SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 10:59:34 PM)
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Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 10:59:40 PM)
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SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 10:59:58 PM)
okay let me pull up your sheet and background

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:00:00 PM)
that'll take me a few

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:00:03 PM)
okay

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:04:58 PM)
Darlin, can i ask you something bluntly?

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:06:18 PM)
Why is this a ragabash not an ahroun?

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:07:44 PM)
He is physical, but cunning (aka assassin/wits is high/etc...) Ragabash in the fenrir are known for being less honorable, willing to fight in ways the others arent, their method of questioning is to tackle unconventional tactics, etc...

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:08:31 PM)
I'll grant that this is true about their ragabash but the sheet honestly is statted out like an ahroun other than gifts and rage

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:08:51 PM)
I think you could work this with some changes, if you want to work with me on it, but i'm not going to sanction it as is.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:09:35 PM)
Actually the concept could not work as an ahroun, cause of house rules on influence and such... he could have no mob ties and such... and his rage would be to much of a liablity to try

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:10:14 PM)
Okay, would you be willing to work with me on adjusting some of the numbers?

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:10:21 PM)
and as an ahroun his personality and fighting style would never work in the Fenrir tribe

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:10:33 PM)
well that's fine, we can tweak the sheet to fit ragabash better

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:10:37 PM)
umm, depending on which numbers, sure

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:10:49 PM)
okay well let me start with some of the basics, i'm just going to go down a list here

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:11:08 PM)
1. some expounding on your resources would be good. yes your mob affiliated but, where and how in that structure the money comes from would be good.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:11:23 PM)
2. i see the history for the pure breed, but they need to be out of the Fenrir tribe not the GW tribe mixed in.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:12:14 PM)
3. I really think it would be more appropriate for a raggie to put your primary as mental, secondary as physical (or primary social, secondary physical), but you could get dex up a bit higher with freebies.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:12:59 PM)
4. ah, intimidation i'd like more justification to let in as a four. explain a little more about how he achieves that other than "i can beat you up".

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:13:15 PM)
5. same with firearms three. some justification on how he's that good with a gun (most street thugs arent) would be good.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:15:05 PM)
Hunted- i'll let you have this but i dont think a police man, especially a rookie, is worth three points.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:15:13 PM)
a fellow mobster could be.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:15:26 PM)
police by nature having to have their hands tied- unless he's corrupt (possible), but probably also not a rookie.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:16:00 PM)
so a lot of that is fixable by justification. i'm also checking to see if influences are in our rule set as i cant recall off the top of my head. if they are allowed then what you have is okay there.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:17:53 PM)
1) Resources 3 isnt "that much" money based on the description and his heritage/mafia/street ties... and he does hits, he is a hit man in the mob, young and relatively inexperienced he may be... 2) Hmm PB says heroes of the nation, and the ranking/more powerful influence of his blood is Fenrir still, though its been diluted some by one side of the family having interrealtions with GWs (which is why i am only going for 2)

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:18:52 PM)
3) I know it is more normal to have social/mental raggies... but due to his tribe and concept I feel that his history is such that for now he would be more physical and can grow into more mental based as he grows up... if i had my way i would do 5/5/5 for stats, but somewhere has to take a hit at creation *shrugs*

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:19:34 PM)
4) Intimidation hes a thug/kneebreaker/hitman... mob ties, etc... combined with the feralness of being a Garou that would lead to a very intimidating person, when he choses to bring it to bare I would imagine...

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:20:19 PM)
5) hes not a gang-banger, hes a mob hitman/kneebreaker... his main means of combat is firearms, kneebreak is for when someone is tied down and you can wail on them (thus the lower melee/brawl)

