SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:23:05 AM)
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SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:23:49 AM)
Yes?

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:23:59 AM)
sorry about this but I need to verify something

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:24:10 AM)
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Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:24:49 AM)
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Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:24:58 AM)
sorry about that

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:25:11 AM)
what ties does this game have to shades of depravity?

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:25:17 AM)
Minimal.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:25:23 AM)
Officially as a site we have none.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:25:38 AM)
As a person I know the SoD admin and did some technical work for them.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:25:54 AM)
why?

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:25:54 AM)
then you should be made aware you are illegally using Patron engine code

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:25:59 AM)
They gave us a copy of it

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:26:12 AM)
it wasnt theirs to give

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:26:24 AM)
It is mine and mine alone to distribute

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:27:03 AM)
Hrm, well how would you like to propose resolving this? as i've edited quite a bit of it myself.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:27:42 AM)
well sit where I am and tell me what you would want if someone was distributing your hard work without your approval?

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:27:48 AM)
there's not a lot left that's originally "intact"

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:28:01 AM)
I'd of course be upset, but I'd also be understanding that the person who was given it didnt know that.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:28:25 AM)
and what would you want to happen?

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:28:53 AM)
Honestly not sure. Usually i've let such things go as a coder myself other than telling folks not to distribute it.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:29:14 AM)
in this case i dont know what to tell you. yes it's your code still, in part.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:29:39 AM)
that was part of the agreement when the code was given. Two rquirements, 1 give credit and 2 dont give it away and both were broken

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:29:50 AM)
and I did not ever agree to that.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:29:55 AM)
I'll add.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:30:10 AM)
If you would like credit posted i'd be happy to.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:31:15 AM)
that would be only fair I suppose as you clearly will put your chat above anything I ask

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:31:26 AM)
What would you do if you were me?

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:31:48 AM)
Spent 6 months working on something, got given code without any implications it wasn't okay, integrated it in and have spent 3-4 months editing it

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:32:15 AM)
and now it's on a live site. vs one that doesnt have users.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:32:20 AM)
and could be rewritten before open.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:32:34 AM)
a site I noticed was closed

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:32:47 AM)
hrm? no, SI isn't closed

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:32:54 AM)
not you, SoD

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:32:59 AM)
and SI is the only site i work on now. I did tech work for SoD by request only

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:33:03 AM)
i wasn't aware that it closed.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:33:16 AM)
basically they had a tech flake, and they asked me to impliment the new thing and make it work in their system.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:33:20 AM)
there is some random message up

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:33:33 AM)
huh

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:34:46 AM)
it says site closed for admin reasons

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:34:55 AM)
I honestly have no idea what happened on that count.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:35:07 AM)
and could not tell you. I wasn't informed. I was an "admin" only in terms of access. not in terms of actual what i did for them

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:35:50 AM)
He was loaded the code from the person I gave it to with permission. I had no idea he began passing it around

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:35:57 AM)
loaned

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:36:01 AM)
meh typese

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:36:12 AM)
Well if you mean a "he"...i largely suspect theres miscommunication at root here

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:36:25 AM)
rather than maliciousness. I know SoD lost a tech who may have had the code with your permission.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:36:36 AM)
but not told the owner not to hand it out. i got asked to fix it and make it work

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:36:48 AM)
He is being used generically

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:36:55 AM)
who is He?

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:37:02 AM)
Midnight

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:37:03 AM)
I'm not sure I know who "he" is in this conversation

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:37:08 AM)
I thought midnight memory was a she.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:37:23 AM)
maybe i have my names mixed up.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:37:26 AM)
heheh

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:37:29 AM)
it's ok

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:37:49 AM)
putting up the credit is really ok with me

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:37:56 AM)
okay, well, two questions for you

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:38:12 AM)
what do you want the credit to say or to link to? as i had the link to the patron engine site but it's long dead or it looked long dead the link i had.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:38:32 AM)
It is dead, forum was blighted with bots

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:38:54 AM)
poobah at ninjapoobah@gmail.com is fine

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:39:01 AM)
okay, fine if i say based on?

