steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:00:53 AM)
ie dokes merideth gonna be a thrall or demon?
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:01:02 AM)
Demony.
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:01:17 AM)
okie dokes.. you both familiar with the demon game or new to it?
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:01:44 AM)
First Demon Char.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:01:48 AM)
somewhat familiar. i played TT a couple of times years ago.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:02:11 AM)
wanted to learn more. and the best way is to learn by doing
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:02:32 AM)
What Chas said.
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:02:36 AM)
okie dokes then... yeah i agree. did you both read the books fully?
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:03:11 AM)
i read the core
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:03:19 AM)
I've read the core just about cover to cover and I've read bits and pieces of a few other books.
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:04:04 AM)
the core is themost important part... the other players are super helpful so theyll help you along as you play, let me read meredeths bg real quick and then get back to you ok?
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:04:15 AM)
Mkay.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:04:16 AM)
ok
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:07:01 AM)
ok so the possibility that both lovers would become demons would be highly highly unlikely in a random situation...
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:07:32 AM)
But not impossible.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:08:06 AM)
And I think it offers oppertunities for interesting storytelling.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:08:22 AM)
ornius isn't exactly well liked by the other demons anyway
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:08:32 AM)
almost.. but if the demons planned escape together itd be much more likely.... and that means you would have vague memories of each other in the new bodies depending on how much you remember
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:10:27 AM)
right, but when you need a body ASAP when you escape, you'll take any port in a storm
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:11:02 AM)
doesnt really work that way is the problem... something about the mortal draws you into them from the abyss
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:11:09 AM)
Exactly. Also my feelings were the resonance left behind by Chastity's sorrow would have also drawn Saphriel as a potential vessel.
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:11:14 AM)
its that draw that allows you the strength to break the bonds
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:12:33 AM)
ornius found a broken soul that was wanting to protect someone she truely cared about. he's always been a protector
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:12:50 AM)
Within limits. Demons tend to prefer hosts with similarities but having a host comes first over going back to the Abyss for being picky.
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:13:09 AM)
well you feel the pull of the host first
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:14:37 AM)
Well in their own ways both hosts fit in with the Demons that possesed them.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:15:04 AM)
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steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:15:42 AM)
i really like for things to make solid sense and am not really ok with the whole deus ex solutions for things
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:16:14 AM)
hey guys this is omen he is a new asst
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:16:24 AM)
-bows- We've met in passing. Hi there. ^_^
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:16:41 AM)
he is the splainer dude
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:18:33 AM)
What's goin on? ^_^
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:19:32 AM)
Dues ex machina is a very murky statement. Could you clarify in what way you feel its like that/
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steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:19:43 AM)
im just not comfortable with the one in a billion shot of two random demons poping into two random people who happen to be madly in love and know each other .... see if you guys can figure it out a little better
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:20:22 AM)
its the just cus i said so school of story imo
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:20:33 AM)
That is one hell of a coincidence. Several times in the books it goes into just how rare the fallen who've escaped the pit are. The infernal courts don't even consider death penalties are a feasible option because of it...and they're demons.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:20:54 AM)
Hmm. : \
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:21:09 AM)
The fact is, the possible hosts out there are thousands of times more numerous than the amount of demons escaping.
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:21:27 AM)
likie seriously out of conceivably millions of demons in hell... depending on what kind of mythology you believe... only like a few hundred have escaped...
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:21:32 AM)
Alright. Then how about we go back a bit, say they knew one another in the pit and escaped together.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:21:35 AM)
2 random demons coming into 2 hosts in such close relation is not only improbible, but it kinda flies in the face of the whole concept of rarity.
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:21:58 AM)
ok rework it and let me know what you guys come up with when youre done
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:23:03 AM)
I have an idea for you two.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:23:16 AM)
Steev has filled me in a little bit on your concept.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:23:31 AM)
fire away
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:23:39 AM)
Yea. We're all ears.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:23:57 AM)
One host comatose, while the other commits suicide. If the one who commits suicide is possessed then gather's a cult, they could then use that cult to summon a demon into their host's comatose lover to bring them out of the coma.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:24:31 AM)
There are, of course, some downsides and complications around this type of situation, yet it's much more feasible than just 2 random demons happening to land in host's of such close relations and proximity.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:25:20 AM)
*nod* makes sense. however, there's one thing that you guys are overlooking with Ornius. there isn't a single demon out there that would trust him
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:25:22 AM)
First of all, whomever is the one with the cult doing the summoning would choose the demon to be summoned into their host's comatose lover for a reason. Not just picking them randomly out of the crowd. It's too dangerous and I can't imagine any fallen being that foolish.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:26:05 AM)
If Ornius possessing the comatose host? Or the suicide victim?
