Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:32:57 PM)
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Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:33:15 PM)
*She walked with Sarah, not behind her*
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:33:42 PM)
The way I have heard things it was a extremely bad combination of the lunar effect, AND how Jenna and Sergei handled it once confronted.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:35:30 PM)
"Jenna speaks of her lover often. It confuses me to be honest*
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:36:25 PM)
Malcolm was the typical high rage traditionalist reaction I'd expect. Confronting the metis Jenna about how they think it's inappropriate, throw in some swear words and alot of prejudice. Handed with intelligence and tact Jenna should have seen Sergei clear....sending him into the house, telling him to go home. GETTING him OUT of the path of an insensed garou on the full moon.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:36:52 PM)
Mistake number one we'll call it.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:38:22 PM)
She didn't. Jenna is weak to be blunt. She probably just got all emotional, blubbered excuses about love and such, when with intelligence and tact, she could have deflected Malcolm's inqueries by telling him theres no litany law against metis relationships and to tactfully go take a hike.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:39:23 PM)
Number of ways you can handle a hot head short of blunt on.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:39:41 PM)
"Number one, is avoid the confrontation
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:40:50 PM)
Yes. Number one would have been recognizing that relationships like that are a hot button and to keep it discrete. Some of the Children of Gaia MIGHT be aware of things, but they don't care because it's been kept on the down low. And Striders don't have enough presense to care either way.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:41:39 PM)
You aren't playing kissy face in the middle of the sept where some traditionalist prick can take exception.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:41:48 PM)
"I've never met Malcom anyway, and very few people in my tribe know about even my friendships
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:43:47 PM)
"Sometimes that itself is depressing, because my own tribe is a group of strangers. Only in your pack have I felt the acceptance of family
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:44:32 PM)
Number two is Jenna when confronted should have seen to the safety of Sergei. Shes no cub she should have realized the risk. No garou ever MEANS to lose it. But Rage is close to the surface at the full moon. Once the arguement heated up she should have ordered Sergei to somewhere safer. Also Sergei should have realized how dangerous riled garou can be then.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:45:22 PM)
*She hung her head a bit* we forget sometimes you know... like I did with Mercy
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:46:01 PM)
*nods* I'm sorry you are distant from your tribe. I'm....not sure how to help that one. I'm certainly not barring you from socializing.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:46:21 PM)
It's more...them.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:47:56 PM)
I never felt it was you Sarah, I could be close to Star, but she tends to overreact so much I don't want her going to goo everytime there are problems. That and she can not keep a hold of her own tounge
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:49:50 PM)
OK...going back to Jenna, number three actually lies with Malcolm. Ahrouns are just as responsible of keeping control of themselves as others are for watching it around them. It IS hard, but it IS possible for an Ahroun to have enough self awareness and self discipline to realize they are getting to the danger level and to walk away. Malcolm has his blame in this fiasco because even if he DID have a problem with the relationship, he could have taken it to the elders, halfmoons, Master of the Challenge OR walked away when he got too upset. So many things he COULD have done. Instead he played dumb ass hothead prick that loses it.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:50:32 PM)
Star? Shes a child.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:51:26 PM)
I don't care what rank the Nation says she has, shes a cub. She still acts as one, thinks as one. When I see an adult I'll treat her as one. Until then shes a child. And wise people don't let children play with fire, and don't trust them with too great a responsibility.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:51:30 PM)
So it seems like they all had a blame
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:51:52 PM)
Last is Sergei himself.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:52:07 PM)
"He shouldn't have gotten in the way
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:53:48 PM)
Even kin can forget themselves with garou. Thats true. He saw Jenna, whom he loved, being verbally abused and attacked by an angry disaproving prick, and being the chivilrous male he tried to rush to her rescue. Instinct and emotion. No thought. *sighs* I understand he said some insults in the conversation, thoughtlessly baited and insighted Malcolm further in the heat of the moment. Which lead to the frenzy and his death.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:54:33 PM)
Right......he got in the way at the wrong place and time. Thats how the worst always seems to happen.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:55:51 PM)
Most of the fault lies with Jenna and Malcolm though in my eyes. It takes time for kinfolk to learn to handle themselves around garou. Sergei seemed kinda new at it to me. Jenna should have gotten him the HELL OUT OF THERE.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:56:05 PM)