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:39:10 AM)
that's fine

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:39:12 AM)
the only reason i ask is i dont know whether you want me to say it's yours or say it's yours with my edits

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:39:18 AM)
as you may think i'm a tard for things i did to it

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:39:25 AM)
no not at all

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:39:30 AM)
okay. i'l get that up one sec let me write this down

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:39:50 AM)
and actually I would love to know what you might have changed or improved as I am constantly tweeking it

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:40:06 AM)
Well aside from breaking it badly, there were a few things that i have done

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:40:12 AM)
1. I've added a narrator permissions set

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:40:25 AM)
much like the way IV's narrator permission works.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:40:44 AM)
ah, i broke users entirely out of the game_data table because we integrated with wordpress. but ing eneral , i would break it out.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:41:04 AM)
understandable it was written to be used on chats that used a simpler backup that didnt allow multiple types of accounts

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:41:05 AM)
i fixed a few errors in a few sheets but i'm not sure that is in your original source. (hell i 'm not sure i even have the files unedited i got from sod i lost 2 harddrives)

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:41:41 AM)
*think* I had some issues but again they were wordpress integration with your formatting of option drop downs

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:41:45 AM)
Origionally it was seperate but flashcat, which many used as a backup chat wouldnt point to a different table for permissions

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:41:53 AM)
i dont think it met current HTML standards. or wordpress didnt think so. it ran okay in browsers.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:42:11 AM)
ah, makes sense.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:42:13 AM)
nope that is wasnt, I am converting it to all CSS now

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:42:18 AM)
oh good i was going to propose that

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:42:32 AM)
i have a very *messy* non CSS formatted code crap that i really have been meaning to clean up and fix and just had not had time

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:42:49 AM)
i have also been given a suggestion for DB speed that i had not implemented which was to abuse implode and explode PHP functions

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:42:55 AM)
i also had some trouble in places with special characters

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:01 AM)
and the backslashing/escaping.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:06 AM)
did you fix that?

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:13 AM)
the special characters? partially

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:33 AM)
mostly just enough to get it running. it's terrible code practice on my part but i was learning PHP along the way and just, oiy, time.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:37 AM)
that thing i do not have

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:43 AM)
I am still fighting with that

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:47 AM)
the implode/explode? no because it meant rewritting the SQL

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:49 AM)
and i have yet to do that

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:56 AM)
i did however ah, i swapped out some parts of the DR

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:43:58 AM)
then special characters

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:44:00 AM)
i'm not sure how well it works.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:44:11 AM)
but i basically made it like the umbral echoes version but it isn't

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:44:17 AM)
it's sort of a mesh of the two ideas.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:44:21 AM)
I have someone asking to include a spend feature like blood or glamour

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:44:32 AM)
not a bad idea. that would be great

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:44:37 AM)
um, other things, let me think here.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:44:45 AM)
oh- the dice_roller table

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:44:54 AM)
i KNOW that had some scripting vulnerabilities because someone did it

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:45:06 AM)
i cleaned that up and i also added a userID field to the rolls

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:45:13 AM)
the display table?

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:45:18 AM)
yes

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:45:28 AM)
that was on the list to redo

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:45:28 AM)
so even if you managed to fool that table into not having your name your id was recorded.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:45:49 AM)
PHP has a remove tags function that's nice

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:45:59 AM)
i forget the function but it strips out all JS and html and such other than what you specify as allowable

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:46:41 AM)
I am happy you were able to use it

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:46:57 AM)
yeah, really, ah, i liked your layout of how you did the includes

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:06 AM)
i realized how smart it was after seeing it.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:10 AM)
I have finally began to take the time with the conversion to clean alot of the code

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:13 AM)
:)

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:18 AM)
thanks

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:20 AM)
yeah i'm not looking forward to that myself. np

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:32 AM)
i'll add the credit where the white wolf credit is tonight

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:37 AM)
and put something on the credit page on the front page

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:43 AM)
changeling and wraith were the most annoying sheets

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:45 AM)
if i kept that or i'll make one i'm a little absentminded.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:49 AM)
oh you know what would be nice?

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:47:56 AM)
now maybe this is my incomplete copy of the code again i dont know

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:48:01 AM)
yes?

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:48:01 AM)
but a Wild West sheet. :D

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:48:08 AM)
and it looked like there was some work done on a dark ages sheet

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:48:10 AM)
that wasn't finished.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:48:31 AM)
I have a whole spread done for revised dark ages

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:48:39 AM)
nice.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:48:40 AM)
and just recently did a mummy sheet

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:48:46 AM)
Let me ask you- the current version of the code

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:48:52 AM)
is that something you're selling or how is that working?

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:49:22 AM)
Once I get it all cleaned up I am looking to hunt everyone down to get them updated

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:49:41 AM)
Oh, okay.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:49:48 AM)
I figured i would at least ask.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:49:48 AM)
there are a few people that had the scripts for pre PHP5 which will no longer work

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:50:04 AM)
I will include you

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:50:07 AM)
thank you.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:50:16 AM)
that's appriciated, i know i'm not the best news in your book here.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:50:31 AM)
but like i said- i wasn't told that there were any licenses/money/restrictions on the code when i got given it

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:50:36 AM)
you know what you have been reasonable

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:50:47 AM)
i try. I'm a coder for a day job actually.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:50:56 AM)
but thanks. :D

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:51:04 AM)
last time I tried to just get credit they told me to f*ck off

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:51:18 AM)
No, i just was hoping not to get dragged into some legal battle over it.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:51:29 AM)
nah

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:51:40 AM)
Credit's a pretty reasonable request!

