Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:01:51 AM)
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Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:02:14 AM)
Just made a new room so we can get the logs for Ghostlin or who ever else is involved.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:02:21 AM)
*nods*
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:02:54 AM)
I have a partial screenshot of a conversation she had with me this morning too. she started on one character and logged before I could screenshot that
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:03:06 AM)
ahh
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:03:10 AM)
she initiated a pm from Mosi or whatever this morning
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:03:18 AM)
well email that to zhaedst@gmail.com
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:04:04 AM)
Let's pretend I don't have a clue what is going on with this. What caused this all to happen.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:04:33 AM)
because I don't know who's all involved or why there's even a problem.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:05:19 AM)
Just trying to get everyones story so I can figure out what is going on.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:05:40 AM)
Okay I will try but honestly I am losing it myself on trying to figure out what her issue is with me. Othen then her player really and truely believes that she hasn't done anything wrong but changes what she says pretty fast.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:06:59 AM)
Okay let me give you a little who's who on things. Kaia and Mark are dating, but are keeping it quiet because they don't think it's anyone elses business. The series of events goes like this.. please give me time to type as I am not very quick at this.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:07:16 AM)
that's fine
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:09:28 AM)
Wilhelms challenge finishes and Mark is sitting on the porch with Kaia, Keening sorrow begins to question mark about why he unloaded on the Shadowlord Ahroun for his Fostern Challenge... Mark gets mad at KS because he things he's questioning his right do to so. Mark gets up and walks off to calm down and take a breather... this was during the Full Moon. When mark gets up and walks of KS jumps down off the railing on the porch moves over sits next to Kaia and puts his arm around her. Mark turns around see's this and Frenzies but puts it in check with a Spent WP and walks off Lukas tells KS get away now.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:09:37 AM)
That's background on the next part.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:12:14 AM)
Mark and Bastian are friends and he tells Bastian about what happened and why it happened. Bastian figures hey Eyes is KSs tribesmate, maybe she can tell him hey you might want to back off Kaia. Eyes ask what's Marks relastionship with Kaia (Mark wasn't in the pack at the time) Bastian says I don't know as far as I know Kaia isn't really giving anyone the time of day. (He told Eyes this IC because he didn't feel it was anyone's business that mark and kaia were dating.)
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:12:47 AM)
ok quick question, who's the alpha of the pack
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:12:55 AM)
Eyes then went to Lukas Kaia's guardian and asked about Kaia's intentions towards mark. Lukas tells her it's none of your business and if you want to know then go to Mark.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:13:04 AM)
Bastian is alpha of the pack, Apollo is currently Beta
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:14:17 AM)
So next day, Keening comes into the middle of the Sept says hey you might want to talk to your sister, we ask him why and he says well came to me asking about MArk and Kaia and said "She thinks Kaia is leading Mark on"
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:14:30 AM)
That was in the main room and I belive the logs were pulled already for that.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:15:08 AM)
I had joined tthe pack like 1 day prior to KS delivering this message
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:15:37 AM)
I didn't see Eyes or Bastian on for a bit so I sent a Forum post saying hey we need to talk there seems to be some issue between us.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:15:52 AM)
IC
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:16:29 AM)
I talk to Bastian IC about it he's like man I was trying to keep your personal life secret but still ask that Eyes talk to her tribesman about backing off Kaia since she's Fenrir kin
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:17:11 AM)
Like a day passes, Mark is at the Sept and eyes shows up, his first oppertunity since this whole issue started for him to talk to her about it.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:17:27 AM)
I used PM's to ~pl~ because we were in a public room.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:17:53 AM)
and I didn't want people using information they saw there in IC when they couldn't... ie Mark and Kaia officially dating.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:18:56 AM)
Mark is an Ahroun right?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:19:00 AM)
let me back up... Mark, and Kaia went to Lukas and asked him if he talked to Eyes about them and he said yeah she came asking questions about them and he said if you want to know then go and ask them
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:19:02 AM)
Yes
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:19:11 AM)
with calm heart merit
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:19:15 AM)
you want the best suggestion at this point?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:19:17 AM)
so it's a little harder to rage
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:19:31 AM)
to simplify this thing?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:20:33 AM)
Dude I have tried to simpify things, I have IC challenged Eyes concerning statements she Made IC about how she has a right to say whom and whom he cannot date/mate.. and that she took a warform against a packmate to settle a matter of demanding respect
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:20:50 AM)
I get that really i do.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:20:56 AM)
a warform?
