no idea what that is. So sure?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:07:23 PM)
last one was before GG wasn't on staff
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:07:25 PM)
SB you're Kin for the venue.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:07:34 PM)
I got Fianna/Fenris/Fang (Zheads 3rd grade report card F/ F/ f)
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:07:35 PM)
and Ambient still had Fenrirs
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:07:54 PM)
Yours is fucking easy. :D
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:08:08 PM)
Active WTA Team: Ghostlin, Zhased, Crypt, Catnik, GabbyGirl, ScaryBunnie, Saphirra, Windseeker.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:08:15 PM)
*zhaed
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:08:30 PM)
Z, you're going to Fera. Do you want to do tribes?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:08:49 PM)
Because my last assignment was Lords, Talons, Gazers
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:08:49 PM)
In my opinion, it'd be more trouble than it's worth for Z.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:09:11 PM)
not really.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:09:12 PM)
Marks black eagle accepted by bunnie
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:09:47 PM)
Now, I'm not planning on holding a meeting with the Talons and the Gazers, because I can talk to Z anytime and 'm not holding a meeting with just Yama unless I absolutely HAVE TO.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:10:10 PM)
Theres no pt in a tribe of ONE
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:10:27 PM)
My Talon is temporary retired anyhow
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:10:42 PM)
OK: Z, who did you have?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:10:50 PM)
Uktena
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:10:54 PM)
and I'll be honest.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:10:55 PM)
anyone else?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:10:58 PM)
nope
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:11:03 PM)
GG took my other
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:11:05 PM)
I'll take Uktena
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:11:08 PM)
ok
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:11:12 PM)
Who has more than two tribes?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:11:17 PM)
GG
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:11:24 PM)
Makes list
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:11:55 PM)
WS, you can't take Uktena, and Gabs for obvious reasons I'm not reassigning Fenrir.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:12:01 PM)
That leaves SF/Fianna.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:12:30 PM)
I'll take Fianna, but SFs are too damaged for me to want to take them on.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:12:45 PM)
Mush them together, make a new tribe called Silver Fiagangs
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:12:47 PM)
OK. Does anyone else have a tribe they don't want?
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:12:58 PM)
i can take sfs
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:13:16 PM)
Crypt you can't
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:13:20 PM)
you have a Fang PC
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:13:35 PM)
You have a Fang PC. I'm avoiding folks with PCs in a venue from doing their tribe.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:13:37 PM)
Obvious reaons.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:13:56 PM)
That and I don't have the Fang book, nor am I all that up on the houses.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:13:59 PM)
ok then what can i have?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:14:07 PM)
Who did you have before?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:14:09 PM)
I'll take Fianna for sure.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:14:19 PM)
Ok wind has fianna
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:14:27 PM)
So im down to Fenris/Fang
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:14:34 PM)
Who has what? Name out your tribes.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:14:39 PM)
i will take fenris?
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:14:43 PM)
Wendigo, Bone Gnawers.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:14:44 PM)
Kinfolk :)
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:14:46 PM)
Now I am down to Fenris/Fang
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:15:17 PM)
Fianna
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:15:27 PM)
Uktena, Shadow Lords ((Red Talons/Gazers, but those might as well be dead issues ATM))
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:15:46 PM)
Windseeker there is a post in the Fianna boards I had tried to schedual a meeting with the Fianna players perhaps you can post to it and tell them you are there tribal st and take that meeting over at this point. It is in the fianna tribal forums
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:16:01 PM)
Will do.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:16:10 PM)
Im going through the list.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:16:16 PM)
Cat I think said she had BF//CoG?
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 10:16:27 PM)
Yup!
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:16:50 PM)
anyone have Glass Walkers?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:16:53 PM)
nope
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:03 PM)
Crypt, GW/SS?
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:10 PM)
id like to have GW and Get....
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:13 PM)
unless Wind wants a second one
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:19 PM)
Gabby has Fenrir.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:22 PM)
...I'm not reassigning Get at this point.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:26 PM)
i cant do SS cause GF plays one
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:35 PM)
he's got a point.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:37 PM)
I can go into it in more detail, but I ain't doing it.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:47 PM)
How many SS do we have?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:51 PM)
3-5
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:54 PM)
it's a small tribe.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:17:57 PM)
3 sanctioned
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:00 PM)
2 are in SoG
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:09 PM)
S...o G?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:14 PM)
Shades of Grey.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:15 PM)
Shades of Grey
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:18 PM)
shades of gray
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:25 PM)
Seekers of Gravy?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:25 PM)
I can't do it then...major CoI
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:32 PM)
mmmm gravy
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:33 PM)
Hrm.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:18:52 PM)
Crypt, do you like Uktena at all?
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:19:32 PM)
Would it help if I went through the list of tribes and had people say who has it/wants it? Or are you all keeping up with everything pretty good?
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:19:35 PM)
mmmmuktena
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:19:41 PM)
So. We'll do this.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:19:50 PM)
Crypt will have GW/Ukie
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:19:57 PM)
i will get down right and evil with uktena
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:19:58 PM)
I will have Shadow Lords/SS
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:20:01 PM)
weeee!
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:20:24 PM)
ok i have a question....
