Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:50:31 PM)
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Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 10:50:41 PM)
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Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:51:44 PM)
So we're running into a small issue here Darya

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 10:52:14 PM)
What is that? If its the Merits and Flaws I got permission from Ghostlin which I can past to you

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:52:18 PM)
No one has the book

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 10:52:25 PM)
I can post them for ya

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:52:36 PM)
And Ghostlin thought you were taking the merit from the Vampire book

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:52:42 PM)
I've already talked to him

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 10:52:45 PM)
no Its Medium book

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:53:20 PM)
None of the STs have the book. It's really not fair to us or the other players to allow merits we don't have access to

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 10:53:43 PM)
What if i find a PDF form of this book?

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 10:54:35 PM)
Because i have the history all written out with the merits and flaws in it

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:54:36 PM)
Let me ask

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 10:55:33 PM)
I found it too on Drivethru I will be buying it for you guys

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:56:01 PM)
I'm not asking you to buy it for us, give me a moment to talk to the team

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 10:56:34 PM)
kk

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:59:05 PM)
I got it now

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 10:59:17 PM)
I actually have a wraith collection

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 10:59:35 PM)
dang.. ok [7/25/2010 3:41:16 PM] Laura: So i can take stuff from the medium book then mertis and such? [7/25/2010 3:41:21 PM] Ghostlin: yes.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:00:03 PM)
Yea i have mostly all books. :)

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:00:09 PM)
Ghostlin thought you meant the Medium Merit, not Merits from the wraith book

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:00:19 PM)
I said book

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:00:20 PM)
LOL

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:00:42 PM)
I have about 400 PDFs and 250 of the paper books

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:01:03 PM)
Yea you have alot, as well do i

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:01:16 PM)
Admitedly, 250 of the PDFs are the books I have on hardcover :)

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:01:40 PM)
and the others are ones WW decided I needed at times or I bought

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:01:58 PM)
yea.. I have all from 1 to revered and all of the mummies too

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:02:04 PM)
Give me a moment to read the merits over

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:02:37 PM)
and when EG mentioned that Sl I got excited cuse its perfect for this pc

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:06:17 PM)
General consense is that it was the impression there would be only one Merit. There isn't a wraith Venue on the chat to attach you to, and while the STs were good with you having the merit Medium, they aren't completely comfortable with you having merits from books that no one is using.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:09:23 PM)
Im not sure why those merits aren't all that powerful. Deathsight is a curse which she sees the world as a wrath does.. etc etc, and speakers of the dead she is able to see the dead and speak to them. and having the extreamly depressing flaw adds to the Deathsight.. its all for the concept.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:10:10 PM)
Wraith even

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:12:05 PM)
I understand it's all for your concept, and I personally don't mind if you keep the idea of her seeing things differently as part of her character concept, but unfortanately I wont be able to use the merits and flaws from a non venue book on your sheet.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:12:54 PM)
Can I at least keep Deathsight and use the Medium merit?

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:13:43 PM)
you can use the meduim merit and I would suggest there may be a flaw in the Garou books that is acceptable instead of Deathsight, let me see if I can find it

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:14:41 PM)
Hmm Spirit ways can i use tha tbook?

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:14:54 PM)
The Spirit ways is use for both garou and mages

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:15:20 PM)
yes if it's a venue book and we can find a simular merit to use instead I am good with that

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:15:29 PM)
or flaw even

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:15:31 PM)
Nice ok let me get the ones i need

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:16:29 PM)
Gift of tongues 3pt page 104 The Spirit ways

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:16:42 PM)
you are able to speak to any and all types of spirits and ghosts

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:17:18 PM)
Spirit Sight. 4pt and with that i need Spiritually noticeable 3pt flaw

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:17:38 PM)
Medium lets you hear and talk to spirits already

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:18:06 PM)
I'm really only looking for a replacement flaw for Deathsight

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:18:15 PM)
Ok Spirit sight and Spirit noticeable?

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:18:31 PM)
Ok Spiritually noticeable is a flaw

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:18:55 PM)
Only mages who posses either the medium or spiright sight meirt can take this flaw. So Yea. Medium

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:19:11 PM)
You're not a mage though

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:19:12 PM)
Meaning not just only mages who have Medium can take that flaw

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:19:20 PM)
and not going to me allowed to be a mage.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:19:46 PM)
it basially makes you a spirit magnet.. LOL

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:20:50 PM)
Im looking thorugh my books.. if i can have spirit magnent that would be great 1pt Merit

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:21:20 PM)
Which I'm not going to do. As I said, I am willing to allow for medium as a merit because it's from a main core we all have. If there's a garou flaw that will work in place of Deathsight I am good with that as well, but it's prefered you stick to venue books

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:21:48 PM)
I am sticking with Venue books hun

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:21:49 PM)
ROFL

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:21:55 PM)
Spirit magnet is in garou book I beleive

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:22:26 PM)
Spirit Ways is a Mage book

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:22:52 PM)
I know but I saw Spirit magnet in a garou book im looking ofr it

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:23:05 PM)
Ok

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:24:04 PM)
brb getting my other books

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:25:34 PM)
looking through the possessed book too. Thats damn good book

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:26:30 PM)
not in that one

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:28:09 PM)
Found it. Page 165 in players guide to the garou 38-6

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:28:19 PM)
3806 that is Spirit magnet

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:28:20 PM)
Spirit Magnent?

