Abigail Wainwright (Dec 11, 2010 10:38:21 PM)
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Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:39:56 PM)
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Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:40:14 PM)
Yama was on....then said they were rebooting...it's now been about 15mins sinse.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:44:08 PM)
OK we were discussing the issue with the sole totem choice Yama mentioned you had on the table. Bya-Akku (sp). This totem is not appropriate as a choice because it doesn't fit the theme of the Lousianna setting for starters. It's very heavy themically Asian, and there are no tigers in North America. Yama was making counter arguements...when he crashed or whatever happened.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:44:51 PM)
Hmm.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:45:04 PM)
What Totems are in play currently?
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:45:53 PM)
I just remember a Roman War God from my last stint here.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:45:58 PM)
For starters, I had asked for a short list. A choice of 3-5 totems you guys wouldn't mind that I could work with. Point being I can emulate the slightly suprise nature of totem's selecting packs while still giving you guys something that you'd be happy with.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:47:21 PM)
Also I'm grumpy that I had said 9pm Est....and it's well past time. I have work in the morning, I have a set window in which I can run things. After that I have to sleep, and go to work and stuff. My usual time frame is 9pm est to 1AM.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:48:27 PM)
'Pologies on that score. I was told by Yama that it was 9pm. I don't live on Eastern Time and didn't think to ask for clarification on the timezone we were setting it for.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:49:24 PM)
OK....mistakes happen.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:49:48 PM)
I'm hoping Yama gets back in here because at the very least we could have a nice discussion on other totem options.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:50:40 PM)
Well, do you know what Totems other packs have? I could probably list a few, but I'd like an idea of what's being used to know what the game considers appropriate.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:50:51 PM)
What is your pack purpose?
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:52:14 PM)
That'll depend some on the totems we're allowed. Originally with the White Tiger, his ban on no Weaver-items and the alpha being a Lupus was something between furthering the Wyld and redeeming the Wyrm as the Balancer. But largely anti-Weaver.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:52:25 PM)
If he's a definite no-go, we may need to alter that.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:52:44 PM)
Definately no go.
Abigail Wainwright (Dec 11, 2010 10:52:54 PM)
I like that...ha....ah well
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:52:59 PM)
So you want a pack that fights the Weaver...
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:53:16 PM)
We did when we had a Totem with a ban of no using Weaver-items.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:53:35 PM)
The pack purpose is mutable.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:53:59 PM)
As long as its something that doesn't contradict our individual concepts, we're willing to make allowances.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:54:03 PM)
It is a war pack? Scouting? There a general theme you could apply to it?
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:54:17 PM)
Not until we know what our Totem options are, not yet.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:54:35 PM)
Purpose helps me suggest totem options.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:55:08 PM)
Knowing existing totems would help me in neither duplicating an existing one and knowing what's appropriate for the game.
Abigail Wainwright (Dec 11, 2010 10:55:31 PM)
yeah knowing what is allowable and what isn't helps too
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:56:48 PM)
Clashing Boom Boom, Crow, Owl, Wolverine, Weasel, Rat, Dragonfly, Boar, ...
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:57:03 PM)
Thats what I know certain packs have...
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 10:57:08 PM)
Off the top of my head.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:58:04 PM)
Alright, so mostly North American-style Totemic spirits.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 10:58:48 PM)
*chin rub* I know we were talking about Eagle (the Silver Fang one). Would that be acceptable for the game setting?
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:01:05 PM)
Eagle.....do realize that you need to any mates you take you have to be faithful too and thats a rather strict thing.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:01:33 PM)
But no issues with Eagle.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:01:57 PM)
*Nod* I'm familiar with the ban. I don't foresee any problems. Speaking for myself, at least.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:02:13 PM)
The other Totem outside White Tiger and Eagle we spoke about was Earthquake.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:03:08 PM)
My random suggestion list: Falcon, Stag, Bear, Boar, Rat, Chimera, Owl, Raven, Uktena, Unicorn, Coyote, Cuckoo, Fox, ....thats just from the core.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:03:33 PM)
If I skipped over a totem it either didn't like homids, prefered females, or you really need one member of the tribe to comfortably pull it off.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:03:48 PM)
No problems with Earthquake either.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:04:45 PM)
*Nod* I have some personal preferences beyond those three, but the only ones I would feel confident that I know Yama, Abigail and myself previously discussed as alternatives we were mutually okay with were White Tiger, Eagle and Earthquake.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:05:03 PM)
Personally, I've always dug Herne the Hunter. But I don't think the others are like-minded.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:05:10 PM)
And without a Fianna...
