RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:24:58 PM)
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Zhaed! (Nov 7, 2010 11:25:10 PM)
Ghostlin will be here in a sec.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:25:12 PM)
*appears in a cloud of anger and awesome*
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:25:37 PM)
no worries.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:26:00 PM)
I'm getting my books ready while we wait. so it will be a sec, since I am remoting to them from work anyway.
Zhaed! (Nov 7, 2010 11:26:35 PM)
that's fine, im reviewing everything now.
Saphirra (Nov 7, 2010 11:26:49 PM)
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RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:27:22 PM)
let me know if you have any questions, I did my best to post page numbers and books since I can't copy exact text directly.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:27:29 PM)
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RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:27:47 PM)
Howdy Ghost. thanks for joining us
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:28:05 PM)
Kiddo, next time you make PWs they're case sensitive.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:28:29 PM)
oh yea Z, i for got to tell you its Dark not dark as you suggested. my bad lol
Zhaed! (Nov 7, 2010 11:29:15 PM)
whoops.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:29:23 PM)
I didn't have the messed up powers Aldrich have to say, change the passwords to my office.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:29:33 PM)
have=had
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:30:00 PM)
lol I use to hate that. He would do that to peep on my old pack back in the day if he couldn't figure out the password.
Zhaed! (Nov 7, 2010 11:30:51 PM)
Thats my bad. I have weird cap habbits.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:30:58 PM)
Yeah a locked door's enough to keep me out...until I pull logs.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:31:42 PM)
Anyhow, as much as I try and honestly love chit chat...what's up exactly, folks?
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:31:43 PM)
Thats a good policy. *nods*
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:32:08 PM)
I am here to contest your ruling on Ducky's fostern challenge. And am curious as to what basis the decision was made.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:34:16 PM)
Originally, because I was an ST on IV and that was the exact ruiling we had when you had to surpress a frenzy during a staredown.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:34:37 PM)
Now that I've researched it, however, there two possibilites.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:34:45 PM)
ok.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:35:05 PM)
what are the two possibilies?
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:38:24 PM)
because if I may, We aren't playing by IV rules, we are playing by your rules. IF they are the same, I don't see them posted under house rules in either WTA setting, OOC, or IC the basic House rules thread.
Zhaed! (Nov 7, 2010 11:40:04 PM)
*is only half paying attention, and sanctioning a character*
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:40:37 PM)
Sorry, I'm having a shelf installed over my head while this is going on. The roommate insisted.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:41:00 PM)
lol no worries. I'm at work on hold with my vendor so if I randomly don't answer thats why.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:42:00 PM)
The first option is the original ruiling which I don't think it's unfair. You're quelling your beast with your Willpower, it's not completely unreasonable it'd cause you to break eye contact.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:42:26 PM)
ok and the second before I disprove the first?
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:43:13 PM)
The second option would have you redo any staredown that you'd get 4+ suxx in, and quite frankly, you MAY not get anyhow.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:43:41 PM)
This one takes a little bit of explaining, and is a whirlwind through the rules, if you'd follow me
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:44:20 PM)
PG 190 says if you spend a Willpower to supress frenzy, you'd have to lose all actions. PG 200...well, page 200 is fucking useless when it comes to thtat.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:45:03 PM)
By my humble interpretation of 190, that means two things. You'd either lose EVERY success you accumlated in a round, OR your opponent would get a free round to stare you down.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:45:23 PM)
Since actions in a staredown do not have initative order.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:46:34 PM)
right. All actions for the rest of the round. Since the rounds happen at the same time. So round 2 (i think) I spend a wp to stop the frenzy lose all action in the remainder of round 2. round 3, new round. Win.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:47:03 PM)
it clearly states "But her character loses any further actions that turn" not. "Her character loses ALL actions that turn"
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:47:17 PM)
Yes, but the actions are concurrent.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:47:50 PM)
That's written presuming combat rounds which AREN'T.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:47:51 PM)
so if it wasn't a staredown, and say I frenzied in combat I would lose all my combat actions I already took?
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:48:42 PM)
And that's reading between the lines. Keep in mind no where in the Core does it have a specific rule, which would leave it up to the ST.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:49:11 PM)
right, and yesterday an St ruled, congradulated me, ran the IC afterwards... then I wake up today to PSYCKE!
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:50:03 PM)
Its the same thing Aldy did on IV with the wyrm scale from the umbra. The ST running the scene accepted the terms. gathered the information. Rewarded me for it. Then Oops we lied... sorry.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:50:44 PM)
We found an incongruity. It happens. I do apologize for that. Frankly, you would of either ceded your NEXT roll, which would of been a reboot of the entire staredown, hence you didn't finish your Fostern challenge yet; OR you did lose.
Zhaed! (Nov 7, 2010 11:52:29 PM)
yeah man, it's mostly my fault. And it's mostly how the mechanics work man. As for Ambient, he just got the dumb luck of letting you know.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:52:36 PM)
But thats my point that you aren't seeing. Show me. Show me where it says that if you spend a willpower, you blink, break eye contact, cry, lose all actions total in a turn. Because I simply don't see it.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:53:01 PM)
It doesn't say that. It leaves it up to the ST. Which, not to be utterly ballsy here, is me.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:53:15 PM)
because according to the book, there is nothing stating at all that any actions you have taken during a round are negated by spending a wp.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:53:31 PM)
Now, I'm going to give you the choice. You can do another Staredown with Cookie, or you can rechallenge someone else.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:53:44 PM)
Or anotehr Ahroun of the sept.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:54:47 PM)
I will in the future mention that I have ruled that according to what I can glean for the Core, if you have to spend a WP, you skip your next staredown round.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:54:57 PM)
You still keep your successes, but you skip it.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:56:37 PM)
I'm sorry I still find that very wrong Ghost. I won the challenge fair and square and as yet, I have seen one cannonitical proof as to why I shouldn't. In that case, then we should just let Cookie roll one final time to see if he gets more than the 9 suxx to beat me. Because he would lose next round as well. As verified by all the players in the scene.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:57:02 PM)
even though by his account he turned away and blinked twice.
Ghostlin (Nov 7, 2010 11:57:14 PM)
Then you can speak with an admin.
RevBadger OOC (Nov 7, 2010 11:57:26 PM)
No problem. Can you please summon one?