Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 5:54:34 PM)
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T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 5:55:53 PM)
*There is an older man sitting with a laptop in front of him at the back booth, back to the wall. The only other person in the place is a laotian man in his sixties working the counter.*
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 5:58:56 PM)
*Isabel enters, and stops near the counter to stufy the menu. She drums her fingertips along the curve of her cane's handle*
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 5:59:19 PM)
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T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:01:13 PM)
*Mr Han, goes about his business without bothering Ms. Ross as to what she wants until she decides.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:01:30 PM)
-enter lucien seeming a bit out of sorts about something he carries a book with him and moves towrads the back of the area as well. carefully has covered it with a paper bag book cover he made for it-
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:03:03 PM)
*She orders a plain, regular coffee. And a donut. Because it IS donut hut*
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:03:32 PM)
-if he notes tc, he offers a bit of a wave to him before finding a seat-
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:04:59 PM)
*Hearing himself addressed. He comes up to the counter and squints at the woman. His only response being. "Sure sure." He puts your order together with an economy of motion and energy that is bordering on Tea Ceremony.*
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:05:14 PM)
(TC) Heya doc.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:06:10 PM)
hi -his voice sounding a bit hollow or something as things weigh on his mind. luc doesn't do too well with hiding it- how are you? oh i tried reading the manual and i understand it, its so clear. thank you
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:06:54 PM)
Glad to be of service. You seem like they've been breaking it off in you.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:07:54 PM)
hmm mind if i join you? -has a bit of a confused look- come again?
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:08:53 PM)
Go right ahead.Never mind, not important. What's on your mind?
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:09:54 PM)
nothing i can talk about.. -faint frown then he covers with the general- hospital stuff... -he already has a drink and sets it down. now he opens the book, one on parapsych yet the cover is hidden as mentioned-
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:11:14 PM)
Fair enough. I've been around enough spooks and shadow-dwellers to know when not to pry. I mean hell. Even your book doesn't want to be seen with you. *He smiles.*
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:13:17 PM)
ghosties? -he glances over to him now, a bit in surprise. he really didn't expect that-
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:13:28 PM)
*She takes her cup of coffee and goes to look for a seat. Hm. Lucien*
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:14:18 PM)
no, my book wants to hide.... i should decorate the cover or something -he offers a faint smile back in reassurance-
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:15:53 PM)
*Bemused smile.* Actually i was talking about people in the espionage community... But I did have a friend swear once that he exorcised a house using nothing more than a marshall stack and a boom box with a copy of Judas Priest's "Screaming for Vengeance" inside it.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:18:42 PM)
oh now that would have been amusing to see.... i actually like judas priest -he smiles a bit then glances to his book a moment concerning out of body experiences- some ghosties probably are just plain annoying if you believe in that kind of thing -quietly-
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:19:31 PM)
*She limps over* Hey, Luc...
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:20:16 PM)
Let me ask you something Doc. Are you familiar with the concept of the Collective Unconcious? Oh hello!
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:20:26 PM)
-he looks over to the woman, a bit of concern in his eyes- hi there, isabel
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:22:18 PM)
i've read about it vaguely.... that our thoughtwaves and dreams and stuff can be considered as one at times. its an interesting thing to think about -he sips his drink-
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:22:19 PM)
Mind some company?
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:22:30 PM)
no, go ahead and join us
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:22:39 PM)
Not at all.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:24:21 PM)
I tend to think of the collective unconcious as the entire well of human experience connecting and permeating us. And i think certain things happen as a result of this connection. Unexpected things. Hard to quantify things.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:25:00 PM)
-he turns the page in his book and reads a little further... hmm he might be onto something here- perhaps but i think if that is the case then our minds still work uniquely and independent of this
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:25:44 PM)
otherwise would we even have a personality or different abilities? if i could say tap into that i could hack a database even with my shitty computer skills... -he offers-
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:26:12 PM)
First Approach: You have a patient. If he has friends and family and well-wishers turn up. Is he statistically more likely to live or die. Conversely. The lone patient with no friends and family. Is he more likely to just give up and die?
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:26:41 PM)
*She sinks into a seat*
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:27:16 PM)
i see your point..... statistically if both have similiar issues, the one with friends and family will be better off and live and fight to hold onto life
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:27:51 PM)
where the latter may simply give up......
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:28:28 PM)
I like the idea of the CU being hackable. It's got a lot of shit-ware in it. I don't believe in astrology. But i find myself getting my ass kicked anytime Mercury is in Retrograde. I think enough people believe in that sort of stuff that it may literally make no difference what i think about it.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:30:15 PM)
the wierdest thing happened today at hospital.... idon't really know what to say about it -quietly- but you believe in this conciousness thing -turns a few more pages- its troubling me
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:30:37 PM)
Right. The whole concept of "Positive Vibes" may not be quantifiable in a labratory sense. I sure wouldn't want to try to sneak it past James Randi.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:31:05 PM)
And as far as ghosts go...