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:05:46 PM)
Yeah that might be a bit hard to justify.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:07:20 PM)
Well, those three are the choices pending Yama coming back and us agreeing on some others.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:08:17 PM)
PGtG: Bison, Frog, Sulis, Volcano, Aray, Bull, Earthquake, Flea, Weasel, Wolverine, Bacchus, Chameleon, Fog, Sphinx, Twister,
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:08:30 PM)
*Chinrub*
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:08:34 PM)
Blast, AFK a second.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:10:33 PM)
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Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:10:37 PM)
hey folks!
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:11:03 PM)
Tribebook options may be OK too...but yes North American focus is prefered. Something whose ban doesn't bar other tribes of course.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:13:14 PM)
Short list: Eagle, Earthquake, ....anything else?
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:19:05 PM)
Did I scare you all away?
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:19:29 PM)
You are a scarey guy.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:19:30 PM)
or is it my cronic halatosis?
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:19:41 PM)
Well you could do with a breath mint.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:22:27 PM)
And back from the AFK.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:23:08 PM)
Well, the only ones that I know has the entire pack's approval are Eagle and Earthquake.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:23:09 PM)
OK Short list so far: Eagle, Earthquake.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:23:31 PM)
I -think- Yama was okay with Buzzard too. But I can't promise to a moral certainty.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:23:45 PM)
What book is Buzzard in?
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:24:10 PM)
Silver Fang.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:25:38 PM)
If he is okay with Buzzard and it makes the list, I'd rather we refer to it as 'Condor'.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:25:54 PM)
Even if it is a vulture, it seems less... base.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:26:12 PM)
LoL
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:26:17 PM)
I could easily rename.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:26:42 PM)
Buzzard is fine.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:26:49 PM)
Buzzard is a good totem
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:27:05 PM)
and pretty common enough.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:28:31 PM)
Well I can't run anything tonight without Yama, ....and you want his imput on totems I assume.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:28:47 PM)
He came onto Skype about three minutes ago. He just hasn't responded.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:28:58 PM)
Give him 5 maybe.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:29:03 PM)
OK....
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:29:26 PM)
*Nod* And if it's too late to run it tonight, I understand. I'm still really embarrassed about the timezone mess-up on my part.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:29:42 PM)
Thats OK. I can reschedule.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:31:43 PM)
Yama clearly seemed to have his heart set on Bya-akku, but it really wasn't appropriate. But these other possibilities are rather interesting and more than OK.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:33:44 PM)
*Nod* We had spent a bit of time customizing the pack and some of our roleplay to accomodate Bya-Akko.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:33:56 PM)
It was probably really disappointing for him to find out that it had been wasted.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:34:46 PM)
yeah, that's not really to fitting for the setting.
Abigail Wainwright (Dec 11, 2010 11:35:02 PM)
>.>
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:35:11 PM)
I'll give this another half hour. After that I'd suggest you catch Yama when you can...talk over totems. As it is we'll definately have to reschedule for the actual scene.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:35:59 PM)
Oh. I spoke with Yama, I don't think he intends to return this evening. He's still very much upset about Bya-Akko. He's also mentioning a pack that's apparently getting a customized Totem?
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:36:15 PM)
not anymore.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:36:19 PM)
We got rid of that.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:36:57 PM)
Blast. If that was an option, I was going to say- maybe we could create a custom 'twin to Bya-Akko that's more setting appropriate.
Abigail Wainwright (Dec 11, 2010 11:37:13 PM)
Like...cougar.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:37:16 PM)
Like "Louisiana Dragonfly - same cost, bans, boons, etc".
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:37:24 PM)
Yeah, or Cougar.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:37:41 PM)
I'm leaving that sort of stuff to the full blues.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:37:43 PM)
Nope, as much problem as that stirred up on Soapbox, we aren't doing custom crap anymore.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:39:07 PM)
Well, go ahead and put us down for Eagle and Earthquake for sure. I'll talk to Yama and run over some other options that he's comfortable with.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:40:58 PM)
And frankly....I have taken alot of time this evening, and while I can empathize someone might be upset over decisions, to be upset to the point of not even discussing things so I can attempt to make productive use of the evening at all is .....well I am not impressed.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:42:02 PM)
Yes...talk it over and get back to me. My standard availability is 9pm est to 1AM est. Short list: Eagle Earthquake as it stands now.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:42:47 PM)
I don't condone his behavior, but I'm definitely empathic to his feelings. Even though Bya-Akko wasn't my first choice, finding out on the cusp of a scene that the Totem you wanted and roleplayed working toward was actually behind-the-scenes banned is cause for frustration.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:43:07 PM)
My advice? Always discuss things with STs first.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:43:18 PM)
He had, I believe.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:43:41 PM)
not with any of us.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:43:56 PM)
Infact no one talked to any of us.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:44:02 PM)
I recall him speaking with Gabby and sending her the statistics of the Totem.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:44:29 PM)
Hold on.. let me see quick.