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:28:23 PM)
Yep

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:28:29 PM)
What was the flaw you were talking about?

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:28:52 PM)
I was possibly thinking delusions :)

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:29:39 PM)
Delusions how would that make me see everything as a wraith sees?

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:29:57 PM)
She thinks she sees it :)

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:30:00 PM)
I could be possessed by a spirit that causes such a thing

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:30:10 PM)
no.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:30:14 PM)
Mediums are open to such lol

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:30:28 PM)
And again, the answer is no.

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:30:38 PM)
No spirit possesed PCs

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:30:41 PM)
lol

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:31:20 PM)
What would cause her to have delusional imagery?

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:32:56 PM)
She is relating that heavily to those she speaks to, she's started "seeing" what they have told her they see

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:33:21 PM)
ahh ok that makes sense so she sees it all the time then?

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:33:34 PM)
She's been trying so hard to see it that she now thinks she can yes

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:34:07 PM)
Ok So like Buildings would be different to her, Living beings would be different to her basically seeing through the wraith's eyes?

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:34:35 PM)
yep.

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:34:41 PM)
Atleast that's what she thinks

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:34:57 PM)
Ok I can deal wit that, So I get Medium, and spirit magnet and delusional That should at least be a 4pter flaw there..

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:35:11 PM)
It's usually 2

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:35:50 PM)
ok what bout the depressing flaw?

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:35:53 PM)
LOL

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:36:14 PM)
Being hounded by spirits 24/7 can be depressing

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:36:19 PM)
I want you to work that out hun. Stick to the core venue books

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:36:43 PM)
And I really prefer not to have you have Spirit Magnet as a note since mediums hear ghosts, not spirits

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:36:55 PM)
Ok let me find another then too bad i cant' take slip sideways. ROFL Spirits force her to do that.. but thats garou flaw

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:37:18 PM)
Spirit magnet attracts ghosts as well Spirits

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:37:36 PM)
yes but spirits would be disruptive to the game

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:37:50 PM)
How so? Garou deal with Spirits all the time

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:38:02 PM)
Go ahead and work on your sheet. I'll be on the forums. Garou don't all have that flaw

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:38:15 PM)
Yes they do

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:38:18 PM)
I told you where it is

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:38:35 PM)
I know where the flaw is and what book it is from

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:38:41 PM)
Spirit Magnet page 165 Players guide to garou

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:38:57 PM)
but it is vastly different for an average garou to just talk to spirits and to have that flaw

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:39:58 PM)
And even more so for a kinfolk to know about spirits and a kinfolk to have that flaw

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:40:16 PM)
Especially one without the ability to know that spirits follow her around

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:40:39 PM)
See thats the fun part

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:42:01 PM)
That's the part where the garou lock you up to keep you out of trouble

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:44:24 PM)
How about...Spirit Mentor which can relate to Medium. You have a ghostly companion and guide. The Idenity and exact powers of this spirit are up to the St but it can be called upon in difficuilt Sisutations for help and guidance page 300 vampire book same page as medium is on.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:45:05 PM)
It could be a relitive that died years back guiding her.

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:45:08 PM)
No

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:46:16 PM)
You're a kinfolk hun. You're not a garou with Ancestors, you don't have the ability to get into the umbra. We're willing to let you have the medium merit, that is only restricted not banned, but the rest of this is stuff that I would even question on a garou

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:46:24 PM)
I've wasted my time writing up a history.. with allt he stuff i had in general basically this pc is being ruined.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:46:37 PM)
This is in the vampire BOOK

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:47:00 PM)
read it. Page 300

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:47:30 PM)
Thsi has nothing to do with Umbra

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:47:36 PM)
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not touching your history and i think your concept can work, but there is a point that I have to say no.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:48:04 PM)
my sheet is done according to my history

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:48:47 PM)
Sheets can be adjusted without losing the essence of the history

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:48:52 PM)
But i am telling you that. Medium is a 2pt merit in Vampire the masquerade book page 300 if you look two merits down you see Spirit mentor.. Its way different from what you're saying

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:49:47 PM)
Garou has it's own version of the Spirit Mentor merit

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:50:19 PM)
Show me Medium in Garou book

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:51:10 PM)
It's not in the garou book.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:51:43 PM)
I know, its in the vampire book, its also in Mage book, also I believe changeling book.

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:53:55 PM)
Sweetie, if you're going to try and use that is a reason to have the Vampire version of a merit, by that reasoning we should allow you to have Medium because it's not in garou. We're being nice and allowing you to have it. Please work within the rescritions we're offering it under.

Darya Ivankov (Aug 8, 2010 11:57:09 PM)
Im trying, and Im trying to base on my concept which just about everything i mentioned does. Im not trying to be a twink here im not trying to be stubborn which i can be.. and Im about to say F it and just not do the pc.. Cause i feel right now its ruined.

Jayded of the Books (Aug 8, 2010 11:59:03 PM)
I'm sorry you feel that way. I would love to see you do the concept. I am going to ask you to do it within the limits that will make the game enjoyable with everyone