Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:50:36 PM)
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Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:50:39 PM)
there

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:50:41 PM)
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LilBoomkin OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:50:43 PM)
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Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 8:50:48 PM)
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acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:50:50 PM)
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Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:51:14 PM)
*waits for more*

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:51:29 PM)
My opinion is on the Forums. Not to meantions, as I've said not long ago. IT would be pointless, cause more stress on an already over worked Staff and Divide people. Strength to defeat the Wyrm and other Ickies will only come through Unity and that wont happen with two Septs. There's nothing you Can't already do in the current Sept that would be benfitted by a Second Sept

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:52:19 PM)
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ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:52:23 PM)
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ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:53:00 PM)
thrust it into submission

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:53:33 PM)
The idea of the 2nd sept was to offer a different flavor that takes a more serious approach to a 'traditional' garou sept where authority is placed rather than the liberal stance that shared blood.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:54:13 PM)
It's not necessarily 'urban vs rural'

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:54:15 PM)
I actually really like that idea, in theory, but I'm worried about the storytellers getting overworked.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:54:41 PM)
Well, to be honest.. we haven't been overworked at all..

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 8:54:54 PM)
To be blunt? We don't have enough players on SI to support multiple sub-venues

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:54:56 PM)
Ok, I can understand that. But surely that's something that can be dicused between the ST's? Having NPC's that are more "Traditional". It would add a little Spice to the Sept...

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 8:54:58 PM)
Period.

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:55:11 PM)
And Are you sure your not over worked?

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:55:32 PM)
Because I've had Scene requests in for well over a Month for my Kinfolk, and they've not even been looked at

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:55:38 PM)
yeah

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:55:58 PM)
I know that Evangline has also had the same problem

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:56:14 PM)
And who know's who else

ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:56:15 PM)
I personally belive that, we do have enough people with every one making 3 characters into the WtA venue as has been seen

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:56:51 PM)
the problem comes about with conflict of interest

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:57:00 PM)
we allow 2 kin and 1 garou here.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:57:06 PM)
or 1 kin and 2 garou here

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:57:13 PM)
now if you decide to play garou..

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:57:18 PM)
and a second garou

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:57:33 PM)
how can you interact with others without causing problems

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:57:38 PM)
*Nods* I know that. But out of the what, 5 ST's, only one has a "Conflict of interest" with one of my Kin, and none of them with the other

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:57:51 PM)
right,

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:58:51 PM)
it's no secret that the WtA STs seem to haven't been doing a lot lately.

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:58:57 PM)
I'm not trying to sound like a bitch Zhaed, I want you to understand that. I have a lot of respect for you and the other ST's, I'm just trying to put across that this idea maybe far to difficult at this time

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 8:59:00 PM)
The conflict of interest thing is a really good point. I really hate it when I play two different characters in the same area and they can't even talk to each other. Seems more realistic if there's a wider spread of characters.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:59:28 PM)
we have nearly 200 sanctioned characters in the wta game here

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:59:36 PM)
no not everyone is active.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 8:59:53 PM)
some haven't even logged on more than once.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:00:15 PM)
Then why try to stretch the community even thinner?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:00:30 PM)
but one of the biggest issues we have heard apart from the regular "We need more ST interaction" was "This isn't the setting for me"

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:01:03 PM)
New Orleans isn't the Setting for them?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:01:11 PM)
Oh it is.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:01:28 PM)
New Orleans will be the home to two septs.

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:01:50 PM)
Oh... It will? so it's not even up for voting anymore?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:02:09 PM)
it's a huge metro area honestly.

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:02:23 PM)
But you just said it -WILL- be

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:02:36 PM)
you missed the questions

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:02:38 PM)
This is a topic that is up for discussion, or so I thought

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:02:44 PM)
yeah

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:02:46 PM)
it is

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:02:56 PM)
No. You clearly just said it -Will- be home to two Septs

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:03:07 PM)
Listen for a second and don't twist my words.

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:03:09 PM)
I think it was figurative Shadow

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:03:19 PM)
if it goes through NO would house 2 septs

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:04:16 PM)
-IF- a second sept does go into play. it -Will- be in New Orleans so that characters from Sept A can still play with characters from Sept B.

