Hades (Jan 29, 2011 9:33:35 PM)
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Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:33:44 PM)
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Hades (Jan 29, 2011 9:35:09 PM)
Give me a second to get your sheet opened

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:35:12 PM)
np

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 9:40:08 PM)
Okay, there's a few things on the sheet that I as they stand currently are such that the character cannot be sanctioned.

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:40:27 PM)
okay

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 9:40:47 PM)
The primary things that need some alterations are the Spirit Heritage 5, the merit from the Croaton Book, and the Flaws concerning the spiral totem and pack

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:41:38 PM)
Well, those are all things that are fairly central to the concept...

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 9:42:43 PM)
Spirit Heritage is restricted to 2 for characters. So I think the background justifies that rating without any issue. But a rating of 5 is not acceptable

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:43:14 PM)
Hmm, well the character creation thing said that beyond that might be doable with an appropriate background/justification...

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:43:31 PM)
I was going for that, if I need to write more justification or redo the story or something I would be up for doing so

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 9:45:11 PM)
Well, let me lay out where my objections are in total and then we can go from there.

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:45:22 PM)
okay

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 9:48:14 PM)
What I would like to see is reduce the Spirit Heritage to a level of 2, eliminate the merit and pick one of the Enemy flaws rather than essentially having two flaws for the same thing. And then deal with the points distribution afterwards

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:49:13 PM)
Can I ask why the merit needs to be eliminated? I mean in the scheme of things it is more cool than powerful for that cost...

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:54:50 PM)
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Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:55:12 PM)
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Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 9:55:21 PM)
sorry bout that

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 9:55:34 PM)
No worries. Let me retype the answer.

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:00:09 PM)
For one, I believe the material is 2nd edition. Also, the material presented in the Croatan book is meant more for running a Pure-Lands game prior to the arrival of Europeans. With the exception of possibly the Uktena and Wendigo, most of the material presented there is not really suitable to Garou of other tribes, particularly with so much time passed between the era of the Croatan and present day.

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:01:54 PM)
Hmmm, well it did not appear on the list of banned merits/flaws, it even said 2nd ed stuff may be allowed... and the Caern's totem is from that book, so I figured while it may need some reworking it should be doable to have a character with it... that said, I can bring myself to drop that merit and the regular enemy merit (keep the totem, as that makes it more of a persistant foe than anything)

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:02:31 PM)
I really want to keep Spirit Heritage 5 though, its at that point that your heritage is noticalbe to other garou when in the umbra, and I would really like to have that coolness factor involved...

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:03:16 PM)
Actually, keeping the totem was the option I was going to suggest since it seems more fitting. The individual packs may be destroyed or defeated, but as long as the spirit is left intact, Howls while always have an enemy that he will have to contend with.

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:04:11 PM)
*nod*

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:05:22 PM)
I wanted to the merit though to explain why that Salamander has taken such interest in him. Not only did his pack not capture the young Garou at the change, but in the write up of Salamander it meantions that nothing drive him to rage more than something he cannot burn.... so the 7pt merit allowed for that...

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:08:23 PM)
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Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:11:49 PM)
I understand the desire to have the cool-factor ramped up on characters. Everyone wants to have that so I'm not discounting it. That said, there is also the matter of game limits and balance. For a Spirit Heritage of that degree, would really involve direct involvement from the Celestines or Incarna themselves to give a portion of their essence to the Garou in question. And that is something that would be nearly impossible to justify occuring in a cliath character with starting creation stats.

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:14:58 PM)
hmmm

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:18:26 PM)
At level 2, you still the recognition of the spirits once you cross over into the Umbra

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:21:49 PM)
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Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:28:00 PM)
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Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:28:02 PM)
grrr

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:28:14 PM)
Wb.

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:28:52 PM)
And to repost, I said that at level 2 of the background you still have the recognition of the spirits once you cross over into the Umbra. After removing the merit and one of the flaws and reducing the background, that leaves you 7pts of freebies left. Which would be enough to buy the homid gift Master of Fire.

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:29:07 PM)
my net is has been horrid these last few days

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:29:24 PM)
hmmm, yeah but that wouldnt help inthe encounters in the womb or as a cub...

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:29:44 PM)
While it's a homid gift and thus not normally something a Talon would expect to learn, I believe that it works well with the character's back story and would actually be more useful than either the merit or the background in the long run.

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:32:36 PM)
hmmm eh, I think ill just save the character concept for some other game and rebrainstorm, ive had several other ideas this week

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:33:03 PM)
Alright, that's certainly an option as well if you want to go that route.

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:33:51 PM)
sorry to be such a pest, and go for a complicated concept

Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:35:33 PM)
Nothing wrong with complicated from time to time. As long as things aren't overly complicated in the process

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:36:22 PM)
heh

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:36:26 PM)
alright man, have a good on

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:36:27 PM)
one

Howls-with-Fire (Jan 29, 2011 10:36:46 PM)
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Hades (Jan 29, 2011 10:39:02 PM)
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