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:20:27 PM)
And WS will have Fianna...and Fianna.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:20:37 PM)
shoot
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:20:45 PM)
I got limited time...one tribes enough trust me.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:21:02 PM)
plus, you have a fairly active tribe, all told
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:21:09 PM)
brb bio
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:21:15 PM)
go ahead and ask, Crypt
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:21:21 PM)
does anyone here affiliated with the Order of the Arrow or an eaglescout?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:21:39 PM)
Ok got the new list. Posting it on skype
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:21:51 PM)
I never made it to eagle scout, I was two steps below that, whatever it's called
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:22:05 PM)
Star scout??
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:22:30 PM)
Sounds right.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:22:40 PM)
*grins* I'm both, Cryptie.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:22:47 PM)
It has been many, many moons since I worried about my merit badges
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:22:47 PM)
Dammit!!
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:23:03 PM)
Why?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:23:13 PM)
Granted Ghost has 4 tribes..
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:23:23 PM)
um, two of those have all of one member
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:23:27 PM)
but 3 of them are tiny or nearly nonexistant.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:23:36 PM)
I plan on running baby eating scenes for the Talons
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:23:38 PM)
Allowat Sakima
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:23:46 PM)
i cant spell the name
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:23:51 PM)
fuck!
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:23:56 PM)
That's... pretty close.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:24:01 PM)
now you want to have the talons eat babies
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:24:01 PM)
Next topic?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:24:03 PM)
And stargazer scenes for the Stargazer
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:24:06 PM)
Wa'una La'mon'tay.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:24:10 PM)
after I retire mine.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:24:14 PM)
hehe
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:24:41 PM)
It was part of the evil plan
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:25:20 PM)
Next topic then
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:26:10 PM)
Anyhow, this is my favorite part of the meeting. The part I don't direct, quite so much.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:26:28 PM)
OK I can go?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:26:34 PM)
Now's the time for questions, issues (I know Gabby and Z have LISTS) and emotional outbursts.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:26:37 PM)
Go WS.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:27:54 PM)
As we discussed briefly before on Skype...I would be willing to do limited sheet work. Mostly I'd be willing to do this in those nasty CoI areas, or if they really really get behind for some reason and are going insane. So if those permissions could be adjusted it would benefit all I think.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:28:35 PM)
I will discuss that with the admins. Namely Siggy or Auggy, I think they handle permissions unless Hades has more access than I thought.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:28:40 PM)
I'm finishing off the rest of the XP and renown request when we're done here. :)
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:28:49 PM)
As for sanctioning.....it's up to you if you want to give me full sancitoning rites or not. I don't mind doing it. Otherwise I can stick to presanctioning.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:29:21 PM)
More sanctioning is good, although we're evening out at the moment
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:29:35 PM)
yeah they aren't comming in like crazy
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 10:29:48 PM)
I <3 sanctioning
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:29:50 PM)
Next question....I have issues with random player A. What is the procedure I should follow?
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:29:51 PM)
whats the Raatio atm?
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:30:06 PM)
I think I can do it. I have the acess, but I just haven't had the practice in doing it yet
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:30:10 PM)
damnit i cant type
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:30:59 PM)
On a ruiling they don't like, or just being a tard?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:31:43 PM)
(There's a reason why I seperate it out that way)
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:32:09 PM)
usually both
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:32:52 PM)
Both.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:32:58 PM)
Usually rather inter-related.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:33:02 PM)
Broth. *offers soup*
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:33:52 PM)
On a ruiling you made they don't like, you are to explain it to them and try to see if you can come to an accord. Then take it to an full ST if you're not comfortable. Then to me. If it's general, like I don't like this house rule, have them go to the full ST to see if they explain. If the full ST can't, then me and I will make a final ruiling.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:34:09 PM)
Or explain the rule.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:34:24 PM)
OK.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:34:47 PM)
I think that completes my issues for now.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:34:51 PM)
They can appeal to admins but I've respectfully asked the admins on rules issues to uphold anything where I'm not being a tard.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:35:04 PM)
Who's next up? I know lynette has a LONG list of things
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:35:11 PM)
I have a few small things
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:35:26 PM)
On behavior, you give them a warning AND then take it to a full ST, who will punish. If they APPEAL, it comes to me, and the the admins if they appeal there.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:35:55 PM)
*misses the boot button*
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:35:57 PM)
lol
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:36:05 PM)
All punishments/ offical chat warnings MUST be documented on the WARNINGS thread.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:36:25 PM)
That's for you, full STs. Narrators/ASTs do not punish.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:36:40 PM)
As a Narrator I can give a warning?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:36:53 PM)
You can give an unoffical warning, like 'cut that out'.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:37:12 PM)
OK noted I got no teeth, dumb shit happens notify full Blues.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:37:17 PM)
" im gonna give you 30 minutes to cut that shit out "
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:37:21 PM)
Drop notes to us on Skype. Im almost always on since I have no real life
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:37:45 PM)
'I don't appreciate that tone. If you continue, there will be consequences.'