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:04:56 PM)
Would the new sept be Player organized? or would NPCs manifest to form it

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:05:08 PM)
mostly completely player organized

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:05:17 PM)
By which Characters?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:05:28 PM)
who ever wants it really

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:05:52 PM)
Ghostlin said the only NPC at the new sept will be the grand elder.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:06:05 PM)
every other office will be held by a player

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:06:06 PM)
I can understand that

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:06:28 PM)
and it gives the players a chance to take the political side of WtA into effect.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:06:49 PM)
Rather than the usual "RAWR SMASH" sorta thing

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:06:51 PM)
It's... already in effect?

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:07:01 PM)
But my questions can wait. :)

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:07:08 PM)
Y'all go on ahead, please

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:08:06 PM)
I...actually like that idea, and I've seen it work well in groups smaller than this. Granted, it wasn't WtA, but still.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:09:33 PM)
afk for about 5 minutes for a smoke break

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:09:38 PM)
technically per cannon septs usually are pretty small to begin with R1 Caerns being 10-20 garou at most. so I could see the functionality. It may also bring more urban pcs intot he game.

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:09:54 PM)
Well.... See that's already in effect in the current Sept.... But sadly there aren't ST's around to perform Challenges for Rank/Positions

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:10:00 PM)
Mind you...

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:10:10 PM)
this isn't a ST ran project.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:10:21 PM)
The STs are having nothing to do with it.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:11:03 PM)
It's no suprize that the shadowlords are building their own sept.

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:11:22 PM)
*Nods* This is something I have discussed with someone in this very room before hand. I belive it was going to be set up by their PC

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:11:52 PM)
But the STs told them they will only run the scenes. If they want it done, it's the PCs doing the work Not the NPCs

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:12:33 PM)
The only reason for that poll was to see who would be interested in a venue that offered a 2nd sept.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:12:52 PM)
or if the current community prefers a single sept.

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:13:19 PM)
It will simple Divide the few Active players we have, creating two much weaker Septs instead of one Stronger one

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:13:42 PM)
*returns*

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:13:50 PM)
wb Hans

ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:14:08 PM)
Shadow click the show uses in all rooms button

ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:14:15 PM)
how many WtA players do we have on?

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:14:42 PM)
Well, if the characters are wanting to start another sept...then that's their deal, isn't it? They'd already be divided.

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:15:21 PM)
A grand total of 20.... Perhaps it's the time that's making me unable to understand your point Ambi....

ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:15:34 PM)
20*3 = 60

ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:15:43 PM)
60 characters in one venue

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:15:51 PM)
Do they all have 3 PCs?

ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:15:56 PM)
Probbaly not

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:16:01 PM)
not likely..

ShadowsintheNight OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:16:05 PM)
I know Hans Doesn;t. I don't. Darya doesn't

ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:16:09 PM)
so its any where between 20 - 60 players

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:16:11 PM)
This brings up a good point, however.

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:16:47 PM)
To be honest, I'll probably only ever have two at one time.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:17:07 PM)
20 characters are logged in, and log in consistently for one primary reason; entertainment.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:18:16 PM)
Now let's make Entertainment the topic here, because that's pretty much what this is all boiling down to; how best to keep the venue entertained.

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:18:51 PM)
By cannon, A low end sept Rank3 and under (which is what the new one would be) Has about 10-25 garou that s on page 109 Players guide to Garou

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:18:51 PM)
There's two types. Freeform Character -> Character interaction, and moderated Character -> Storyteller(Scenes, SLs, etc.) interaction.

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:19:19 PM)
The numbers are usually fudged due to the chat naute

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:19:23 PM)
nature*

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:19:24 PM)
Right now, character to character interaction is the standard, as noted by half of these 20 garou players sitting in one room right now

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:19:35 PM)
right

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:19:59 PM)
And it works. Totally works, and it's a standard that has been proven by countless other chats before this one. :)

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:20:40 PM)
People love their freeform, and people love being part of something important

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:21:08 PM)
That's where the Character -> ST interaction comes in. The scenes, the storylines, the metaplots, and the like.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:21:14 PM)
right

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:22:01 PM)
As it stands, though a handful of players on the chat are a little disillusioned by the productivity of the staff, the majority are fairly content with the frequency of scenes being thrown their way.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:22:41 PM)
In laymen's terms, we have a fairly okay (maybe a tiny bit flawed) system of entertaining the venue; be it through the blues or through each other as players.

