Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:22:30 PM)
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Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:23:13 PM)
i took time to cool off and returned.... i didn't think what happened was so bad. originally i had thought the st was a friend
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:23:35 PM)
I was hoping to catch you. What additional concerns did you want to raise beyond the screenshots and FPMs I have?
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:25:05 PM)
he had led me to believe that it was ok to talk to him but that is not in the screen shots. what i wanted to say was this. there are two issues, the mentor bothering and the mortal storyline. warpoodle asked him politely if my char could be in it and was told 'that is not a good idea' immediately after at 5 am my time he got rid of me. wouldn't hear me out
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:26:09 PM)
now i had also been encouraged to go to the admin about this toh and didnt as i hoped things would change. i apologise for the message to him. if i had know i would not have done it. he used to pm all my skins looking for luc so he could manipulate me
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:26:17 PM)
I have the screenshots of your final conversation in OOC with Tohunga. I have read them in their intirety.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:26:33 PM)
entirety.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:26:39 PM)
it was 5 in the morning and i hadn't slept at all
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:27:14 PM)
And you remained on the chat for hours to hold onto the icon as long as possible. *nods*
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:27:29 PM)
then i didn't sleep that entire day, i couldn't. i know i can be over passionate of my chars. luc is the one i care about most. i never expected this to happen and i didn't cheat. yes, i was sad, i couldn't let go
Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 12:28:13 PM)
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Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:28:37 PM)
sad and confused and not understanding how it came to that. i just would like another possible chance in the future. not now or today just the future. i can show i can act as you want here and i didn't realise it was considered bad as again we had seemed to be friends
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:29:37 PM)
Tohunga is HST of Mage. It's his venue Sorrowflame. You still have the ability to make PCs in other venues here.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:29:54 PM)
my favourite thing is psychic
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:30:22 PM)
Understood.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:31:08 PM)
i do not feel that the punishment is proper for something like this. its very strict. its almost as if he wanted me out. he did become colder when i told him i had burnt out on his silly cel scenes with luc. she changed him into a girl, suggested in pm's he act darker and even possibly have sex
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:31:44 PM)
in some of my shots it says i should bb more for my consors and such and i was bluebooking like every day
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:31:46 PM)
That was in his PC skin? As Ceilidh?
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:31:50 PM)
yes
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:32:05 PM)
Then he was acting as a player then, Sorrowflame. Not as an HST.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:32:27 PM)
i am stating what he did during those scenes
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:32:31 PM)
I cannot hold his PC to RP standards.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:33:23 PM)
And truly, you don't want Admins policing the RP between players.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:34:34 PM)
it was harassing him pming me in al my skins
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:35:04 PM)
Did you ask him to stop?
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:35:48 PM)
i would tell him i am not in the mood and that i had burnt out on the scenes. they lasted nearly days irl worth of time. i was foolish to participate
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:38:19 PM)
And he's a player and you have every right to refuse to play. And clearly did so just fine.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:39:09 PM)
Tohunga's personal RP is odd. That's not a crime. Asking another player to come IC with him? Not a crime. I have no policy I can hold against him on those.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:39:47 PM)
there were no rules stating that mage pc's cannot be in mortal storylines. it had happened before in the past. warpoodle was nice enough to suggest i be in it. it was not me going to her around toh. i want to make that clear
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:40:02 PM)
How did Toh learn of it?
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:40:45 PM)
she talked to him then he called me into the room. it was basically moments after she told me she would talk to him about it. i was excited to be able to have luc do something
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:42:53 PM)
WarPoodle discussed it with Toh. *nods* They were in agreement.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:43:19 PM)
all she told me was he said it would be a bad idea to have luc in the storyline
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:43:43 PM)
The crux of the matter in your venue banning remains, hon. Nothing you've brought up changes that core issue. Nor does it change Tohunga's feeling on the matter.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:44:43 PM)
i would just like a chance to prove i can be in mage again with another psi. i was shocked luc got deleted really. are you saying that warpoodle agreed that i should go?
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:45:16 PM)
No, I'm saying WarPoodle and Toh agreed that it was a bad idea to inclued Lucien in the scene in question. Without proof of some action of Toh's going against site rules, my hands are tied. I have to back Tohunga's call.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:46:34 PM)
his actions are heavyhandedness in his dealings with me on that day. he could have handled it nicer. i don't see why it has to be permanent. it doesn't make sense. again i didn't cheat or anything.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:47:37 PM)
You broke Site Rules.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:47:42 PM)
i am just asking for the kindness of a chance to make it temporary. i already lost my most cared about character and all the work i put into him, isn't that enough? i am not sure what more i can say. how so?