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:37:55 PM)
And then get SOMEONE if they continue
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:37:55 PM)
I tend to give alot of informal warnings anyway before I decide something is so severe I need to report it.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:38:03 PM)
Likewise. Or screenshot it and someone can pull the person in afterwards
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:38:19 PM)
Hades and I usually have limited patience. People stop after we tend to say so.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 10:38:35 PM)
i must admit you guys have a little more tact then me O.O
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 10:38:36 PM)
It's because we're old and cranky
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:38:59 PM)
And have a banhammer.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:39:00 PM)
So if you pull an Admin or another ST form another venue or even me, that's fine. The idea is someone above you that has icon pulling rights.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:39:18 PM)
(If it comes to that.)
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:39:28 PM)
I fully understand now. Thank you.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:39:47 PM)
No problem. I'm glad I could clarify.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:40:36 PM)
Fact is, if they continue to give lip to Siggy and Auggy they'll be lucky if icon pull is all they get.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:41:27 PM)
Tell me when its my turn
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:41:36 PM)
OK, next issue.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:42:21 PM)
Oh! Me next.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:42:29 PM)
ok bunnie
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:42:36 PM)
OK, Terrifying cottontail.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:42:57 PM)
*hides her rabbit on a split looking guilty*
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:42:59 PM)
Got one kinfolk with Numina left. I don't mind doing his XP and maybe doing some numina scenes instead of involving mage. Is this ok ?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:43:18 PM)
If you are comfortable, then yes, go ahead.
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 10:43:25 PM)
given that the mage sts are dicks about linears, anyway... yeah
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:43:30 PM)
Lurid Lapine.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:43:53 PM)
Number I did BB's last time. Can I just continue to do that because you guys do renown?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:43:53 PM)
Let him know I don't know sorcerers so he MUST deal directly with you about anything dealing with Numina.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:44:05 PM)
If you like doing them.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:44:18 PM)
Thats cool I can handle that I have played a linear
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 10:44:28 PM)
I know sorc, too, if need be
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:44:34 PM)
I played one, about four years ago.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:44:40 PM)
TT
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:45:16 PM)
Fact is, I shouldn't have to have to learn mage rules to HST Werewolf.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:45:38 PM)
But I'm glad you're there to support Dmitri. I have felt bad about that.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:46:12 PM)
To bad the last numinastic kinfolk aren't around to torture you SB
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:46:13 PM)
As long as he does go fucking with mages to much I don't see why we can't handle him exculsivly
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:46:45 PM)
Frankly, the player's been cool about the whole thing.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:46:51 PM)
Make sure to have him move his thread to the WtA thread though
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:47:04 PM)
I'll see if the admins can move it.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:47:04 PM)
His background is on the MtA boards
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:47:10 PM)
*nods*
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:47:58 PM)
Right now, there are no venues that support Supernatural Kin, which is disheartening, but it renders it a dead issue.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:48:31 PM)
I think he is really the only one left. So yeah its not a big deal.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:49:16 PM)
OK, compared to last night, this is going well. Next issue.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:49:35 PM)
BB's can i continue to do them as you guys do renown?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:49:40 PM)
If you'd like.
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:49:45 PM)
Works for me.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:49:48 PM)
OK.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:49:51 PM)
and I can as well?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:49:56 PM)
Sure.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:49:58 PM)
Dare we let Lynette go?
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:01 PM)
And what is the xp ratio we do for blue books?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:02 PM)
I may do them once in a while.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:07 PM)
*ducks behind some barricades*
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:11 PM)
might as well.. my issues are minor
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:15 PM)
they made a bluebook= .5 XP
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:16 PM)
.5 -1 per day no more than 20 per month
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:17 PM)
Like clarification
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:27 PM)
.5 xp thank u
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:40 PM)
roughly not a novel, but more than a paragraph= .8
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:50:48 PM)
OMG NOVEL= 1
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:51:10 PM)
No more than 20 XP a month
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:51:25 PM)
No more than one BB a day
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:52:13 PM)
In English, I'd rather not have someone get horridly profilic at the end of the month to try to tweak w/BB system
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:52:53 PM)
If you feel they did good work at the end of the month, then it's up to you, but that's the guidelines. The only hard one is if it qualifies for a BB it's at least worth .5
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:53:02 PM)
And no one gets more than 20 XP a month
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:53:19 PM)
(Or 1 per entry)
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:53:58 PM)
Anyhow, no one has gotten more than like 8 XP from BB monthly, ever. It's not like Aldrich is in this venue and is bluebooking everyday.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:54:26 PM)
Well
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:54:34 PM)
Elise does a lot
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:54:47 PM)
holy crap... she has lik 100+ BB entries
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:54:53 PM)
my turn?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:54:59 PM)
She gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-10 XP
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:55:02 PM)
guess so.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:55:10 PM)
*dodges the yankee rage*
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:55:12 PM)
I like writing them, but I don't, because I didn't want to 'game the system.'