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:20:58 AM)
Crinos?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:21:00 AM)
Hispo
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:21:14 AM)
That's not really a war form.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:21:21 AM)
unless you are lupus
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:21:34 AM)
It deals agg in all forms of damage, it's one of two forms you can choose to go if you frenzy
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:22:03 AM)
hell Lupus deals agg.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:22:10 AM)
Also it's the form taken by some in combat instead of crinos due to the decreased difficulty to bites
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:22:22 AM)
true, Mark stayed Homid
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:22:30 AM)
was this a challenge?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:22:41 AM)
Here is how that came about
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:22:50 AM)
Mark said if you want respect then you can come and take it.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:23:57 AM)
She was demanding that he should respect her and trust what she said over someone else because she was pack... problem with that was Mark had not had ANY interaction with Eyes other then his totem quest where she translated, prior to this point. HELL the moment she joined the Pack she left for Alask herself
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:24:16 AM)
He moved away from everyone on the porch and stood there in homid
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:24:22 AM)
well that was a tribal storyline.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:24:42 AM)
She walked down shifted Hispo on him and that was only Stopped because Bastian stepped in the middle of it
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:25:15 AM)
That was when she made the comment about how she had the right to say who he could choose as a mate
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:25:22 AM)
in public
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:25:44 AM)
now she's trying to say that's not what she said at all when everyone there seen it, the logs will prove it
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:25:57 AM)
So Mark challenged her on this point and taking Hispo on him
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:26:00 AM)
yeah and that's the problem....
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:26:09 AM)
we can't get all the logs for all this stuff.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:26:20 AM)
That was in the Main sept grounds room
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:27:39 AM)
On another Note, some of this is also that Mark asked Her if she Said Kaia was Leading him on, she said no, so mark said then your telling me what Keening Sorrow and Lukas said is a lie? She said yes they are both liars that was in PM's
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:27:44 AM)
through Packlink
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:27:54 AM)
during that whole portion of that conversation
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:28:22 AM)
easy answer.. if mark believes her... drag KS and Lukas to a judge.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:28:28 AM)
He doesn't
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:28:35 AM)
if mark doesn't believe her, drag her to a judge.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:29:08 AM)
Mark feels that one he's dating kaia yes, but Lukas is her guardian and was the offended party in her calling him a liar
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:29:17 AM)
he passed that information on to Lukas through Kaia
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:29:31 AM)
Honestly MY issue with her at this point isn't any of that.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:30:04 AM)
Its her demands on him that she has a right to approve anyone he decides to date or take as a mate. and that she took hispo against him to settle a matter of respect.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:30:34 AM)
And he challenged her infront of the Alpha of his pack
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:30:55 AM)
yeah
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:31:04 AM)
I was in for the last bit of that scene
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:31:16 AM)
She accepted, that is when you came in the other night because she wouldn't roll the Init every round, and yeah I was getting pretty pissed at that point becasue she kept saying you have an issue with me OOC
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:31:31 AM)
well my issue wasn't ooc really other then she was pissing me off LOL
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:31:46 AM)
I honestly couldn't care one way or the other about her OOC
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:32:28 AM)
She went to Scarrybunny and Gabby Girl about this and I asked hey if it concerns me can I be present
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:32:43 AM)
they asked each of us what our issue was I told them pretty much what I told you
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:33:12 AM)
they said yeah, you need to challenge her IC because she's wrong, she has no right to do any of that and she has no leg to stand on.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:33:14 AM)
So I did
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:33:15 AM)
IC
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:33:39 AM)
She is pissed I think because nobody is taking her side on the matter and thinks it's all because OOC we are against her.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:34:25 AM)
same thing happened with hans.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:34:26 AM)
I mean honestly dude if she would have asked instead of demanded we roll one init I probably woudn't have cared
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:34:46 AM)
My suggestion...