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:22:44 PM)
I have a scene for my pack comin up on wednesday

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:22:53 PM)
I have no complaints about the staff

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:23:04 PM)
Exactly. I have no complaints at all. I think they're all doing great

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:23:31 PM)
My point, through all this little monologue of mine is simple; why change what works?

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:23:44 PM)
Why put that dynamic in danger of complication through micromanagement?

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:24:45 PM)
I confess, I've seen this attempted on another successful chat with an insanely skilled moderation team. It was not a success.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:25:01 PM)
There's a reason you don't seen sub-venued caerns in werewolf venues across the digichats anymore.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:25:32 PM)
It literally opens up an entire can of accusations and complaints; things this chat cannot afford to have so early in its infancy.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:25:45 PM)
As for the 2nd sept thing mind you.. I posted that as a player.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:25:57 PM)
It's no suprize I play one of the shadowlords.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:26:13 PM)
We here in the room understand that, man. We're totally cool with that point of view

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:26:14 PM)
How so? Where would the accusations come from?

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:26:42 PM)
However, it was posted under your official staff name with no disclaimer that you were offering the idea as Zhaed; the player.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:26:50 PM)
yeah

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:26:58 PM)
Thankfully Ghostlin cleared that up.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:27:12 PM)
He chewed my hiney for it.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:27:14 PM)
Yeah, thank god for Ghost. :)

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:27:18 PM)
I know.

ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:27:56 PM)
we like chewing hiney's

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:27:58 PM)
But rest assured I just wanted to clear it up that it's COMPLETELY a player driven event.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:28:05 PM)
To answer your question acridica, there'd be claims of favoritism, elitism, accusations of neglecting one venue to focus on the other, and things of that nature

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:28:31 PM)
The famous, "Well, all the focus is on X sub-venue and now Z sub-venue is barely getting any attention!" syndrome.

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:28:55 PM)
Ah. Well, if it's player driven...then really I think it'd be wrong to NOT let some Garou defact and make their own sept.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:29:04 PM)
yeah.

ambientinspiration OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:29:10 PM)
afk food

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:29:23 PM)
But as Shadows pointed out, it would stretch the attention spans and efforts of the blues themselves

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:29:23 PM)
I just wanted to see the community's view on the effect of their venue.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:29:50 PM)
The thing is, there will be only one NPC officially at that sept.

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:29:52 PM)
I support any player driven change. For good or bad, its a risk worth taking.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:30:15 PM)
I even tried to suggest Ghostlin to get rid of that one

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:30:23 PM)
But this brings up questions of the Storylines

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:30:38 PM)
Same here. If they, for some reason, don't get as much attention...I know this sounds bad, but they should be aware that it might result in less ST attention, if it indeed would.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:30:52 PM)
How would they be handled? How would the staff cater to the needs of two independant factions (who could potentially war with each other)?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:31:07 PM)
We'll that's the thing

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:31:10 PM)
as it stands.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:31:11 PM)
Would Sept-A have their SL, and Sept-B have their SL, only to cross paths under a metaplot?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:31:20 PM)
the Lords CANT do it on their own.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:31:27 PM)
They don't have the man power

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:31:34 PM)
No single tribe does.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:31:40 PM)
and they WILL have to go to Shared Blood for help

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:32:11 PM)
Well, granted this is from a Fang point of view

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:32:33 PM)
But should the Lords ask for assistance from another sept, then the Fang tribe would see that as weakness, and they would try to take it

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:32:48 PM)
which is fine

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:32:59 PM)
It's not a lord exclusive sept

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:33:09 PM)
Thats one of the things that was told.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:33:10 PM)
But this is a dynamic that could be solved at a pack level.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:33:26 PM)
Why not just organize packs, and vy for territory that way?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:33:26 PM)
If we open a 2nd sept we can't bar others from playing there.