Gabby Girl (Dec 11, 2010 11:44:30 PM)
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Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:44:45 PM)
And then being advised to proxy them toward Windseeker when she was given the task of running the scene. I don't know that Gabby ever said he could have the Totem, but it seemed to have been the impression he had.
Windseeker (Dec 11, 2010 11:45:54 PM)
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Gabby Girl (Dec 11, 2010 11:49:03 PM)
Okay here is the thing. Yama was told by me, to pick 3 to 5 totems and that the sts would choose the totem that best fits the packs goals and the geographic location of the chat itself. Allready one pack has been denied a totem that is not in the area. (example "tazamanian devil") I had waited for awhile for him to respond, which he had not. So I had logged out and logged back in and messaged him again, figuring he had my pm lost on a screen of pms which happens occasionaly. I pmed him after the relogging of my own account and made sure he understood that you all needed to come up with 3 to 5 choices and repeated what i did prior.
Gabby Girl (Dec 11, 2010 11:50:24 PM)
Thus also told him the st windseeker would be on at 9 pm estrn, I asked him tonight when only he showed up at 9 pm estrn, if he had reminded you it was estrn not another time zone i figured that was likely the issue.
Gabby Girl (Dec 11, 2010 11:51:00 PM)
He said he might not have told you estrn because you all live estrn or some such thus I figured it was a mis communication due to time zones that Abil and seeker did not show.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:51:01 PM)
*Nod* Note that I was speculating at his reaction, not giving hard and fast evidence.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:51:57 PM)
Windseeker's voicing of antipathy toward Yama's reluctance to bother returning when the Totem was thoroughly denied prompted me toward making the attempt to get her/him to see it through Yama's point of view and maybe not judge him so harshly on his reaction.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:52:44 PM)
I'm a bit disappointed that the Assistant fled the room in lieu of making the attempt... but I hope you didn't misinterpret my explanation as an attack on you. Only explaining how I think Yama might've misread the situation and so came to his end.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:53:06 PM)
I asked her to leave. so it doesn't seem like we are bullying you guys.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:53:55 PM)
Oh. Then that does make me feel a bit better, but you needn't have done so. I don't feel particularly bullied. A bit upset that Yama's upset and worried that the situation might've upset you storytellers... but not personally put upon in the least.
Zhaed (Dec 11, 2010 11:54:46 PM)
not really upset. It's just that the particular totem he wants just doesn't fit the setting particularly.
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:55:33 PM)
*Nod* I wasn't sure it would be approved myself. But then... Yama is a Stargazer, it's a Stargazer Totem... it didn't seem entirely outside the realm of plausibility.
Gabby Girl (Dec 11, 2010 11:56:21 PM)
*nods* I am not trying to be agressive here, I am only trying to tell you where the break down of communication is coming from. Yama was asked to get 3 to 5 totems, He seemed suprised when I reminded him of this yet again today when the "white Tiger" was brought up after I spoke to him about this last night. I am not at all upset to be honest I just want you all to get a good scene and a reasonable totem to fit the pack and the setting. Windseeker is an amazing storyteller, had this discussion happened between you three last night you would have had a incredible scene tonight instead of all this aggervation. I am sorry you guys lost fun time, holiday season can be stressfull for most people and logging in should prove to be a break from that stress. It is a game we are here to have fun.
Gabby Girl (Dec 11, 2010 11:58:05 PM)
As for you seeker
Seeker of Balance (Dec 11, 2010 11:58:05 PM)
*Nod* I hope Yama feels a bit better in the morning and more receptive toward alternative pack totems.
Gabby Girl (Dec 11, 2010 11:59:09 PM)
I am sorry about the mix up in the fang pure breed thing last night. I seriously had interpertated the rules wrong on the pure breed, and I thank you for being mature enough to add that pure breed to your back ground for the justification of it.