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:35:00 AM)
but I was tired of her OOC bullshit and demanding things so I refused to budge from the rules.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:35:10 AM)
listening
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:35:21 AM)
Mark is in a official pack that's part of Shared blood. Unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, make it a bold claim that you are seeing Kaia. If anyone has any complaints. They can take it to the Master of the Challenge.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:35:45 AM)
I would but there's a small problem with that at the moment.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:35:56 AM)
ok what's that?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:36:55 AM)
The character of Kaia is EXTREMELY commitment shy, bordering on phobic. It took her a Month to agree just that they were even dating, and said she wants to keep it private between them and their closest friends. If he publically makes such and announcement he loses her.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:37:43 AM)
Thier closest friends know and her guardian knows. Hell she had to Tell Keening Sorrow simply because he kept hounding her IC about dating her.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:38:15 AM)
It IS something they are working on IC but that takes time.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:39:16 AM)
That's like asking someone who's deftly afriad of snakes to climb down into a pit filled with deadly vipers voluntarily LOL
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:40:12 AM)
Even if he did make such an announcement that doesn't rectify teh matter of his Challenge to Eyes conecerning her demands of her getting to approve of his potential mates
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:42:33 AM)
yeah
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:44:03 AM)
But we can't settle that because she think's there is still some OOC issue between her and I, but like I said I really don't care one way or the other for her. I asked what perceived OOC issue she thinks is still there but she doesn't answer that. Scarrybunnie and Gabby Girl asked her that and she didn't have an answer for them other then she thinks there is an OOC issue there.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:44:47 AM)
And I told her OOC that she has said things that really don't fly in the WtA
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:45:54 AM)
Dude I agree the things she said don't fly, hell Bastian even tried to coach her out of it IC because he though maybe just the player didn't know the rules/differences.. SHE refused and said no
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:46:11 AM)
yeah
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:46:30 AM)
I told her that if she had demands of a pack mate she has 2 options.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:46:42 AM)
So that leaves us IC.. I justtified the delay by saying we had to Mediate on the matter
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:46:59 AM)
Either go to the alpha or beta, or go to the Master of the challenge.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:46:59 AM)
but I can't keep putting this off I want it resolved so I can move on with whatever happens with my character
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:48:17 AM)
Technically mark did that, he went to the Alpha of the pack to settle a matter between packmates. Bastian asked her if she accepted My challenge on those two issues, she said yes she then dictated terms of the challenge
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:48:26 AM)
which is her right as I was the one to issue the challenge
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:48:45 AM)
yep
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:49:04 AM)
Now two days later she messages me saying we have to put that off IC becase we still have OOC issues, and whatever those issues are I have no friggin clue
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:49:34 AM)
Well I had one issue
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:49:55 AM)
Yeah... unfortunately she's very new to the mechanics and setting
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:50:00 AM)
That was her trying to ditch out on a scene she caused because she didn't want to abide by the rules printed in the game
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:50:11 AM)
Man I offered her a lifeline
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:50:17 AM)
we all have.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:50:32 AM)
but she gets wrapped up into the drama of the game to much
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:50:39 AM)
I said hey maybe it's jsut a cultural thing and it could just be a difference of terms that you belive were one thing
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:50:45 AM)
and maybe I think is another
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:50:57 AM)
she was I AM not talking to you about this blah blah blah
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:51:00 AM)
she's used to NWoD mechanics, and the drama of Changeling.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:51:18 AM)
so I only had one recourse. Issue the IC challenge to the things she Said IC
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:51:32 AM)
and I only issued the challenge to the things she said in the public room
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:52:08 AM)
ok, well it's always best to freeze the scene once combat between players come into play
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:52:40 AM)
and i shouldn't have even logged in monday
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:52:41 AM)
Well theoritacally we did, we went our seperate ways to mediate and plan as is the Ban for the totem
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:52:46 AM)
lol
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:53:04 AM)
so the challenge is dropped then?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:53:07 AM)
no
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:53:22 AM)
who challenged who then?