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:55:13 PM)
unless someone has a quick issue
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:55:20 PM)
Minor things
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:55:23 PM)
like Sept location
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:55:37 PM)
and is the bawn private or public land
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:55:49 PM)
cuz I heard it both ways
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:55:51 PM)
Private, technically, within the park.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:56:14 PM)
So park tourists might be on the bawn?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:56:22 PM)
Not with the wards around the place.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 10:56:26 PM)
Brb. Watching, but helping family.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:56:57 PM)
Anyone here ever read Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:57:08 PM)
ok I'll let Gabby go... but you know there's some things she might not cover that Id like to adress afterward.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:57:15 PM)
1.Blows your mind is Shadow lord tribal elder. Yet it states that
no one is a tribal elder unless a member of the sept of shared blood. Thus she is a
member of shared blood? or that rule in the forums is no longer of any concern to any players? The sept rules of membership are a shredding of the littany, how shall we deal with that?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:57:19 PM)
I have feelings she'll cover most of my issues.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:57:59 PM)
1. She's acutally a 'honored guest' of the sept, but due to Shadow Lord rules of dominance, she's the tribal elder.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:58:43 PM)
And none of the lords have joined the sept anyway, so this point is moot and dead, unless Stephen's successfully announced his tribal eldership of the Pink Dildos.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:58:57 PM)
Still thinking about it.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 10:59:01 PM)
This is not a moot point to lord players
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:59:14 PM)
The problem is it does effect lord players.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 10:59:53 PM)
Even if Therese isn't a lord elder, in the terms of the challenge, she's challengable by lords even not part of the sept?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 10:59:53 PM)
Bluntly, she's got a status somewhere between full member and guest. The other elders don't want to deal with the Lords on a tribal basis.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:00:14 PM)
We basically have a whole scope of very active kinfolk that do not enter the sept room because they don't have Lord escorts and by the rules....if they come unescorted they could be "claimed" by the sept.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:00:26 PM)
The sept rules need to change on the mateing issues and kinfolk issues. Because they can not claim all kinfolk that live in a city as "there property" and even if our tribal elder is a honored guest it means she is not afforded the privlage of saying whom can or can not mate within her own tribe.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:00:29 PM)
yes
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:00:36 PM)
Thats damaging the interactive flow of the game badly to be Blunt.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:00:48 PM)
Agreed.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:00:53 PM)
OK. Well, the cleanest way ot handle that is to make Therese a member.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:00:55 PM)
Done.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:00:59 PM)
thats the main reason most lords don't go to the sept.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:01:00 PM)
Yes windseeker that is another point it keeps the lords from allowing there kin in the sept
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:01:30 PM)
in effect the sept laws are contradictary to the litany
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:01:51 PM)
Well....if the Lord elder becomes a sept member...that certainly changes the ball-game.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:01:53 PM)
1) We've never acutally enforced the 'claimed' rule, the rules original intention was to say that Kin enjoy the protection of the protectorate.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:02:18 PM)
the problem is it's been an issue in the sept before... Remember Bastian and Scratchy?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:02:29 PM)
Yes, fucking three year olds.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:02:34 PM)
I mean...
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:02:58 PM)
Yes but it is still a major disrespect of territory to claim all kin of other tribes belong to your sept and what they can or can not do within there own tribe. Thus that rule needs to be changed or simply removed.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:03:08 PM)
How about this.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:03:16 PM)
Where is that rule posted...could we keep the intended spirit of it yet alter the problem aspect with it with mild word tweaking?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:03:32 PM)
Kinfolk without a guardian are the nominal guardian of their tribal elder.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:03:39 PM)
That works.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:03:41 PM)
There we go
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:03:51 PM)
perfect
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:03:53 PM)
Makes the tribal "elder" responsible for the conduct of the kin of there tribe.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:03:56 PM)
I like.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:03:56 PM)
And with that changed i know some lords who will be joining the sept
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:04:12 PM)
http://www.sinful-illusions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=119
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:04:22 PM)
there's the general rulings
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:04:41 PM)
though there's a still a lot of issues I have with them.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:04:57 PM)
Therese will be declared for all intents and purposes, the Lord elder and a honorary member of Shared Blood, with all the rights of a full member.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:05:04 PM)
It makes sense now she's Adren
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:05:22 PM)
That works. That fixes alot of issues.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:05:34 PM)
that and she holds a certain degree of weight over Shared Bloods head
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:05:41 PM)
Not to mention the inter-tribal politics can get interesting.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:05:46 PM)
They can't ignore Hello Kitty Elder anymore.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:05:56 PM)
Healthy for the game.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:06:12 PM)
We'll fix that. Make a note of that.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:06:25 PM)
Let's tackle the general rules. Next.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 11:06:33 PM)
guys im gonna bail i havew work in the morning and im falling asleep..
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:06:37 PM)
ok we'll talk about this at some other time then. More of a shadowlord issue.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:06:40 PM)
Goodnight, Crypt.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:06:50 PM)
What is up with the second sept? R we or R we not adding it?
If we make the second sept will shared blood remain npc ran and the other sept pc ran?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:07:09 PM)
Players have to add the sept.
Crypt (Jan 10, 2011 11:07:16 PM)
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Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:07:33 PM)
That's ALWAYS been my position from Day 1. That kind of thing must be something the players have to care about doing.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:07:58 PM)
What about this "pcs taking all sept positions at shared blood expect grand elder"
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:08:19 PM)
OK. I'm going to get on a soapbox about this.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:08:46 PM)
Because that's not really a question, but something based on my personal belief.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:08:56 PM)
My thoughts? I don't like the idea of a second sept, ...keep certain NPCs as inviolate for game continuity AND ST over-ride tools if players get stupid with authority. My suggestion, leave things like GE, Warder, and Master of Challenge in ST hands, slowly open up the rest.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:09:04 PM)
Not something I want to see personaly. I have heard I am not the only person whom does not want to see this either. Minor posiitons like Truth Catcher caller of the wyld Wyrm foe all good things I feel but some things should remain in the hands of the npcs?
