Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:42:06 PM)
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Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:43:15 PM)
cool
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:43:48 PM)
Alright brother. You want to forge a sword and a suit of armor, right?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:44:45 PM)
yes
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:45:28 PM)
What kind of armor?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:46:01 PM)
is there a way to make armor that to the viewer doesnt look like armor
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:46:39 PM)
Yes, actually. You use 'Reinforced clothing' style armor as the base item you want to enhance, then increase it's durability and protection.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:47:00 PM)
ok.. so.. how do i go about that
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:47:06 PM)
Which is actually a good idea, as it starts with an armor rating of 1 and a 0 dex penalty.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:47:20 PM)
Which would you like to work on first? Your sword or your armor?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:48:03 PM)
dang umm.. hmm.. kind of a toss up
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:48:30 PM)
It doesn't matter, we'll do both of them today for you. So just pick one and we'll start doing the rolls and such.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:48:41 PM)
Also, I'll be requiring a bluebook once we're done here to make it official. Okay?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:49:13 PM)
sure
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:49:25 PM)
lets do the armor first that seems more complicated
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:50:14 PM)
Sure thing. First off, reinforced clothing is usually a heavy leather trench coat.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:51:02 PM)
alright
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:51:10 PM)
which you get in the store right
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:51:35 PM)
You have resources 2, which will handle it. However, to get a quality heavy leather trench it's quite expensive. So that'll be your use for 1 dot of your resources for the month. Is that good with you?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:52:00 PM)
can he check goodwill?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:52:30 PM)
You'll never find one of proper quality in a thrift store to enhance properly.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:53:04 PM)
so.. ok.. wow a whole dot of resources
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:53:26 PM)
Right. Accounting for inflation, your resources 2 brings in about 1800 bucks a month.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:53:58 PM)
( a trrench is 900 dollars? just asked.. never purchased one)
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:54:19 PM)
Assuming you want a very quality trench, it's gonna cost you several hundred dollars. Account for the other supplies needed in the enhancing process? 1 dot sounds fair to me.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:54:57 PM)
nods.. ok.. like i said never purchased one
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:55:01 PM)
ok whats next
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:55:20 PM)
That will make it of 'adequate' quality, by the way, as far as forge is concerned.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:55:47 PM)
As 'Good' quality, the next step up, is the equivalent of Armani suits.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:55:59 PM)
wow.. ok
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:56:01 PM)
If you'd like to look along with me as we go through this, I'm on page 151 of the players guide.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:56:58 PM)
i have core, houses of thefallen and city of angels.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 3:57:00 PM)
dont have players
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:57:39 PM)
-nods- Let me set you up with that real quick, cuz that's where all the advanced forge rules are and you'll wanna familiarize yourself with them eventually.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:58:17 PM)
Skype.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 3:59:22 PM)
And it states that the minimum background on the same chart for an "adequate" quality item is 2. So we're goin the right route here with your resources. (overlooked that part, but hey, we did it right anyways! lol )
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:00:08 PM)
good deal
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:01:59 PM)
test
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:02:03 PM)
jm
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:03:20 PM)
Sorry, internet reset
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:04:07 PM)
ok on pg 151
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:04:10 PM)
Alright, now, assuming you've bought all the supplies you need (which you'll be bluebooking for, right?) we'll now start on actually enhancing the item.,
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:05:05 PM)
Enhancing details start on page 142.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:05:15 PM)
Now, there's a house rule in place that will be altering the process just a tad.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:06:50 PM)
ok on 142
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:06:52 PM)
Normally, to make an enhanced item permanent it costs a temporary willpower. That works fine table top, but on chat when you earn a willpower back every day, it becomes too easy to overpower and you end up with a metric shit ton of enhanced items which wrecks game balance.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:07:24 PM)
So here, it'll cost a permanent willpower to make enhancement permanent. Thus it'll end up costing you XP ni the long run to buy that willpower back.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:07:33 PM)
It keeps enhanced items rare and special, which they should be.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:08:15 PM)
odd. i asked steev if wp needed to be used for forge 1-3 and he said rarely.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:08:15 PM)
Any questions?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:08:48 PM)
-shakes his head- I'm sorry you were misled. But I just discussed this with steev before coming in to help you out and he and I are in accord as to this is how it should be to maintain game balance.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:09:23 PM)
ok
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:10:27 PM)
Once again, sorry you were misled.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:11:51 PM)
ok.. hmm so like every lvl of enchancement to the jacker will be a wp spent?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:12:07 PM)