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:26:10 AM)
suicide
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:26:39 AM)
you spent like 70,000 years in hell... there are possibilities
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:26:40 AM)
ornius was a double agent during the war. he was giving information to both sides so he wouldn't have to fight.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:26:52 AM)
That doesn't mean everyone knows about it.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:26:59 AM)
infamy flaw
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:27:00 AM)
Well. Ornius was in the pit a looong time.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:27:02 AM)
Otherwise? You wouldn't have survived the pit. The archdukes would have destroyed you ages ago
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:27:07 AM)
things change.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:27:08 AM)
Everyone was.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:27:09 AM)
It's the pit.
steev (Oct 27, 2010 12:27:30 AM)
im gonna poof a bit you guys work on it ill be back later
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:28:12 AM)
omen, that would mean i have to fix my backgrounds a bit, right?
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:28:14 AM)
If you took infamy for being a double agent to the host of heaven, you should have been destroyed in the pit. Fact is, the only fallen to currently escape are the weak ones. You'd have no way of defending yourself over the millinia if you're a known traitor. You'd be devoured by the others almost as soon as Michael cast you into the pit
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:28:38 AM)
Well if ornius sommoned Saphriel specificly it would mean that ornius knew Saph's true name.. not something given lightly is the only problem.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:28:54 AM)
Not true. Celestial names can be used to summon, the difficulty is just slightly higher
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:29:01 AM)
Ahh.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:29:33 AM)
Well as i understand it she wasn't a genuine true agent. She just stayed out of the fighting and protected people.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:29:34 AM)
If it's part of your history, however, that difficulty isn't much of a factor.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:29:52 AM)
*genuine double agent
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:29:54 AM)
Many members of the crimson legion did that.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:30:41 AM)
ornius did everything it could to stay out of combat and protect it's goat herding family
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:30:55 AM)
So not really a traitor.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:31:05 AM)
If you want to be a genuine double agent? I wouldn't want to see infamy. I'd want to see dark secret...or even dark fate. Cuz if any demons found out other than the 2 reconcilers in game? You'll be changing hosts more than I change underwear.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:31:51 AM)
some would see ornius as a traitor to the cause for giving information to the Host's side
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:32:17 AM)
Right, and if you were doing that and got caught? You'd no longer exist. Hence the dark secret or dark fate.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:32:29 AM)
Not infamy.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:33:10 AM)
but at the same time, he was also giving information to the rebels
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:33:10 AM)
If you drop that, however, the fact you avoided combat to protect your flock isn't really that rare. The crimson legion was notorious for it, as were some few of the Iron legion. Many of whom returned from the pit to join the Reconciler faction.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:33:57 AM)
Yea the factions are like neo legions.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:34:04 AM)
Two wrongs don't make a right. If you were found out feeding information to the host's of heaven, you'd have been destroyed. Until the civil war between the great legions, they all shared information. Eventually that fact would get around to the Ebon Legion and Abaddon himself would have had you destroyed.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:34:46 AM)
Infamy as a traitor simply doesn't cut it. People don't just 'dislike you' or 'distrust you' for turning traitor and giving info to the Heavenly Host. They destroy you.
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Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:36:56 AM)
i couldn't find any other flaw that fit. scourges were spies, infiltrators, and the like during the war.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:37:28 AM)
Now, if you want to stick with that concept I don't see a problem with it. However, infamy would need to be replaced with dark secret (and hope to hell no one learns IC) or dark fate (and understand it means your character likely won't survive long).
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:37:38 AM)
Alternately she could be infamous for some horrific act of cowardess. :P
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:38:01 AM)
the fact that he refused to fight at all
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:38:11 AM)
Not nearly far enough.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:38:39 AM)
Even if your flock was threatened?
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:39:29 AM)
if the flock was threatened... he'd have put them back together and lead them away
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:40:18 AM)
If a berserking member of the Ebon legion tore into his flock during the Sebettu civil war, when the silver, ebon, and alabastre fought the crimson and iron, would he have fought back? Or let them be destroyed and find a new one?
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:40:53 AM)
If you'd simply let them be destroyed and move on to find more? Yes. Infamy. If you'd have fought in their defense? You're just one of the softer hearted members of the crimson.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:41:41 AM)
the problem is, dark secret isn't in the player's guide
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:42:02 AM)
I have a feeling that if you really want to do that to yourself? We can work something out.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:42:40 AM)
Just remember. Secrets get out. Someone out there would know. And flaws arn't just gonna sit on sheets and not come into play.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:43:47 AM)
you've missed what i was saying. Dark Secret is not in the Demon Player's Guide. that's why i took Infamy instead
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:44:33 AM)
-nods- I know it's not. But it's a flaw for WoD characters. Thus, we can always pull it from a different source if you really want it. I only advise against it because of the IC consequences, not due to it being drawn from external sources.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:45:12 AM)
We can do that? >_>
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 12:45:26 AM)
the last time i tried to pull things from other books, i was smacked around by an ST
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:45:34 AM)
I'm an ST.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:45:41 AM)
Just don't has my clothes yet.
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Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:47:40 AM)
I strongly recomend against it. Once again, if someone learns you were a traitor to the heavenly host IC? -shrugs- Well...I've said enough already what would happen to someone like that should their secret become known. However, I'll not stop you if you're that much of a masochist.