Wolfsong OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:33:29 PM)
Unless its not just lord driven. Depending on where its at. They could enlist Garou of other tribes with a drive for more traditional actions.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:33:53 PM)
It's currently just lord driven.. but sooner or later they will have to get help.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:33:56 PM)
right now..

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:06 PM)
the lords haven't really done anything but talk about it.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:09 PM)
See, and that presents another Lord/Fang issue.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:13 PM)
yeah

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:16 PM)
of course

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:23 PM)
New Orleans is directly in the heart of Gleaming Eye territory

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:38 PM)
and House WyrmFoe is just west of that, in Texas and Oklahoma

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:43 PM)
It's a political game however

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:52 PM)
If the fangs want to take it over.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:54 PM)
They can

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:34:58 PM)
it's player driven

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:35:02 PM)
But they won't. Not unless ordered to.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:35:06 PM)
That's the point. ;)

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:35:19 PM)
then drive that point in.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:35:42 PM)
If Hans for instance doesn't like something and he doesn't have the authority to make such a claim.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:35:57 PM)
then he's welcome to find the authority to do such

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:35:58 PM)
The point is, that there are a handful of players in the venue (myself included but not solely included) that is trying to make this a political-based venue.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:36:12 PM)
We don't need a 2nd sept to establish that.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:36:15 PM)
I totally agree

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:36:26 PM)
All the materials to do this very thing is all isolated within Shared Blood.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:36:36 PM)
but however..

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:36:52 PM)
due to the setting, thats not an option for others

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:37:03 PM)
Explain.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:37:09 PM)
and that's comming from a players point a view

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:37:20 PM)
The shadowlords for instance.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:37:35 PM)
Given their position and the history of Shared blood.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:37:55 PM)
they have felt that political maneuvering isn't an option for them

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:38:15 PM)
Oh but it is man

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:38:26 PM)
So rather than maneuver they simply take their toys elsewhere and play

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:38:28 PM)
The same could be said about the Uktena, or the Fangs, or the Get

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:38:33 PM)
of course

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:38:38 PM)
All four tribes are very well represented in that sept

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:38:46 PM)
as is Fianna, and the Unicorn tribe

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:38:59 PM)
True, but the Shadowlords might not see it that way.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:39:02 PM)
There is potential for strife there. What is lacking, however, is that organization.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:39:22 PM)
Now, I know that the Fianna, the Uktena, and the Fangs are organizing through efforts of key players

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:39:45 PM)
Whether they all see eye-to-eye and stay on friendly terms is a totally different matter altogether

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:39:45 PM)
right, and the lords are planning to take their toys to a new sandbox.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:40:22 PM)
They've seen the things at Shared blood that they don't like.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:40:27 PM)
No offense man, but that sounds like an easy out

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:40:36 PM)
oh of course.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:40:46 PM)
That'd be like Hans and five other Fangs leaving the bawn to create their own cearn

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:41:13 PM)
kinda exactly what it is really

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 9:41:17 PM)
If it's an easy out, then that's a problem with the characters wanting to take an easy out, unless there's issues oocly that I don't know about. Characters can be immature. :)

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:41:28 PM)
Caerns, which by the way, are becoming more and more sparce and are disappearing more and more as the end times come closer

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:41:55 PM)
Which is the next issue. The caern itself.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:42:33 PM)
When I ran Mage, I denied the player access to a node, because of one simple rule. Caerns/Nodes are very, very rare; especially in the U.S.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:43:02 PM)
but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:43:10 PM)
Even New York City (see Rage Across New York) only makes mention of a second caern corrupted by a ThunderWyrm

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:43:22 PM)
a caern that the first sept could not liberate.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:43:25 PM)
I never said the lords are going to walk right in and drop a caern right where they want.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:43:44 PM)
No sane ST would let that happen.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:44:05 PM)
I wouldn't be playing here and going along with this myself if it were that easy

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:44:15 PM)
Not to sound contradictory, but how you've explained it thus far makes it sound like it would be that easy for the Lords.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:44:23 PM)
oh no

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:45:01 PM)
Sorry if i made it sound that way.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:45:07 PM)
It's quite the opposite.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:45:25 PM)
It's all good man. I'm just callin them like I see 'em. *grin*