Now, you have master artisan. I assume you'll be blue booking your forging while in apocalyptic form? For the difficulty modifiation?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:12:31 PM)
you bet.. my BG even has that he made a forge to fit his apoc size.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:12:52 PM)
Awesome.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:13:11 PM)
And no, not quite. It'll cost 1 perm wp for each use of the lore on the jacket.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:13:26 PM)
meaning?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:13:28 PM)
Since you're just going into 1 use right now, to enhance it's protection value, it'll only be 1 willpower.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:13:53 PM)
but how much will it be enhanced by?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:14:01 PM)
That will be based off your successes.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:14:57 PM)
so... then ok. the jacket is +1 / 0 pen... depending on my dice roll that could go up more then just say +2 /0 ?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:15:18 PM)
Oh yes. Much more. Due to it's quality? It could go up to as high as +7/0 lol
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:15:27 PM)
See why it costs a perm willpower now? lol
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:15:48 PM)
hmm interesting
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:16:06 PM)
Now, I'm assuming you won't be ravaging your thralls for help in this.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:16:27 PM)
That being the case, you can take a full scene to use the enhance object evocation which gives you +2 dice on your roll.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:16:54 PM)
Base difficulty is 6, but with master artisan it becomes difficulty 4.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:18:06 PM)
so.. i'm rolling what?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:18:43 PM)
Perception + Crafts. Difficulty: 4 You may spend temporary faith for automatic successes. If you do, please notate that in your roll description on the DR.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:20:23 PM)
You can't do extended rolls on this one. The extra time gives you the extra 2 dice.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:22:01 PM)
sorry my ex wife came to the door to get the prescription cards to go get my meds
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:22:08 PM)
Not a problem brother
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:23:01 PM)
can i spent wp on it?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:23:02 PM)
If you have any questions so far, let me know. If not? Roll perception + Crafts + 2, difficulty: 4. If you want to spend faith for automatic successes just say as much in the "action" space.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:23:08 PM)
No, but you may spend faith.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:23:43 PM)
quick question... just wondering .. why perception .. not intel or dex?...
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:23:55 PM)
-shrugs- Cuz that's what the book says. lol
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:24:24 PM)
oh it does! ah ok.. i've played crafting characters before and never asked for perception so i was a bit wondering about it.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:24:48 PM)
are faith pts easily regained?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:24:55 PM)
Yea, this is a bit different. You're not actually crafting the trench coat. You're using your evocations to enhance it.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:25:23 PM)
Ouch, you have no pacts and thus no thralls. So yes. It can be quite difficult
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:25:44 PM)
hmm better not use them
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:25:57 PM)
If that's the case...I'll be kind and allow you to spend a willpower.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:26:02 PM)
cool
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:26:54 PM)
11/04/10 17:26:47 Derek Aerics rolls 8 dice vs. diff of 4 to crafting: 1, 8, 10, 9, 9, 9, 2, 9 ,W: 6 successes
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:27:31 PM)
Screen shot your witnessed roll, and Copy/Paste it into your bluebook for enhancing the armor.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:27:47 PM)
You got max successes, which can be divided up between the item's durability and protection.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:28:24 PM)
how much of a factor is durability?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:30:04 PM)
I'm sorry, armor's durability and protection rating are the same thing. My bad. So I say just toss it all into protection.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:30:14 PM)
Making it +7 / 0 armor.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:30:20 PM)
thats good right
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:30:49 PM)
Fuck yes it is. lol
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:31:19 PM)
That's +7 dice to add to your stamina on any soak roll against bashing or Lethal damage. (but sadly it doesn't work against agg)
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:31:42 PM)
(which is odd.. i guess agg damage just destroys the coat automatically)
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:32:18 PM)
No, it doesn't. But like -all- forms of armor (except that gained from your apocalyptic form) aggrivated damage ignore's it's rating.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:32:29 PM)
Full body kevlar doesn't help vs. agg
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:33:02 PM)
which is totally odd.. because the armor is a physical barrier between the damage doer and the damage taker.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:33:39 PM)
Right, but think about it. How much does a trench coat? Kevlar? Etc. Do when you're standing in a bonfire?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:33:43 PM)
Aggrivated damage is special.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:34:27 PM)
but fire is an aoe effect.. a garou's claw is point blank to a specific spot, fi the coat doesnt get ruined, then its like the claw magically passes through it.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:34:45 PM)
It will damage the item, of course. But it's just not gonna outright destroy it.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:34:55 PM)
ah ok.. now that makes sense
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:35:03 PM)
ok so.. on to the sword?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:35:04 PM)
Sorry, I should have been more clear.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:35:14 PM)
-nods- The sword is the exact same principle as the armor.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:35:24 PM)
gonna lose another wp!
