SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:05:48 PM)
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Gabby Girl (Jan 15, 2011 8:06:01 PM)
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Gabby Girl (Jan 15, 2011 8:06:15 PM)
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SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:06:16 PM)
Hey, so just, to refresh my memory, we were talking last about anna, the fenrir challenge, the team not backing you up.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:06:21 PM)
right?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:06:27 PM)
Yeah

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:06:41 PM)
It was a mess that seems to still be spinning out of control

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:06:48 PM)
Right, I'm trying to get a grasp on it

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:06:57 PM)
I know Ghostlin implemented an Idea of Bastians but I dont know where things stand currently

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:07:05 PM)
do you wanna work on that, or talk about other things in the venue and come back to that?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:07:13 PM)
just, not to ignore it, just to make sure i hear everything you have to say

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:08:19 PM)
To where even running a scene has players watching the dr and making false and yes i say false because they are. False claims of favortisum, as i do not know tpo of scratchy to my knowledge nor do i know alirmancy whom they went wiggy on for me running a scene for because he was not in the fenris tribe.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:08:37 PM)
Right, I will talk to tpo of lukas about the last part

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:08:40 PM)
but the first part, i'm handling.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:08:54 PM)
already on it, and I will be having a conversation with bastian with allegory that his witch hunting isn't going to be tolerated.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:09:04 PM)
unless there's something else you can think of for me to do?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:09:09 PM)
because i'm open to other suggestions.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:09:16 PM)
These are the reasons I was given that I was not risen to st status. I was told I would be capable of becoming full blues only when I "fixed" the "issue" with the fenris players.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:09:26 PM)
Well, now hang on

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:09:32 PM)
Far as I understand Ghostlin just wanted the challenge settled

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:09:37 PM)
he isn't demanding all the fenrir players be happy

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:09:45 PM)
i'll speak to him, but far as i know, the challenge issue is settled.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:09:56 PM)
there will be another challenge later open to all the pcs who want it who are eligible right?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:11:31 PM)
That was what I was told at the St meeting that until the story line with the elder had come to a completion "which will not be for five and a half more months" That I would be unable to have full blue status. He said to be grateful for this, because I would not have to deal with player complaints like a full st. Just ya know do the renown the xp request and run the scenes and be an ast and not deal with complaints.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:12:03 PM)
I'll talk to ghostlin.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:13:10 PM)
tonight. even. about that. because i dont think that's terribly fair.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:13:12 PM)
I have a story line I had planned to run with this elder, one in which would take them to umbral places. The first stop which i have allready dropped ic to one of the fenris pcs, is they are going to the legendary relm.. The story line will arch where they hone there skills and talents and are embraced in the tribal lore..

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:13:21 PM)
let me talk to him about that okay?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:14:37 PM)
okay, so, greens, fenrir issue.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:14:39 PM)
talk to bastian.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:14:41 PM)
*nods* yes you can speak to him about that. The end of the sl which he agreed with, will be the challenge for leadership and the uncovering of a old fenris fetish that will essensialy be handed to the new leader of the tribe, and the captain will sail in his umbral ship in search of lore and find himself more people along the way

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:14:42 PM)
about being a y'know what.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:15:14 PM)
alright.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:15:23 PM)
is there anything else? topic wise we need to address?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:15:29 PM)
as i plan to work on all the things you've mentioned

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:15:31 PM)
yes there was

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:15:43 PM)
you had asked me some questions when we started the last time

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:15:50 PM)
I said the good things where wind seeker

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:16:33 PM)
right. windseeker. and the catnik and crypt were inactive

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:16:54 PM)
Shes awesome and active adition even with her busy scheudal as is scary

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:17:11 PM)
i have no problem actualy with catnik and crypt being inactive

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:17:13 PM)
in fact

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:17:40 PM)
id rather them being in active then a active st that would have the grasp of the game in a way that makes my eyes bleed like sap

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:17:56 PM)
a little bird told me there's someone you think fits into that category

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:18:05 PM)
the, grasp of the game in a way that makes your eyes bleed

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:18:48 PM)
did you know she would just add up the renown and -1 for claith - 2 for fostern? she didnt question a thing on requests and when i first started doing the request some of the pcs did not even know how to make a renown request or justification for a xp request

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:19:29 PM)
they would just say ".4glory.2wisdom.5honor"

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:19:35 PM)
and i would be like "for what?"