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:48:22 PM)
1 pm to a st in its skin when i thought it was a friend
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:48:41 PM)
The possible repercussions of breaking site rules are posted in the forums. Tohunga is acting within those rules and those consequences. I cannot and will not overturn an HST in his own venue for following the Rules.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:48:46 PM)
is that the only issue as he had said it was because of the mortal storyline
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:49:36 PM)
You and Toh may have had other issues outside this one. This one is the one that gives him the ability to ban you.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:49:58 PM)
Lawfully. As it were.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:50:52 PM)
i wasn't aware ooc that it was such a big deal otherwise i wouldn't have done it ever. i take the rules seriously. that said i think that rule is a bit harsh considering this chat was made of refugees from iv and rod
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:51:59 PM)
brb quickly
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:54:24 PM)
back. would anything help me at this point? most sites have a warning system. just throwing the book at one for doing something they thought they had permission to do doesn't sit well with people
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:54:52 PM)
I have heard and understood your disagreement with the policy. It is posted up and yes, a venue banning does comprise a Site warning as well. 3 more and you're Site banned.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:55:47 PM)
though is there anything i can do in the future about this? would you ban me if i had someone post my screens at rpg soapbox?
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:56:37 PM)
*rae*
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:56:54 PM)
i have heard that is what happens to people here
Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 12:57:17 PM)
You were misinformed.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:57:18 PM)
RPG soapbox doesn't have a controlling interest in this chat. While I will not site ban you for posting screenshots, it will not reflect well, and you may earn another site warning.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:57:30 PM)
Depending on the manner it was done.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:58:01 PM)
though other than that if toh cools off could i please try again in the future for mage? this is not fair
Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 12:58:08 PM)
No one has ever been banned from this chat for posting to soapbox. Instead, people were banned for a number of consistent violations of our terms of service, which included USING soapbox to harrass our staff.
Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 12:58:18 PM)
You've been given your answer, Valo. the answer is no.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:58:37 PM)
what if he reconsiders or a new mage st comes around?
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:58:59 PM)
If Tohunga were to give up HST one day in the -distant- future, you could revisit the issue then.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:59:15 PM)
thank you, that is what i hoped to hear :)
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 12:59:45 PM)
i will leave him alone, i would rather he not say one word to me ever again
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 12:59:52 PM)
He would hope the same.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:01:28 PM)
were you able to see the threads i tried to cut and paste to signal dancer?
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:01:41 PM)
Yes.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:01:48 PM)
it showed the mentor issue and toh going back and forth on it
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:03:12 PM)
Toh didn't go back and forth. He agreed to allow you to find an NPC (after they were established in the venue SL), he never said he would create and tailor an NPC to play with only you to provide one.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:03:29 PM)
do warnings wear off in time or with "good behaviour"? actually he did in that thread
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:03:36 PM)
No.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:03:43 PM)
i can show it to you
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:04:00 PM)
I'm saying no, the site warning/venue ban doesn't have an expiration date.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:04:14 PM)
its a moot issue now but it was there..... oh
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:04:51 PM)
*nods* Is there anything else you'd like me to hear at this point? ^_^
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:05:35 PM)
no, i am greatful for the possible chance in the future and thank you for taking the time to talk with me. i wish it could have been under better circumstances though
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:06:09 PM)
Agreed. And thank you for your courtesy through all this. I have done my damnedest to return it. ^_^
Mitternacht. (Mar 21, 2011 1:06:25 PM)
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Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:07:17 PM)
alrighty, may i go now?
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:07:38 PM)
Of course.
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:07:48 PM)
i need to make dinner and such, take a moment ofline. bye!
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:07:52 PM)
:)
Valo Kivi (Mar 21, 2011 1:07:56 PM)
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Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 1:08:51 PM)
You might just be a saint.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:09:24 PM)
I might just be doing 4 things and couldn't pay enough attention to be angry. ^_~ Now you know my secret.
Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 1:09:31 PM)
no, not about that.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:09:35 PM)
I changed a PCs name, heard out 2 other complaints, and talked to Sig.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:09:45 PM)
Oh..and making dinner. lol
Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 1:09:47 PM)
about giving her a tiny little maybe that might just make her shut the fuck up and stop pestering us.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:10:00 PM)
Oh that. Lol It's a gift.
Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 1:10:02 PM)
I'm tempted to say give her a site warning for not accepting our ruling earlier >.>
Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 1:10:08 PM)
but I'll behave
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:10:13 PM)
And really..people hear what they want to hear.
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:10:23 PM)
*hugs* Bai hon!
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:10:35 PM)
Time to eat said dinner!
Dastai (Mar 21, 2011 1:10:53 PM)
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Allegory (Mar 21, 2011 1:12:30 PM)
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