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:35:35 PM)
hehe
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:36:02 PM)
11/04/10 17:35:53 Derek Aerics rolls 8 dice vs. diff of 4 to craft sword: 2, 8, 3, 2, 9, 9, 3, 10 ,W: 5 successes
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:37:01 PM)
Once again. Screen shot the witnessed roll, then copy/paste into your blue book. I want a seperate bluebook for both the sword -and- the armor btw. So don't roll them into 1.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:37:36 PM)
Also, under the copy/paste of the roll in the bluebook I want you to list the stats of the items. (+7 / 0 reinforced trench coat, for example )
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:38:30 PM)
Now, for the sword, you have 5 successes to spend.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:38:42 PM)
It starts off as a Difficulty: 6 Damage: Strength + 2 weapon.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:39:03 PM)
You may use those successes to lower difficulty (to a minimum of Diff: 3) or raise damage.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:40:03 PM)
so i could go diff 4 str+5?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:40:10 PM)
-nods- Indeed, you could.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:40:18 PM)
thats kind of twink
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:40:25 PM)
lol
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:40:33 PM)
That's lore of Forge. See why it costs a permanent willpower now?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:40:48 PM)
wow
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:40:51 PM)
hehe
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:40:57 PM)
that kind of gives me the warm fuzzies
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:41:10 PM)
Just wait til you start getting with other demons and using your level 4 Evocatoins. -snickers- It gets allllll kinda of fucked up.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:41:53 PM)
well lowering the diff.. will have the side effect of raising the amount of dice for damage
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:41:59 PM)
Indeed.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:42:02 PM)
Sweet, eh?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:42:17 PM)
so diff 3 str+4 would be the way to go i think.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:43:22 PM)
Hey, your call. You're the one using it. So long as it is within the rules I've provided for you? I'm good with what you decide.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:43:25 PM)
so i could in theory roll 12 dice for damage
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:43:50 PM)
i assume the diff 3 is only for to hit
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:43:56 PM)
-nods- Yes.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:43:58 PM)
Only for to hit
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:45:01 PM)
Just let me know how you decide to do it, so when I deduct 2 perm willpower, I can add them to your equipment list.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:45:19 PM)
ok so how long till they get on my sheet?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:45:34 PM)
Right now. As soon as you tell me. lol
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:45:47 PM)
Though I expect you to have a bluebook for each of them posted before you use them. Capiche?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:45:56 PM)
7/0 trench and diff 3 str+4 sword
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:46:01 PM)
i understand my lord
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:46:04 PM)
-nods- Good dela.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:46:08 PM)
deal*
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:47:15 PM)
What kind of sword? Short sword? I assume it'll replace the one currently on your equipment list?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:47:35 PM)
yes..
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:48:00 PM)
And we'll be dropping the chainmail?
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:48:12 PM)
yeah.. the coaat is obviously better
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:49:17 PM)
Now, re-log so I can make sure it took properly.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:49:30 PM)
is there a special way to cut and paste from a screen shot into a forum post?
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:50:27 PM)
No, the SS if for your records. You need to copy/paste from the DR results.
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Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:51:38 PM)
Check you out! With your snazzy new gears!
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:51:50 PM)
Now! Go write those bluebooks! -grins-
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:51:55 PM)
hehe now the coat will rip when i go to apoc right
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:52:39 PM)
Nope. Your apoc is how you design it. I suggest it's a celestial overlay and doesn't actually change your physical body.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:52:52 PM)
ah ok
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:52:58 PM)
Thus you won't get the benefits of the coat in apoc (but you have armor in that form) but it also won't be destroyed.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:53:07 PM)
coolo
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:53:18 PM)
ill do the bb's right now.
Derek Aerics (Nov 4, 2010 4:53:21 PM)
thanks omen
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:53:23 PM)
Awesome.
Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:53:29 PM)
Any time, brother. It's what I'm here for.
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Omen (Nov 4, 2010 4:53:38 PM)
Oh, your willpower is now 4.
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