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 11:09:06 PM)
I hate the idea of a second sept
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:09:13 PM)
*Blows a whistle*
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:09:31 PM)
I'm going to get on a soapbox now.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:11:22 PM)
The reason why I've said I like sept postions minus GE open is the fact that some players like the accomplishment of being Master of the Challenge, Truthcatcher (some people ARE this insane), Talesinger, Rites Master (Mistress). Some people like being tribal elder. They don't play the game wrong, and they should be able to play the game that way.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:12:23 PM)
Also, in my view, the meta must be organic for the players. If the Shadow Lords want to build a second sept, they should be able to be allowed to try. This will cause tensions and have ripples for a million different stories.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:13:22 PM)
Now, there is too much of a good thing. Frankly, letting a player dictate the entirety of sept law (in other words, play GE) is problematic, and if anyone were to get GE, they'd become an NPC.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:14:40 PM)
Ghostlin..... in theory I see where you want to go, but by experience you should leave in some over-ride NPC safeguards. I'm glad you understand about the GE thing, but the other position I'd suggest keeping NPC is Master of Challenge. Players so minded to play the halfmoons can take up Truthcatcher, make judgements have all that joy, BUT if they do something stupid, with an NPC MotC STs can still over-ride. In a natural IC style way.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:14:45 PM)
Please trust me on this.
Catnik (Jan 10, 2011 11:15:17 PM)
MotC, Den Mother, and gatekeeper, I'd say
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:15:19 PM)
I've acutally not seen MoTC be the issue in most chat games I've been in.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:15:22 PM)
*is back* Hmm.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:15:34 PM)
No sane player wants Den Mother/Gatekeeper.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:15:46 PM)
Ive played the den mother in the past
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:15:46 PM)
Gatekeeper is fun, though.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:15:49 PM)
I had fun with it
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:15:56 PM)
GE/MotC are bare minimum for ease of ST control.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:15:58 PM)
Gatekeeper allows you the inter-sept politics.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:16:04 PM)
The rest is debatable.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:16:27 PM)
Rest could be opened as players have interest and I wouldn't worry.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:16:35 PM)
Also, kids; if someone really screws the pooch, someone else may hear about it if the players are lazy and we'll knock a few teeth out with an NPC.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:16:39 PM)
there's always a bigger dog in the neighborhood... if a PC fails his duties as a MotC then he will be replaced by an NPC
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:17:05 PM)
Frankly, if someone's being a douche, they'll get challenged repeatedly until someone sane takes over.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:17:22 PM)
Fangs and Lords are notorius for replacing fail elders.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:17:24 PM)
Introduction of NPCs is heavy handed. Why introduce them when you can simply maintain a few core NPCs for natural over-ride?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:17:45 PM)
It's like tribal Elders. Tribal totems can show their displeasure (and do).
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:17:49 PM)
No Hans example is, if someones being a douche'...players just delete characters.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:17:55 PM)
Oh cause with hans people just deleted there pcs and chose a different tribe
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:18:18 PM)
the problem with Hans is we (the team) let him wag his dick around to long.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:18:25 PM)
Which is what I'm going to propose with the Hans issue. Falcon will find an NPC to replace him.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:18:26 PM)
There is that.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:18:29 PM)
5 in the span of 2 days all quit and removed there fangs due to him
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:18:38 PM)
Fact is
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:18:40 PM)
In Hans case yes. Thats someone of an emergency situation.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:18:52 PM)
We still have 3-5 PCs that can and would do anything up to and including outright murder to keep the Sept alive. Hilma, LFS, TNS, StF, and Rui.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:18:57 PM)
Someone=somewhat.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:18:57 PM)
We need to be more immediate in an emergency situation.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:19:11 PM)
*nods*
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:19:12 PM)
Rui?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:19:21 PM)
Rui is the final solution.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:19:27 PM)
shit... he wouldn't give a fuck... he'd have everyone else replaced
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:19:29 PM)
So I am clear to bring in a npc for the fangs then ghostlin?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:19:36 PM)
Yes.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:19:48 PM)
ok then ill make sure you are at the fang meeting
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:19:51 PM)
Hans will complain, but frankly he can sit and spin.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:19:51 PM)
Skulking ShL Athro/JoD. And yes, he's more of a "oh, crap. Just kill everyone" solution.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:20:00 PM)
rui is our unofficial reboot button.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:20:18 PM)
I have to be up and down, but I'll be back
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:20:31 PM)
NPC intruduction sometimes MUST be done. Just saying sept position wise, leave a few core as inviolate from the get go so we do less emergency NPC introduction. Better to work with a few already in place.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:20:35 PM)
He's -still- a Gaian Garou, and wouldn't bomb the sept or make it into a Pit.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 11:20:38 PM)
Can I sign my character up for that spot too? >.> <.<
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:20:58 PM)
Just in case.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:21:13 PM)
when I mean Rui is the reboot... he'd clean out the sept of the garou... but the sept would be around still
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:21:18 PM)
In a wonderful world any PC that took a sept position would be great at it and we'd never need to interviene.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:21:35 PM)
And for all Thunderbird's lofty wisdom and floating around in the clouds, He/She can STILL drop BIG FREAKING LIGHNTING BOLTS ON PEOPLE.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:21:49 PM)
Humm Saph you have a point.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:22:14 PM)
Did Ghostlin go afk?