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:32:05 PM)
sometimes the spirits linger and want stuff done -softly- especially around here
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:35:23 PM)
*Looks very serious* There are a number possible explanations for things that would be called "ghostly activity" Slow monoxied poisoning...Naturally occuring infrasonic phenomenon... But when you get down to it...The whole breadth of human history has stories about ghosts. and if you believe in the CU, well...Let's just say that the number of ghost stories reported over the course of human existence can't just be chalked up to phenomenon. They're statistically significant.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:35:51 PM)
but that is not what is bothering me now....... a patient at the hospital given only 12 hours to live is fine today yet his wife's brother is dead of the same issue -quietly- he was in jail. the patient claims a male angel visited him and offered to help him and he should take his meds..... and also to call his wife in the morning. when he did he found out her bro was dead
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:36:40 PM)
That, and fate is a bitch. *Sips her coffee*
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:37:07 PM)
because if you think of it, all the existance, all thoughts and memories, do they just go away? who knows..... i think the mind continues on in some form. is it ghosts, that's debatable but they are there
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:38:18 PM)
You're struggling with heavy thoughts. And sadly Scientific method isn't helping much.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:39:03 PM)
*Looks at Miss Ross* What she said. In fact, that bitch owes me 12 dollars.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:39:16 PM)
maybe the conciousness was able to heal him but it backfired and he died.... i dunno, i know its not scientific so i have to really think outside the box -quietly-
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:39:44 PM)
Did he describe the angel?
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:40:34 PM)
dreamlike and male..... he didn't seem to recognise him. i can visit and ask.... that is n my list of things to do and also visiting the jail too
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:42:11 PM)
Alright. I'd be interested to hear more. I collect weird things like that.
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:42:22 PM)
An angel. *She shakes her head*
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:43:45 PM)
Another manifestation of the aggregate will to believe? Who knows? Perhaps they do exist after a fashion, and it's only their nature that is occulted.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:44:42 PM)
no, i think... i think it was the brother of the wife -he says softly- not an angel or a demon or some ghost.... nothing was asked for. it might have been a last ditch attempt to do something right from jail
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:45:52 PM)
Or the delusion of a disease-addled brain. Minds play tricks.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:45:58 PM)
I like that you're willing to entertain wild theories even if you must eventually discard them.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:46:51 PM)
did neither of you hear what i said about him? he went from dying of cancer to being perfectly healthy -quietly then sips his drink- his pancreas fixed itself
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:47:47 PM)
The young lady is entirely correct too. The mind does play tricks on occasion. But i find that the body is the slickest and most convincing of liars. "Oh no, it's not tuesday, They don't need you for at least 2 more hours....Plenty of time to roll over and go back to sleep..."
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:48:12 PM)
*snorts* So he was misdiagnosed
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:48:34 PM)
the two switched health issues.... no, i saw both vitals and he had been dying
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:49:30 PM)
"Spectacular claims require spectacular proofs"...And it seems that Lucien has them.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:50:49 PM)
Who knows. If i figure out how to hack the collective unconcious, maybe random miracles and things of that sort might become more common. *Drinks his coffee* I quite like the sound of that.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 6:51:54 PM)
hence i need to look into this further.... figure some things out. i don't even know why i shared it. maybe its your belief in the unconcious thing -quietly-
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:53:16 PM)
"There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio."
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:57:07 PM)
Hamlet was kind of a wanker, though. He spends the whole first act wibbling about whether or not the ghost was his father or the Devil.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:58:06 PM)
The devil make take on a pleasing shape.
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 6:59:27 PM)
L'enfer, c'est les autres
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 6:59:29 PM)
In fact, Hamlet is a tightly plotted political thriller that has nothing AT ALL to do with freudian mommy issues that certain English faculty seem to want to stick in there.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:00:22 PM)
-he is quiet as they discuss literacture and his mind wanders considering the possiblities-
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:00:38 PM)
Oh, there are plenty of mommy issues. If it really were tightly plotted, it wouldn't be five acts. Shakespeare didn't -do- tightly plotted, that's why the French loathed him so much. He pissed in their Unities.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:02:31 PM)
I respectfully Disagree. *smiling pleasantly.*
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:03:25 PM)
The reason Hamlet is so long-lasting is the fact that it is complex. *A shrug* It has multiple themes.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:04:32 PM)
True. But that's not why it lasts. Shakespeare was the not best plotter in the world. He stole much from Plutarch. What causes his work to endure is his poetry.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:05:41 PM)
People want to say those words. Poetry has a means of moving the soul and the spirit of mankind that is both inherent to, and transcendant of the mere words that make it up.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:06:03 PM)
-starts glancing to his book again perhaps seeking answers-
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:06:19 PM)
Shakespeare stole. Everyone steals. But he does have a gift for weaving together multiple plots - you don't find that with the greeks. It goes directly against Aristotle.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:08:24 PM)
I'm sorry. I don't believe i caught your name miss.