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:21:06 PM)
1) - i'm not saying you cant have it. i'm just saying expanding on the forum that your'e an actual hit man would be appropriate. 2) PB is in our restricted list. we have too many players with it. and it's rare to begin with. so mixinga round tribes doesnt work to "lower" from a higher number. almost nobody has more than that in current times. 3)i would not sanction a 5/5/5 for anyone, of any auspice, of any tribe. period. It's not just "normal" it's pretty much cannon. 4) again, i'm just asking for more details, it's not a no. 5) see four. i'm asking for you to detail more how he learned it, not that you cant have it. (and i wouldn't let a raggie have high firearms and high melee and high brawl) also 6. starting influences arenta llowed. not that they dont fit, they simply arent permitted.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:21:06 PM)
Hunted- I evisioned a rookie cause it talks about the hunter being cunning, just cause he is young doesnt mean he cant out think his prey... i dont have a problem if oyu want to say hes been on the force a couple of years i guess

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:21:29 PM)
with hunted the reason i have an issue is a cop who isn't corrupt will only hunt via legal means

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:21:37 PM)
this means their hands are tied a lot compared to what a normal "hunted" situation is.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:21:49 PM)
so either a. the cop doesnt play by the rules or b. make it something else.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:21:59 PM)
Hmmm

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:22:59 PM)
What if... he "isnt" corrupt, yet... what if the hunter is a cop who was idealistic, and the reason he has latched onto me personally is I did something that was responsible for shattering his idealism.. he may not be corrupt per se, but is more extreme now than he would have been?

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:24:01 PM)
That would depend on the details. if you want to maybe expand on that on background i can reconsider it if he would be willing to go to extreemes to get at your char.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:27:26 PM)
I mean... okay... so you want long backstories... is basically what you are saying?

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:27:45 PM)
i'm saying i want some details/justification on what i listed, and i definately want the combat dice taken down somewhat

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:27:52 PM)
the best way to do that would be to readjust the phys primary.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:28:25 PM)
really, chars cliath. give him somewhere to grow into.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:29:06 PM)
The character has plenty of places to grow... what he has is the essentials of being a Fenrir and Mob kneebreaker/hitman...

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:30:03 PM)
which, sort of leaves the entire rest of the purpose of a raggie auspice out of the character?

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:30:13 PM)
is what i'm saying? ragabash arent solely killing machines.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:35:18 PM)
He isnt solely a killing machine for one and for two, Ragabash assassin type is one of the cores of that auspice... ragabash are unconventional... they are cunning... and they question the way things are... thats all there is at the core of being a ragabash...

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:35:44 PM)
His concept is to fill the "assassin" archeatype for the auspice at creation, and to grow into other archeatypes in game

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:36:01 PM)
and i'm asking for a little more balance.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:36:06 PM)
i'm not asying you cant be an assasin at all.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:37:17 PM)
I dont understand, the character is very well balanced for a Cliath... he has combat, he has streetwise, he has stealth, some knowledges, ways to avoid fights (intim and stealth), he has enough subterfuge and wits to fast talk his way out of situations or fast talk and provoke someone if he needs to...

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:39:37 PM)
it honestly doesnt suit the balance we're going for in this game. is what i'm saying

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:39:48 PM)
if a table top ST you know wants that kind of concept, well more power to them.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:40:09 PM)
but i'm saying it's combat heavy for our game (in addition to the other issues that need fixing like PB from Fenrir only)

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:43:38 PM)
okay fine lets drop firearms to 2, melee to 0... move those points to.. Drive 1 and Security 2, you think? or something else?

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:43:59 PM)
drive and security is fine. very suiting for a ragabash.

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:47:14 PM)
i need to go to bed, but, if you want to move those points, i'd still ask you to readjust the phys primary, but expand the backgrounds for the rest, i will relook at it tommorow

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:47:41 PM)
just send me an FPM when you are done ok?

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:48:00 PM)
can you reload the backstory real quick

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:48:19 PM)
reworked the lineage, see if that is more fitting for PB2/mob connections

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:48:36 PM)
darlin, i'm about to facedesk on my keyboard

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:48:41 PM)
i promise you i will read it tommorow. without fail.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:48:58 PM)
okay, well if i catch someone else before then can i hae them look at it, or do i need to wait for you specifically?

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:49:27 PM)
wait for me. since i've started this.

Mario Angellini (Feb 22, 2011 11:49:54 PM)
okay *le sigh* night

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:50:02 PM)
night

SignalDancer (Feb 22, 2011 11:50:04 PM)
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