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:19:54 PM)
you mean, saph?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:20:00 PM)
or catnik?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:20:02 PM)
*confused*

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:20:12 PM)
or they would request xp "iv status" spending 4 xp to raise something to 2 instead of 2 xp and i would go through and fix it

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:20:16 PM)
Yeah saph

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:20:31 PM)
Geez. okay. yeah

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:21:53 PM)
saph the one who states it takes her months to do all the details of her story lines but then when she runs it, she is only useing 1 main enemy that enemy is useing a shot gun and she did not even look up in the "months" it took her to get ready, the damage the main weapon would do. (it being a shot gun) and then did not think she had to (roll damage for the bullette that is always just did what ever the bullette said)

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:22:22 PM)
Sheesh.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:22:31 PM)
allmost killed my pc

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:22:33 PM)
Id idnt realize it was that bad, then again i'm not on as a PC in sapph's scenes much

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:22:34 PM)
until i said

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:22:42 PM)
"why didnt you roll the 8 damage?"

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:23:04 PM)
she was like "cause it says 8 damage for a shot gun" and i was like "yes but you still have to roll those dice"

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:23:29 PM)
Oiy. *shake head*

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:23:41 PM)
She then (or he as the case might be) ran a 3 hour scene of players just "walking"

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:23:53 PM)
The players where supposta go find a missing pack

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:24:09 PM)
they finaly get to the destination after gettin info from a spirit after a three hour walk

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:25:22 PM)
Pff.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:25:25 PM)
she describes the scene the dead lupus fostern a fe bat like cat spirits and a raccon type bane the 7 players in the room wanted to attack the banes she said "not going to do combat right now"

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:25:32 PM)
...

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:25:38 PM)
yeah, yeah that's. not cool

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:25:53 PM)
She then says"yuou realise this is to powerful for you guys so you will have to go back to the sept.. "

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:26:18 PM)
The players complained one sent a message to ghostlin another added them to there renown request

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:27:19 PM)
oiy.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:27:46 PM)
One said they wanted there chr deleted from the scene because as a fenris they would not have left and if they had they would have went right back she mentioned at the end of the scene "you guys know you only found one of the pack they could still be alive" and the players responce was.. "my chr wouldnt leave them in the hands of the enemy to give information about the sept or what have you through means of torture or dark rituals":

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:28:21 PM)
*nod*

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:28:52 PM)
its been a month and the players got more agitated because this means there chrs have been sitting on there asses for a month while gaiens are beingt tortured or what have you and she is not on or posted anything about it

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:29:28 PM)
i would be agitated too

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:29:30 PM)
its not the first fubar shes thrown into the works and they said it was because she did paper work(which i seen first hand how that was handled)

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:30:30 PM)
okay, gabby, quick question (having side convos)

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:30:33 PM)
That they kept her around because of her "activity" But she has not done paper work since october? Ive had to beg that person to log in and do coi issues for me for only 5 chrs and most of them where players i couldnt touch due to

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:30:42 PM)
do you care if i talk to the fenrir players, and make sure they're on board with your plan.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:30:42 PM)
coi

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:30:54 PM)
or do you know they already are?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:31:03 PM)
and she wouldnt do them arrons sheet from november was untouched till last friday when i had to have a admin do it

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:31:23 PM)
yuh

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:32:01 PM)
You can talk to the fenris players we allready had the meeting with them. I mean some want the scenes I had planned on running but the antogonists are making waves of fury.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:32:13 PM)
right

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:32:23 PM)
And thus anything i try to do is in guetto terms being "cock blocked"

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:33:12 PM)
i'll see what i can do on that front, already got ghostlins permission and talking to him.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:34:08 PM)
You can try to talk to them we have tried to fix all the issues, but i think all they want is to be elder, and not to earn that position through a story arch.. they just want it handed to them, because prior to me being a st, without my knowledge Anna was promised this, and that is why they killed the old elder "supposidly"

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:34:44 PM)
But when i took fenris "failed" to tell me this before i began planning..