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:45:36 PM)
But this all goes back to the whole moderated attention thing

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:45:42 PM)
Ghostlin told us we had to bust our ass if we wanted to see this happen in our characters life span

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:45:43 PM)
This is a very daring undertaking.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:45:48 PM)
yeah

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:46:00 PM)
This is something that would require a LOT of attention from an ST other than yourself (for obvious reasons)

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:46:16 PM)
It's the general theme which the STs are taking in this WtA game over other chats.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:46:26 PM)
We are open for experimentation

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:46:36 PM)
which is why there's kin with numina and gnosis.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:46:47 PM)
and a lot of other weird concepts.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:46:50 PM)
So while Saphirra, or Ghostlin, or Jayded are devoted to running this tribal metaplot, the original sept will suffer

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:47:02 PM)
not really.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:47:12 PM)
and scene requests will get forgotten, and the players would be more reliant on freeforming

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:47:18 PM)
yeah

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:47:23 PM)
I understand that completely

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:47:45 PM)
So you see the conundrum in this.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:47:48 PM)
yep

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:47:52 PM)
completely

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:48:12 PM)
Either try something new and have it become amazing or a disaster. Or focus on what's already established and have it grow in popularity and intrigue

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:48:38 PM)
But is this opposed to the the ST doing something else for the lords otherwise have they not decided on building their own place

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:48:43 PM)
If it was me, I'd go for just letting things be. This chat's still only just shy of 5 months old. It's still too new for this daring of an undertaking.

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Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:49:08 PM)
It's a high-reward possibility, yeah. But it's a very very high risk

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:49:11 PM)
Again.. it's not something that's happening any time soon.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:49:20 PM)
*thinks*

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:49:24 PM)
it's like this hans.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:49:31 PM)
The reason I asked was thing

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Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:49:39 PM)
If the community doesn't want it.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:49:48 PM)
then the lords won't chase it.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:50:12 PM)
No point in wasted ST time if we aren't going to go anywhere with it.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:50:33 PM)
For the same reason you mentioned

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Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:50:51 PM)
does that make sence?

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:50:55 PM)
It does make sense

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:51:06 PM)
and thats why I made that poll

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:51:08 PM)
But in that respect, shouldn't that thread have been posted in Werewolf IC?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:51:18 PM)
why?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:51:24 PM)
it's an OOC question

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:51:27 PM)
the OOC discussion is typically reserved for changes in venue and the like

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:51:29 PM)
from an OOC name

-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 9:51:34 PM)
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Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:51:52 PM)
I wanted to see what the community, not the characters thought on it.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:52:12 PM)
I... still gotta vote no on it man. I'm sorry.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:52:13 PM)
Rather than leaving the decision to a small hand full when we all play in the same venue

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:52:17 PM)
Thats fine

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:52:27 PM)
and you have a right to your own opinion.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:52:28 PM)
I'd rather see Shared Blood see improved before an attempt is even made to open a sub-venue

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:52:37 PM)
see Shared Blood BE improved, rather

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:52:42 PM)
yEAH

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:52:49 PM)
as a ST, I can't agree more

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:53:42 PM)
and isn't that what would really take priority here?

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:53:56 PM)
The better of the chat, rather than the entertainment of a minority of the userbase?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:55:18 PM)
The priority of RPing is fun man

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:55:26 PM)
thats why we do this hobby

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:55:47 PM)
Oh I know

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:55:49 PM)
Some times I have fun STing and sometimes it's mentally draining.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:56:05 PM)
Believe me man, I've had my share of Blues-Stress-Syndrome

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:56:09 PM)
Sometimes I have fun on a PC and sometimgs I don't.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:56:16 PM)
But it comes down to the fun

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:56:35 PM)
Am I saying my priorities of my STness is over that of my PCness.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:56:36 PM)
No

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:56:44 PM)
Yet... it should be man

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:56:46 PM)
and im not going to lie about that.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:56:58 PM)
They are both really equal

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:57:24 PM)
but it's really on a different level for each one

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:57:32 PM)
I ST because i enjoy it

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:57:49 PM)
I have a PC because I enjoy it.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:58:14 PM)
*Shrugs* I know not to neglect ST duties.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:58:30 PM)
But that doesn't mean my character isn't a high priority

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:58:52 PM)
I mean it's like eating and sleeping.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:02 PM)
I couldn't choose which is more important

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:04 PM)
See, that's been an unspoken rule with me. I do not play where I moderate.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:08 PM)
because I need two

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:15 PM)
err both

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:18 PM)
yeah..