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:22:20 PM)
Rule next
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:22:33 PM)
Send a mute little Spark Sparrow as a hint of "hey, do this." That doesn't work, send an Electric Eagle to tell them "Hey, PAY ATTENTION to this." That doesn't work, *ZAP*
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 11:22:33 PM)
He's bouncing back and forth from his screen at the moment
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:22:40 PM)
12. When someone in homid takes "lethal damage" it is a serious wound if they do not shift to another
form to soak it up. Garou can NOT soak lethal in breed form. As the bullet was silver Wilhelm would
have taken un soak-able silver damage. Garou can bleed out in homid because they are incapable of soaking
lethal damage, and silver can kill if it is not removed when they are not in breed form. I will give this
to you how ever. I will be asking for a ruling on why these cannon mechanics of the game are being glossed over.
It would be like a vampire being exposed to sunlight and nothing ever happening to them even though they do not
posse fortitude to protect themselves. (eq) Garou soaking Silver when they do not have lunas armor activated!
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:23:15 PM)
Silver is soakable lethal in breed form.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:23:27 PM)
If you are hit with it in a bashing sence
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:23:30 PM)
or holding it
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:23:36 PM)
but not if you are cut or shot with it
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:23:39 PM)
Unsoakable agg in any form but breed.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:23:49 PM)
because it is lethal damage and you can not soak lethal damage in breed form
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:24:08 PM)
Homid garou can't soak lethal silver or not.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:24:10 PM)
Sap listen a Gun and blade does lethal damage reguardless
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 11:24:13 PM)
If they are in breed form, as long as they aren't metis, silver damage is no more dangerous to the Garou than another form of bullet or swords
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:24:25 PM)
"Garou can, regardless of form, soak all three types."
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:24:35 PM)
Right hades and they can nnot soak lethal in breed form
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:24:51 PM)
Bullocks
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:24:59 PM)
Gabby, I believe that's incorrect. Because then you have them soaking agg, but not lethal.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:25:15 PM)
They can not soak agg or lethal in breed form unless they are metis
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:27:26 PM)
*Blows a whistle*
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:27:45 PM)
*takes the whistle, tosses it to the Mardi Gras spirits*
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:28:04 PM)
You can not soak anything above bashing in breed form unless you're blessed to be a metis
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:28:35 PM)
However, the way chats have traditionally done the silver damage
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:28:52 PM)
Is while in breed form, you roll Stamina.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:29:45 PM)
If you succeed, the silver becomes a normal source of damage of that type. IE, a silver knife would be normal L, not A. A silver club would be normal B, not A.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:29:45 PM)
That a house rule system we using Ghostlin?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:29:51 PM)
I think so.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:29:59 PM)
OK
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:30:00 PM)
It's the one thing I've heard that makes sense.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:30:08 PM)
So you can soak a silver club
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:30:14 PM)
And regen a silver knife.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:30:25 PM)
(when out of your breed form)
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:30:47 PM)
page 206 garou can soak bashing in any form at diff six and can soak lethal and agg at the same difficulty in any form beside there breed form.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:30:58 PM)
right
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:31:02 PM)
this isn't a change to that rule
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:31:10 PM)
I'm -only- talking silver damage.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 11:31:34 PM)
Actually, found the portion of the book that applies to soaking silver in your breed form. Small text-bomb incoming
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:31:55 PM)
OWMYEYES.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 11:32:01 PM)
Damage from silver weapons is handled a bit differently. Garou may soak silver damage only in their breed form (save metis, who cannot soak it at all), at difficulty 6. Garou may not soak silver damage in any other form without using a Gift or fetish. Such is the price they pay for the gifts of Luna. Damage from silver is considered aggravated in all forms except a homid or lupus' breed form.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:32:02 PM)
I mean, woops.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:32:17 PM)
Right, but that's something of a clusterfuck.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:32:38 PM)
Homid Garou can soak a silver knife but not a normal knife?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:32:48 PM)
(while in homid)
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 11:33:00 PM)
No one ever said that White Wolf were bastions of consistantancy
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:33:07 PM)
It's one of those rules that directly contradict each other
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:33:29 PM)
Hey Ghostlin if you like that house rules fix thats fine, just make sure it's posted somewhere for our sanity.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:33:31 PM)
So it comes down to us to interpret what those rules acutally mean
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:33:31 PM)
That is what i am taalking about if silver is a hammer which does bashing then yes they could soak it, if its a knife that does lethal then no they could not while in breed..
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:33:45 PM)
Windseeker: agreed
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:34:05 PM)
Right. What I'm going ot rule is essentally what Gabby said, but the Garou rolls Sta in homid form.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:34:10 PM)
If they fail, it's Agg
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:34:17 PM)
Ow.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:34:19 PM)
If they succeed, it's L.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:34:28 PM)
In the case of a silver knife.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:34:37 PM)
If it's a silver club
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:34:42 PM)
If they fail, it's A
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:34:56 PM)
If they succeed, it's B, and soaked up to their # of suxx.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:35:10 PM)
Fact is
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:35:15 PM)
even on 2-3 dice
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:35:21 PM)
Easier way. Just start killing people with fire.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:35:25 PM)
diff 6 isn't hard to hit, even consistently.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:35:50 PM)
because if you didn't soak the silver in breed, it'd be A anyhow
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:35:58 PM)
*nods*
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:36:06 PM)
hey SB... can I borrow a cat to keep my feet warm?