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:51:45 AM)
I dont have the time, and I would rather see it used

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:52:04 AM)
just I just hate it being chucked all over willy nilly

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:52:11 AM)
Oh, i do have a question

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:52:22 AM)
that reminds me of something - the wierd eval statements at the tops of the pages

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:52:27 AM)
especially when one site has an asshat doing code injection attacks

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:52:34 AM)
i stripped those out because it seemed to me like it would slow the page down

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:52:39 AM)
what in the world were those for?

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:53:18 AM)
I would have to see it, I tried to keep it clear except for the cookie code then right into the scripts

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:53:35 AM)
hrm, maybe it had to do with cookies. as i pulled that out for having wordpress

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:53:50 AM)
in hindsight, i may wind up rolling to a cleaner version of the code w/o wordpress. but...eh, lessons learned.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:54:12 AM)
and suck re: the code injection

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:54:15 AM)
origionally it was sessions then too many complaints about time outs on sheets so I went to cookies

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:54:22 AM)
makes sense

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:54:37 AM)
i was hoping futiley

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:54:45 AM)
that wordpress and phpbb would have a better integration.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:54:52 AM)
so we could have a relatively unified login system.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:55:07 AM)
by going with the CMS.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:55:13 AM)
the first versions used phpbb as the security

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:55:19 AM)
i'm suprized then

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:55:26 AM)
PHPBB's backend is a goddamn bitch to figure out

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:55:33 AM)
i thought about that and i could not make head nor tails of how to do it.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:55:40 AM)
(ie i'm impressed)

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:55:46 AM)
it wasnt impressive

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:55:57 AM)
ah, well.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:56:10 AM)
i'm trying to think there was one other thing i changed/added

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:56:12 AM)
all I did was add two columns to the php_users table for member level and something else

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:56:16 AM)
ah.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:56:23 AM)
much like what i did with wp_users_metadata

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:56:33 AM)
oh- i consolidated the view pages

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:56:36 AM)
it was nice where that one register was all that was needed

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:56:39 AM)
somewhat.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:57:03 AM)
and yeah that was something we wanted

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:57:08 AM)
and just it didnt work out.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:57:26 AM)
trying to think what else. there was something. not to annoy you. just tired/absentminde

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:57:38 AM)
oh, i added an XP buyback system

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:57:42 AM)
but that's..possibly not of interest

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:57:59 AM)
explain

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:58:06 AM)
For transfers- we didnt want to unbalance our game horribly.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:58:14 AM)
oh yes

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:58:24 AM)
so I added another field to the sheets and the db of- xp transfered in with. on login half your login xp gets docked till that total hits 0

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 12:58:49 AM)
I was working on a script to auto caculate xp spending and actually compare and list changes in the ST notes and nearly gave myself an anurism

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:58:56 AM)
i thought about it

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:59:00 AM)
an ST requested it. for about 5 minutes

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:59:03 AM)
and said oh HELL no.

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:59:25 AM)
ah. let me think..anything else odd i did to it..

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 12:59:49 AM)
oh, i want to but havent pulled out a lot of things as variables to put in an include

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:00:18 AM)
like- where the images are sourced. because of the way wordpress works i have to use non-relative URLs. it struck me when i was fixing it it would be nice to have some things like- where is the mage bar icon- in a settings file

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 1:00:37 AM)
that was requested too

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:00:44 AM)
oh, and the drop down of icons

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:00:57 AM)
that i want to put in a settings file. Digi is such a goddamned @#$*&@!#$(@!# about the (#@$( icons

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 1:01:17 AM)
an include that would check the venue and then show the right bar is in the works

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:01:23 AM)
woot. :D

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 1:01:28 AM)
then the sheets will be pretty much all includes

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:01:34 AM)
i can email you if you want if something worth an email strikes me

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:01:40 AM)
as i have the feeling i'm forgetting something that was a really good idea

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:02:09 AM)
it'll probably wake me up at 3 am as i go- Hayley, you tard. that was the obvious suggestion.

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 1:02:38 AM)
I forget all the time, something to pop up when I am in the code and then I forget

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:03:24 AM)
lol. aint that the life of a coder?

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 1:03:26 AM)
ok I will let you go, I need bed too. Thanks for the time and I might pop in to make a character and hide heheh

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:03:32 AM)
anyhow, if you're good i'm going to go add the credit and you have a good night

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 1:03:52 AM)
I am good and glad to see things are ok

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 1:03:57 AM)
night :)

SignalDancer (Aug 4, 2010 1:04:01 AM)
night!

Paradigm OOC (Aug 4, 2010 1:04:10 AM)
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