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:53:31 AM)
Mark challenged Eyes?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:53:33 AM)
Mark challenged Her.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:53:36 AM)
Yes
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:53:36 AM)
ok
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:53:45 AM)
then call the Master of the challenge
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:53:51 AM)
that's the best course of action.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:54:06 AM)
ESPECIALLY on the bawn.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:54:07 AM)
Well isn't the Alpha of a Pack able to mediate a challenge between packmates?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:54:17 AM)
he didn't challenge her on the bawn
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:54:17 AM)
Normally yes.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:54:23 AM)
he challenged her at the packlands
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:54:27 AM)
the problem is the mechanics
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:54:50 AM)
with a ST on the scene... the players can't oppose the rulings as much.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:54:53 AM)
He went and thought about it a day, then asked the Alpha of the pack to be present and he officially challenged her
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:55:06 AM)
not to where it starts a 2 hour argument over initiative
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:55:25 AM)
Yeah I didn't think it would result in a arguement over inititative dude,
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:55:37 AM)
i honestly though hell this wont go past 1 maybe 2 rounds
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:56:09 AM)
Her Terms for the Challenge are this. Glabro, no gifts.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:56:11 AM)
that's it
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:56:19 AM)
oh and fight till one is down or submits
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:56:48 AM)
Bastian asked her for clarification 3 times to ensure she placed all the restrictions she wanted on the combat
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:56:56 AM)
She repeated 3 times no that is it.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:11 AM)
and she shifted to Hispo then?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:14 AM)
no no
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:15 AM)
during the challenge?
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:17 AM)
Oh ok
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:18 AM)
that was on the bawn
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:22 AM)
yeah.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:23 AM)
2 days prior
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:25 AM)
i get that.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:34 AM)
see that's the problem with having no logs
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:45 AM)
and then init complaints in the challenge
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:48 AM)
For his official challenge at the packlands she shifted Glabro
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:57:49 AM)
Yes
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:58:05 AM)
and what was the challenge officially?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:58:24 AM)
Initially she choose Lupus, but bastian OOC explained to her that lupus do Agg damage if your breed forms are Homid
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:58:30 AM)
she changed it then to Glabro
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 11:58:47 AM)
Let me see if i have the SS
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:58:48 AM)
No i mean what was the actual challenge Mark demanded
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 11:59:00 AM)
I mean what was the reasoning for the challenge
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:01:15 PM)
1. She made demands of a packmate that it is her right to approve or disapprove of any potential mate. 2. That she did willingly and knowingly take Hispo agaisnt a Packmate to settle the matter of demanding respect from that packmate.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:02:02 PM)
yeah
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:02:13 PM)
That is ALL his challenge concerns
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:02:21 PM)
well yes Bastian can sort that out as a mediator.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:02:35 PM)
but it's the mechanics why we need an Staff member on scene.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:02:54 PM)
Which he was. He told both parties. When I say it's over it's over.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:03:09 PM)
He then shifted to Crinos to ensure he could subdue either party
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:03:24 PM)
so that challenge is taken care of?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:03:27 PM)
no
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:03:34 PM)
she refuses to do the scene
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:03:48 PM)
and why's that?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:03:56 PM)
thus that is where the screenshot I sent you comes in
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:04:19 PM)
She thinks there is some other OOC issue between us and I have no friggiin clue what she's talking about I havn't talked to her since that day until this morning
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:04:51 PM)
If she refuses to do the scene... then she forfeits the challenge.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:05:02 PM)
Dude I tried to say that the other day
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:05:09 PM)
and?
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:05:10 PM)
she kept saying no i dont forfit
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:05:22 PM)
she either accepts the challenge of submits.
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:05:38 PM)
Well then an ST is going to have to tell ehr that because she isn't listening to anyone else.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:05:59 PM)
I think she was waiting for a ST to moderate
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:06:03 PM)
Hell we can knock it out this morning for all i care
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:06:48 PM)
she's fine with that as well
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:07:15 PM)
then i just need 5 minutes to close a program
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:07:27 PM)
I'll make a new room actually
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:07:39 PM)
k
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Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:08:27 PM)
((ok moderating the challenge here.. Count it as IC and since Bastian isn't here. The Master of the Challenge will be in charge.))
Mark Renner (Dec 1, 2010 12:09:01 PM)
Bstian is online
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:09:21 PM)
ok we'll take another room then.
Zhaed (Dec 1, 2010 12:09:38 PM)
Room = challenge circle.
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