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:36:16 PM)
Do we need to rewrite the creation rules so that "no cubs" is not in the same area as "chrs must be over 18"
As well as "all characters will know the littany" changed to "All characters played here are required to know the littany
at creation?" so players can not whine and say "well it did not say it was a requirment"
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:36:19 PM)
Am I making sense? Does anyone think I'm off my rocker?
Fearsome Rabbit (Jan 10, 2011 11:36:21 PM)
Sure you can have Kiala
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:36:54 PM)
You make perfect sence we just need it added to the forums so when we quote the chat rules we can show them
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:37:37 PM)
Insert in the "no cub characters area, a short explaination for the stupid..something like...
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:38:13 PM)
No cub characters: All garou PCs MUST be claith. This means you have been through a Rite of Passage and know the litany and basic duties assocated with the Nation.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:38:32 PM)
also.... No twisted upbringing.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:38:34 PM)
Short, sweet, to the point.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:38:45 PM)
Didn't we already have that under banned flaws?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:38:54 PM)
restricted actually
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:39:03 PM)
Age: All cliath Garou are the human equalivent of 18 or older. NO EXCEPTIONS. You may not play a Cub Garou.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:39:05 PM)
Ban the sucker says I.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:39:24 PM)
I thought that was clear enough?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:39:30 PM)
Ghostlin I'd seriously define Claith like a did a few posts ago for the stupid.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:39:32 PM)
It can be good RP, which is why it's restricted. But I'd want to see exactly what it says on our restricted note.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:39:49 PM)
apparently not Ghostlin.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:40:12 PM)
Sig
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:40:30 PM)
*Sigh* I personally think the player chose not to understand.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:40:44 PM)
apparently characters will tell sanctioning STs one thing, write something different in the character history, and RP something else
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:40:53 PM)
I suspect so as well.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:40:57 PM)
Then you lied.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:05 PM)
yep
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:05 PM)
Actually Loco Lobo is the only one who has done this really.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:09 PM)
yep
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:11 PM)
so far
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:11 PM)
That's grounds for an immediate icon pull, Z.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:16 PM)
I tried
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:17 PM)
I personally think a desanc for lying.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:20 PM)
but Im CoI
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:28 PM)
and you were on break
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:38 PM)
*Adds a mental note to have a chat with Loco*
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:40 PM)
I worked the past 4 nights, too. *twitch*
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:41:59 PM)
We'll add a part for the stupid.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:42:24 PM)
I don't doubt for a second the player knew what she was doing.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:42:38 PM)
Anyone else here but me hate the rules lawyers?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:42:41 PM)
I believe she was playing dumb to be allowed the character.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:42:48 PM)
yes well under the restricted it said it must be fpmed to the entire team
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:42:52 PM)
I sent some screenies of my own to ...which Admin was it?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:42:57 PM)
Gory
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:42:57 PM)
for approval it was not
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:43:09 PM)
Right
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:43:26 PM)
which is why we're at 'the HST is going to make damn clear what the rules are'.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:43:30 PM)
fact is, she told me one thing and changed her story when she was told such things weren't allowed.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:43:46 PM)
she knew they wehre not allowed
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:43:50 PM)
yep
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:43:57 PM)
And then I'll desanction if they don't want to confirm.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:44:01 PM)
conform.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:44:05 PM)
because she tried to make a spiral dancer ronin cub prior
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:44:12 PM)
This isn't anyone's personal playground for the rules.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:44:28 PM)
If you get a loophole sanctioned, fine.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:44:30 PM)
i remember that sheet they said saph was allowing it and we all went "huh"?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:44:48 PM)
I'd personally wack Loco with an official warning for lying.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:44:56 PM)
I probably will.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:07 PM)
Fact is, I'd pull her icon until she talks to me
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:12 PM)
But I'm not off break
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:20 PM)
I'll do it
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:21 PM)
(so that's impossible in an offical capcity)
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:23 PM)
Hey......Hades?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:31 PM)
Admin could do it. *evil grin*(
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:34 PM)
Mmyus?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:34 PM)
And have a nice hear to heart.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:54 PM)
Can you do a favor, if you're reading?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:45:58 PM)
Hades could handcuff Loco Lobo.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:46:13 PM)
Have a question as well some thing else that will need to make its way under rules so players know
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 11:46:14 PM)
Who's needing their icon cast into the fiery pits of Tataruas?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:46:20 PM)
Handcuff Loco Lobo. Put in the ST notes to DNS until she talks to me.
Saphirra (Jan 10, 2011 11:46:26 PM)
I do remember that. "Hey, can I have a history of a BSD family that I escaped from?" 'Yes, but it had better be a DAMN good one, and how you shook them off or are still being chased needs to be detailed.' "Saphirra's going to let me play a BSD Ronin cub!" Team: WHAT?!