Malcolm should have been able to KEEP HIS SHIT together.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:56:31 PM)
At at root the two of them should have kept things DISCRETE.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:56:33 PM)
"The lesson to me is this, there is a reason we were asked to be descreet should we chose to have a relationship. "
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:56:36 PM)
*sits down*
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:57:16 PM)
"It is hard, sometimes Sarah, to see other kinfolk able to profess their feelings for their loved ones without being able to do so myself
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:57:57 PM)
I understand. But ...that whole tragic farse, is an object lesson of why I advised you as I did.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:58:28 PM)
I may not play politics much but I survived as a lone Uktena in an urban sept by being very very aware of politics and consequences.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:59:16 PM)
"But this proves more than words would, why the best protection of that relationship, is to avoid all question of it. Which is why I am looking into a possible coupling with a cog trueborn in a sept in San Fransisco after I am cancer free
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 8:59:46 PM)
*She covered her mouth, realising what she said and went pale. She had not admitted to herself that this thing was more deadly than it was*
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 8:59:53 PM)
And if you got found out I don't think it would lead to deaths, Horus and yourself are wiser than that. But it would lead to....very uncomfortable attention on this pack, and definately would probably force halfmoon attention. And I'm not sure how it would play out.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:00:20 PM)
Be honest with Horus then.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:00:24 PM)
*looks at her*
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:01:01 PM)
*she let out a deep breath* We'd already spoken about it
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:02:01 PM)
As long as you are honest with my packmate, even if it hurts him I won't be angry. I'd be more angry at lies, deceit, head games. Truth hurts, but it's cleaner and hurts less then being strung along you know?
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:04:53 PM)
*she nodded* Andy and I have spoken at length. Having a child, though it might be difficult, would atleast give the elders no reason to turn their headsd if I chose not to take a long term mate. Horus has aggreed with this as long as he never has to meet the man who will father the child. My plan is to avoid any possible conflicts by chosing a trueborn in another state, where even if they do meet by accident, they will never know.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:05:34 PM)
Children of Gaia do that? Temp matings and such?
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:05:45 PM)
"yes, fairly easily too
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:05:53 PM)
*scratches head* I knew you were more causual about things but I had no idea how casual.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:06:16 PM)
*She sighs* I"m not as casual as you might think
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:06:24 PM)
Humm once you've had a kid, no one could say you .....and later on if you and Horus got serious well........actually it's not that bad an idea.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:06:43 PM)
Hes actually OK with this? *meaning Horus*
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:07:22 PM)
"From what he tells me, as long as I don't introduce them... which I wouldn't want to do anyway... if he's not, please tell me... he might not be honest with me because of fear.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:08:44 PM)
"One thing Andy insists though, is that I heal first
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:08:47 PM)
Hes hard to read...but when I corner him well he usually answers questions I put to him honestly. ........Hes just not always the most frank at volunteering information.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:08:54 PM)
Usually I respect his space.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:09:11 PM)
*she nodded* I just don't want him to not be alright with it and tell me he is
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:09:24 PM)
I'll see what I can do.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:09:46 PM)
So wierd.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:10:09 PM)
*shakes her head* Pack link....I hear Neith and Mercy talking about training sessions while I'm here talking to you.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:10:19 PM)
Wierd.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:10:26 PM)
Still getting used to it.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:10:35 PM)
"Oh, we can go back if you like, I will drop the subject entirely now
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:10:49 PM)
You have anything else you need to tell me?
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:11:13 PM)
((waiting for an ST to answer my scene request on your healing OR, at least witnessing the related rolls))
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:12:50 PM)
((kk)) I need to know when rent is due
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:13:02 PM)
Humm.....how about the 15th?
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:13:26 PM)
Works for me.
Megan Hunt (Nov 1, 2010 9:13:30 PM)
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Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:13:31 PM)
OK lets go back then.
Sarah Runningfox (Nov 1, 2010 9:13:37 PM)
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