Elaine Delacourt (Sep 16, 2010 7:08:27 PM)
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Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:08:47 PM)
Ross.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:09:54 PM)
*Mr Han comes out of the back looking over Elaine.* Yaah?
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:10:46 PM)
(Oops. Sorry. DLP)
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:12:29 PM)
*He produces a business card like a magic trick.* TC Mitnick. Technical Assistance and wild theories.
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:13:11 PM)
Hm. Thanks. *She takes the card and tucks it into a pocket*
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:14:06 PM)
Welcome.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:15:29 PM)
In fact, bringing it all back around full circle, one could make the case that Shakespeare is one of the most successfull hackers of the collective unconciousness.
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:16:13 PM)
He did invent a lot of words...
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:18:14 PM)
And words are just symbols that we manipulate in order to transfer meaning.
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:19:13 PM)
Well, yes. Words themselves are just sounds...
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:20:35 PM)
-he has nothing really to add to their conversation-
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:21:21 PM)
So a man who created new words hacked new meanings out of whole cloth.
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:21:27 PM)
With a mutually agreed upon value. Which can change.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:22:28 PM)
Or maybe...There is a force at work within the CU that decides when new meaning is needed. Either case is possible.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:23:06 PM)
In any case Luc. I'm interested.
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:23:15 PM)
I don't think the unconscious really is sentient...
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:23:34 PM)
But you don't KNOW do you?
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:23:50 PM)
its someone's mind.... -he tries not to yawn, glances to tc-
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:23:55 PM)
Of course not.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:25:23 PM)
Ah well. It's just something i'm thinking about while i'm de-bugging code.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:26:46 PM)
well tc as you are curious, i'll share what i can dig up about it.... i'm figuring for one of the scenarios to work the brother in jail must have been nearly in a coma state...
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:27:26 PM)
a body without a mind isn't doing much of anything besides keeping self alive..... -quietly-
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:27:39 PM)
The whole thing does seem oddly thermodynamic.
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:29:50 PM)
Well, what is the mind up to when it isn't in the body?
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:30:36 PM)
-he facepalms lightly- he travelled there and healed the man -quietly- and in doing so also messed up and switched injuries or disease into his own form
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:32:44 PM)
If you read your old testament, most miracles don't come without a price.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:34:35 PM)
One could say that maybe they still don't.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:34:42 PM)
which is why i asked him aboutmaybe having to offer his soul and he said no
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:36:14 PM)
Probably a good question. For all he knew, he was talking with hamlet's father. *Smile and wink*
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:37:14 PM)
i didn't have much time to speak to him, he wanted to sleep
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:38:10 PM)
i suppose neither of you believe in near death experience either....
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:38:14 PM)
You know. I'll bet you a box of glazed he doesn't remember much about it when you talk to him again.
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:38:42 PM)
I believe in near death experiences.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:38:43 PM)
glazed what and why would you say that? -quirks a brow faintly-
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:38:44 PM)
No. I'm aware of NDE. I've had one.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:39:22 PM)
*Hooks his thumb at the display case.*
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:39:22 PM)
i have too.... it was more than just my mind remaining active. i wasn't dreaming
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:39:37 PM)
I'm not one to entirely discount parapsychology. *A shrug* There is still plenty that science hasn't yet explained.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:39:47 PM)
fine a box of those things.... you're on
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:40:14 PM)
Mine was...*he gets a far away look.* Not really something i can talk about...
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:41:14 PM)
no one asked you too -softly- i dont wanna talk about mine either
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:42:24 PM)
*She rolls her eyes* Yes, let's be cryptic and mysterious.
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:43:05 PM)
In any case. I think i need to tool up the road a bit. I need to stop in and visit mom tonight.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:43:09 PM)
its a personal thing, you want to talk about yours?
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:45:13 PM)
*Closes his Lappy and then tucks it into the enormous Toolbag.*
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:45:17 PM)
I haven't had one. I said I believed in them, but I haven't. The worst I've been hurt, I don't actually remember much.
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:46:58 PM)
well i need to be going as well fairly soon... i have some more things to look into about this then i think i will visit my parents before heading home
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:47:54 PM)
(i am dead tired)
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:48:05 PM)
Pleasure meeting you Miss Ross. *He levers the strap of the enormous bag and then lifts with his legs to stand up.*
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:48:24 PM)
(I may be back later. depends on work.)
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:48:37 PM)
-he gets up as well- interesting conversation we all had, anyways i be off now -and he heads on his way- (nite, i can't)
Dr. Lucien Ikaeda (Sep 16, 2010 7:48:41 PM)
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Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:49:37 PM)
((byeeee))
T.C. Mitnick (Sep 16, 2010 7:50:01 PM)
(Good night. and thank you for a lovely scene.)
Isabel Ross (Sep 16, 2010 7:51:08 PM)
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