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:19 PM)
It's why I don't have a Mage here

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:25 PM)
And why I still don't have a mage here

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:26 PM)
I tried that else where.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:34 PM)
and I had to step down.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 9:59:44 PM)
mostly because it was all work and no play.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:00:00 PM)
If I wanted to play, I played in another venue or on another chat

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:00:13 PM)
yeah

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:00:15 PM)
I know

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:00:19 PM)
To be really blunt about it, when I wanted to write; spheres and rotes and paradox were the last thing on my mind. ;)

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:00:43 PM)
But that's personal preference, naturally

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:00:54 PM)
I really only dig WtA and Call of Cthulhu.. and i can never find a CoC game

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:01:05 PM)
Point is, when I get hired on blues, that chat's success gets my priority

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:01:14 PM)
of course

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:01:16 PM)
As you may recall, I attempted something daring on this chat in its infancy

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:01:25 PM)
yeah

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:01:26 PM)
It wound up being obliterated by opinion

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:01:32 PM)
and it didn't work out.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:01:33 PM)
and started several flamewars

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:01:50 PM)
...I would not like to see that happen in an already well-established venue

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:02:05 PM)
thats why Im offering the players a chance to voice their opinion before we go and take on something daring

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:02:08 PM)
And once the "Heralds of Woe" so to speak catch wind of it, they will blow it to pieces.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:02:18 PM)
Because that's what they do.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:02:22 PM)
yep

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:02:24 PM)
That's their self-appointed job

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:02:24 PM)
don't I know it

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 10:02:31 PM)
Oh yeah. :| They do that.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:02:51 PM)
I mean, what you're doing is honorable. I love how you're going about it

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:02:57 PM)
You're taking the right steps for sure

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:03:18 PM)
yeah

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:03:25 PM)
But.... I'm still looking at this through some really jaded eyes, and being the devil's advokate in a manner of speaking

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:03:40 PM)
I don't want to do anything to ruin the choice of the community.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:03:58 PM)
there's enough flame wars and such on the soapbox to do that.

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:04:20 PM)
The soapbox doesn't dictate this game, or its staff

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:04:23 PM)
*grin*

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:04:27 PM)
of coruse not

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:04:33 PM)
But their opinions do resonate with the playerbase

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:04:42 PM)
yep

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:04:45 PM)
Hence my subtle pleading to sorta let things be for now

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:04:53 PM)
thats why that option was offered here.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:05:02 PM)
If you don't like it, then say you dont

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:05:13 PM)
Let us get a little more weight on the island, so to speak, before that tsunami of apathy from the soapbox crashes against the coast

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:05:14 PM)
or vote on it anominously

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:05:41 PM)
and all my alliterations and analogies are done. It's 10:00p.m. and my mind's baked

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:05:51 PM)
Ya know my stance now. *nod*

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 10:05:58 PM)
Hey, to lighten things up, I found you guys because of the soapbox. Some people know how to pick through the drama to find the good oppinions. :3

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:06:08 PM)
yeah

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:06:28 PM)
acidrica: Yeah, this is a really good chat beyond a shadow of a doubt

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:06:36 PM)
yeah

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:06:38 PM)
But there's a LOT of interest conflicts being thrown around there

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:06:47 PM)
Which we won't get into in public

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:06:49 PM)
*grin*

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 10:06:54 PM)
Aye, I really like the atmosphere. :)

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:06:59 PM)
yeah

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:07:28 PM)
apart from a very few players, I seen nothing but happy faces and friendly smiles

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:07:35 PM)
then you go IC

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:07:41 PM)
BWAHAHA!

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:08:21 PM)
Same here. I'm the craziest, most fun loving nerd on this chat until I go IC

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:08:23 PM)
and I do love the freedom the STs in WtA are offering.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:08:27 PM)
later Hans

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:08:37 PM)
Then it's "RAGE RAGE, GET ZE FOOK AVAY FROM ME!" for an hour

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:08:59 PM)
I mean the first thing I asked Ghostlin when I came here was "Can I play a two headed metis?"