Neeca Caroll (Oct 27, 2010 12:48:30 AM)
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Neeca Caroll (Oct 27, 2010 12:48:35 AM)
>.>
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:48:44 AM)
-tosses a helly bean at Neeca-
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:48:56 AM)
-yes...a helly bean...cuz it's the best typo evar-
Neeca Caroll (Oct 27, 2010 12:48:57 AM)
*noms and perches on shoulder*
Neeca Caroll (Oct 27, 2010 12:50:05 AM)
*peeks over steev's shoulder*
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:50:12 AM)
I think Stteevo is afk
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:50:23 AM)
*Kicks off.* Demony peeps only.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:50:50 AM)
Neeca is demony, she just doesn't know it yet.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:50:59 AM)
Ahh. Thats okay then.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:51:53 AM)
Give me a cookie and I'll make you beautiful forever.
Neeca Caroll (Oct 27, 2010 12:52:32 AM)
i am making a thrall after my vamp...
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:53:28 AM)
I'm still working out what all the icons are.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:55:02 AM)
Sow hats the Verdict Chastity?
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:56:10 AM)
Once we settle this issue, and the manner of possession and hosts, I can count up your dots and let Steevo know you're ready.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:56:43 AM)
You could also do it while Chastity decides what she wants to do. :P atleast skim them.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:57:06 AM)
No, cuz her flaws may change which can alter points.
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Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 12:58:09 AM)
PM me your view password Meredith and I'll go ahead and check yours out at least.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 12:58:51 AM)
Yay. =D
Neeca Caroll (Oct 27, 2010 1:05:24 AM)
alright folk, i'm outtie!
Neeca Caroll (Oct 27, 2010 1:05:27 AM)
nini!
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Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 1:11:43 AM)
ok. i took out infamy and reworked the BG a bit. since she was driving when the car accident happened that almost killed meredith, i gave her Probation
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:12:14 AM)
PM me your sheet password please?
steev (Oct 27, 2010 1:28:57 AM)
..
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:30:05 AM)
Boo.
Chris Karlson (Oct 27, 2010 1:34:25 AM)
.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:34:48 AM)
I'll get with ya as soon as I can Chris. Sorry for the hold up
Chris Karlson (Oct 27, 2010 1:37:25 AM)
Will just try again some other night. I really need to get back to work. Have a good night all.
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Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:39:05 AM)
I'm gonna need to shift soon. gonna be gone for about half an hour.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:39:42 AM)
Also i don't have my books with me right now. ^^;
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:42:15 AM)
Okay, whiel you're both here.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:42:31 AM)
We still need to figure out how you're gonna end up possessing these hosts without it being ludicrously implausible.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:43:00 AM)
I liked that plan with one summoning the other.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:43:02 AM)
Will Chastity use a cult?
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 1:43:19 AM)
would i have to buy the background?
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:43:23 AM)
If so, we'll not have to change much, except Chastity will need to buy the cult background which is located on the forums
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:43:24 AM)
Yep
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 1:44:03 AM)
how much cult would i need?
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:44:24 AM)
abilities are 2 freebee points right?
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:44:33 AM)
That's correct, and you'd only need 1 occult.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:44:40 AM)
There's still the matter of getting the ritual though.
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 1:45:25 AM)
hrmmmm
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:46:04 AM)
Also.. in the book it never really clarifies. How many temporary faith points can you have up too?
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:46:11 AM)
10
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:46:19 AM)
The ritual itself will cost you 2 freebies.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:46:39 AM)
Ahh. Shiney. I was thinking it was like wp where you can only have up to your dot raiting.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:46:40 AM)
So you'll need 1 point in the cult background. Then the Ritual of Summoning for 2 freeies, which you can just list in your character notes.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:46:55 AM)
No no, 10 is your max faith rating when it comes to temp regardless of your permanent score.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:47:21 AM)
Surprised i missed that. Where is it mentioned?
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 1:47:24 AM)
what's the ritual called?
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:47:45 AM)
Ritual of Summoning, and denote Meredith's celestial name. Rituals are specific to the demons that they're used to summon.
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Aswan Kaguro (Oct 27, 2010 1:50:58 AM)
Demons! -runs and hides-
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:51:07 AM)
Mkay theres a draft for mere's fixed sheet, Check it out Omen.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:51:18 AM)
You say demon like its a bad thing.
Aswan Kaguro (Oct 27, 2010 1:51:33 AM)
Spiders are better.
Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 1:51:43 AM)
Icky spiders.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:52:30 AM)
Chastity, let me know when you get those 3 freebies alloted for the ritual and the cult.
Omen OOC (Oct 27, 2010 1:52:33 AM)
Going to check you out Meredith
Aswan Kaguro (Oct 27, 2010 1:53:11 AM)
-ninja spiders out-
Chastity Delacroix (Oct 27, 2010 1:53:12 AM)
sheet's updated
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Meredith Braxton (Oct 27, 2010 2:00:38 AM)
See you soon guys.
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