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:47:15 PM)
The riddle contest which was only blue booked and not role played out. Mind you stories
are worthy of renown if they are witnessed by a st with a roll and placed in the story moot section of the forums.
But renown for blue books in which no st had involvement in or any sort of pc on pc interaction was involved it a
grey area. It can lead to blue booking all sorts of things and claiming renown on said blue books.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:47:18 PM)
.......Long term I don't think this is a player we want around. They intentionally tell half truths, or twist things.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:47:37 PM)
WS; I agree.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:47:38 PM)
We do allow the renown for stories in the moot section of the forums after the roll is witnessed by a st
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:47:41 PM)
yeah... the problem she had was simply not telling us that that BSD family was HER family.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:47:46 PM)
But the player does have the right to defend herself.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:47:57 PM)
I cuffed her Ghostlin
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:48:09 PM)
*hugs Zheads leg* My hero.
Hades (Jan 10, 2011 11:48:24 PM)
I was about to hit the submit button
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:48:27 PM)
Even if it's bullshit. You know it's bullshit, I know it's bullshit...
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:48:42 PM)
Thats OK Ghostlin. Theres a precedure....follow it.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:50:14 PM)
Now, with anticipate for that meeting.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:50:26 PM)
Im fine with the story section as we do not hold ic moots
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:50:35 PM)
I want to hold one
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:50:43 PM)
But they're an pain in the ass to schedule.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:50:48 PM)
Ghost, you'll want to talk to Gory about that.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:51:01 PM)
...OK
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:51:18 PM)
he sat in on that conversation.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:51:23 PM)
with Lobo.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:51:25 PM)
That and stories should be shared if the players bother to write them. They shouldn't get renown for a story locked in some bluebook that other players (and by inference the sept) never got to see.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:51:34 PM)
as for the bluebooking renown.... I don't like that.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:51:38 PM)
how ever there must be some sort of line.. getting renown in blue book areas for riddle contests and such that there is no pc or st involvement can lead down the slippery slope of ahourns blue booking battles and why not? if we let theurges blue book riddle contests?
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:51:51 PM)
...You can't. End of story, really, unless there's a damn good reason.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:52:06 PM)
Is that in the forums?
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:52:08 PM)
Gory also has my screenies of Lobo getting wierd on me ....I was about to give a warning for borderline metagaming....and....they bring some convoluted crossover Demon justification into it.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:52:19 PM)
Perhaps it needs to be placed in the renown request section?
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:52:33 PM)
perhaps a scene request.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:52:45 PM)
1) What is a bluebook?
A blue book is a small scene that happens off chat during the character's downtime; whether it be something the character does in their off-time, interacts with, makes a journal entry, etc. Gift scenes often go in bluebooks for the first two ranks of Gifts. It is something to develop your character, add a bit of headspace, whatever.
A bluebook unfortunately cannot involve anything that involves the character gaining renown or anything better gained inside the chat.
You do receive a small amount of XP for your bluebooks.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:53:03 PM)
*nods* good
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:53:03 PM)
It's in the FIRST Question of the Q/A.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:53:06 PM)
Thats a good explaination.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:53:09 PM)
Took me about five seconds to find.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:53:17 PM)
Forums need to be cleaned up a bit.
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:53:30 PM)
Alot is getting hard to find, which is part of player problems as well.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:53:33 PM)
http://www.sinful-illusions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=109
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:53:47 PM)
That's not easy, most of this IS the condensed version.
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:54:08 PM)
I'll see what I can do when I get back
Windseeker (Jan 10, 2011 11:54:43 PM)
Is Lynette done? *keeps over barricade*
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:54:56 PM)
probably not
Ghostlin OOC (Jan 10, 2011 11:55:05 PM)
Next.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:56:21 PM)
I only have one thing left
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:56:45 PM)
It falls under the "rant" part of the meeting.
Zhaed (Jan 10, 2011 11:57:21 PM)
*hides from the upcomming yankee rage*
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:58:22 PM)
Sap ran a three hour scene of players
just walking around. Brings in some spirit then when he gets the group of 12 to the combat zone he says "i'm tired
I don't want to run combat tonight." Fine if you do not want to run combat tonight, how about let them just make
some flavor posts you had a huge group avilable they should have been able to take some banes and a racoon out.
However they where told to return to the sept, to get back up. The scene was done over a month ago, and I am the one
getting complaints from players how there characters would not have left, if there characters had left they would
have returned right when they got the back up. I've had another player say "That was a waste of my time, I rather
have no scene then one like that." Another complaint was "None of the scenes my chr has been in has been combat related. I am on every day with my ahourn, I go on all missions I can, and yet I spend 3 hours walking to a battle and
then I am told the st does not want to run the combat." ect.
Gabby Girl (Jan 10, 2011 11:58:55 PM)
I get complaints from st's about the fera kitties
she's used as well as players, why did her 15 year old kitty girl have 8 ritual dice to cleansing its only 15 years old, my
theurge don't even have those type of dice.. Why is he running his fera cats i told him no fera npcs i am opening the
fera venue he was told to stop that. Why is he posting to soap box, we where told not to and told our blues would be
taking away yet he still has blues when after pokeing the forum trolls and trying to instigate the situation further.