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 10:09:22 PM)
....that's amazing. I...kind of...want to see that. o_o

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:09:26 PM)
he said no, but allowed me the option of having a conjoined twin Metis.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:09:45 PM)
which was freekin awesome

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 10:09:50 PM)
Maybe have one of the heads be atrophied and useless? 8D

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:09:53 PM)
That reminds me. I need to talk to him about totem merits

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 10:10:02 PM)
Like a freaky looking tumor?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:10:05 PM)
maybe

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:10:15 PM)
dead fetus hanging off his hip.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:10:33 PM)
that would be so baller

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 10:10:35 PM)
I'm surprised there aren't more metis around. I LOVE metis.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:10:48 PM)
I turned down that idea

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:10:57 PM)
it's been an ongoing joke for me though

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:11:05 PM)
ahhite guys, I'm out

Hans Lange (Oct 5, 2010 10:11:11 PM)
Gonna lurk in OOC until my eyes droop

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:11:13 PM)
always ask to play two-headedness.

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Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:11:27 PM)
so you can always RP with yourself.

-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 10:11:31 PM)
So, -if- this were done, would the second sept be a sub-venue, or would it just be a second sept within the existing venue?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:12:00 PM)
second sept within the existing venue

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:12:05 PM)
but

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:12:12 PM)
completely player controlled

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:12:41 PM)
Infact Ghostlin told us that the PCs had to take up the curtan of the elders

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:12:57 PM)
so expect a lot of lower ranked elders.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:13:40 PM)
Adren or -MAYBE- (notice a big maybe) Athro elder types

-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 10:13:59 PM)
ah. I'd be against that. A lot of players don't really get the "this is my life" responsibility stuff. It devolves into politics and backbiting without some kind of elder oversight. It might be better to hold off on the idea until some of the existing PCs have the power (and thus earned understanding of that power) to offshoot and create a new sept.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:14:09 PM)
no of course not.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:14:18 PM)
but thats why it's optional.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:15:08 PM)
Players that want to get involved in the responsibility can feel free to do join that style of play.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:15:55 PM)
those that want the NPCs to take on the role of leadership, still have that option at shared blood.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:16:08 PM)
But remember, it's completely player driven

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:16:22 PM)
and very likely to fail

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:17:11 PM)
gah

-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 10:17:20 PM)
Evie's more of a city garou type, raised in that environment. So the next question would be, since her pack and territory is in New Orleans, what happens if the new sept is in the city and she doesn't want to be part of it for OOC reasons? Evie's nearly an Arden now, but me-the-player, I don't want to deal with that stuff :) I'd not want to dread loging in to face some underhanded jerk hellbent on power and personal agendas.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:17:37 PM)
thats the thing..

acidrica OOC (Oct 5, 2010 10:17:49 PM)
I'd guess that if she didn't want to change septs, she wouldn't have to.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:18:00 PM)
the two septs are kinda like twin septs. They aren't opposed to each other..

-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 10:18:16 PM)
yeah but my point is if my territory is in the area of the new sept, can I still be part of the old sept or will that cause territory issues?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:18:36 PM)
and it's not like you have to be a member of one for reason X or a member of the other for Reason Y

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:18:51 PM)
Players are allowed to choose what they want to do

-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 10:18:59 PM)
not to mention those same lawless agressors that I'm trying to avoid may still mess with my territory. anyway, just my two cents.

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:19:06 PM)
crap...

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:19:14 PM)
I have to take care of ST stuff

-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 10:19:21 PM)
okies. :)

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:19:25 PM)
apparently they are trying to kill Star now

-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 10:19:30 PM)
again?

Zhaed (Oct 5, 2010 10:19:33 PM)
yeah

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-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 10:19:37 PM)
*sigh*

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-Bloody Mary- Evie D'Arque (Oct 5, 2010 10:22:05 PM)
I guess I should go IC and see what's the hubbub. I may have to sedate star and put her on that slow boat to Madagascar after all.

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