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:35:10 PM)
okay, my advice

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:35:14 PM)
forget any promises made toa nna

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:35:19 PM)
she's allowed to challenge like the rest of them

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:35:23 PM)
i will talk to her about that if needed

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:35:35 PM)
i will see about tlaking to the fernrir. who is involed?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:35:40 PM)
Bastian, Anna, Lukas- who else?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:35:55 PM)
Because I am more active i plan i plot i run 2 scenes a day most times. Thus if they do not log in or do not get with me on things they want even though they knew i was taking those tribes.. im allready introducing a story line and then im told nooo we are giving that to anna

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:36:46 PM)
yeah, well, no. i'll talk to anna and lukas and bastian and any other names you give me

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:38:10 PM)
i think mark might be upset, but hes been sort of cool about it to be honest. Lukas lost faith in me because i was honest that i did not think player elders where a good thing, but i altared my story line to have a temp elder come in and train them to be elders to make them more fenris.. they said "then why let us challenge it was a waste of our time" but dont you know "the waste of there time" for me running the challenge they still claimed the renown for being in a just challenge?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:38:55 PM)
the whole last minute thing was anna deciding at the "last moment" she was not challenging

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:39:16 PM)
I had posted in the forums previously because of her hopping to both sides of the fence

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:39:27 PM)
i want elder i dont want elder i want elder i dont want elder

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:39:41 PM)
that if there was not "3" challengers then i would bring in a npc

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:40:09 PM)
no i understand that

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:40:10 PM)
i do

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:40:20 PM)
and i get the plan. and i will see what i can do about getting people settled down

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:40:26 PM)
i'm not sure what else i can promise other than to try and talk to people

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:41:22 PM)
I had no plans to bring him in i was gonna let it be for grabs till she then refused to step up.. Had she challenged and some one won or what ever, I just would have trashed my story line and ultimatly let them fend for themselves. cause if there is a pc elder then i had no way to bring in this npc anyway.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:42:23 PM)
i could have tried to salvage it brought it in some other way some how

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:43:19 PM)
but I mean i have been so fustrated and it only grows as they are now nit picking every thing i do to a stalkerish degree that my eagerness to touch a fenris pc wanes each passing day.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:43:39 PM)
Hun, I know that.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:43:41 PM)
let me try to work on it?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:43:54 PM)
Yup

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:44:09 PM)
As for wta stuff there is going to be a whole new ball of wax comming up

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:44:20 PM)
oh?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:44:26 PM)
something completely different? whats that?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:44:27 PM)
As i am also the st in charge of dealing with the fang issue

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:44:36 PM)
fang issue, fang issue, what fang issue?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:45:19 PM)
Thus if you think dealing with bastain is hard, what happens when i have to remove hansd from his comfy elder throne because hes a hinderance to the game and a unfit representive for the tribe of kings?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:45:37 PM)
Any chance you could punt this?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:45:44 PM)
to another ST given the political situation at hand?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:46:19 PM)
I have ghostlins approval for this and the entire wta st staff agrees and 5 players left the venue after complaints to sts about hans when nothing was done they deleted there pcs and headed into another tribe just to distance themself from him

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:46:53 PM)
Then, if you have issues, punt them to ghostlin or to me

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:46:55 PM)
*Looks at ya*No one wants to touch it with a 20 foot pool

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:46:57 PM)
because if you have their approval, you have mine.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:47:43 PM)
No one wants to remove hans, hell they tried to give him a punishment rite and he demanded logs and complained to the hst and went on a witch hunt when his chr got called out..

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:48:04 PM)
i know why that was

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:48:12 PM)
he felt like he was being punished and the others werent for similar things

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:48:15 PM)
you think removing him from his leadership position is going to be a walk int he park

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:48:17 PM)
i was a player in that scene though

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:48:19 PM)
no, it's not.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:49:14 PM)
Yeah I would actually hand over fangs at this point just to not have myself dragged across the coals.. however no one knows enough about them or they have coi issues or they simply don't want to deal with hans..

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:49:48 PM)
wind was nice enough to take the fianna tribe but they allready have a npc elder

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:49:54 PM)
right

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:51:42 PM)
I might ask that i go into tribes with npc elders and hand the fangs and fenris to anyone else.. Some fenris players enjoy my scenes, but lets be honest with mark/lukas/anna/and bastain im not gonna get jack or squat done at this point. its gonna be me and bastain sitting infront of our books mid scene arguing mechanics like it was last time

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:53:36 PM)
he made a simple challenge into a full fledged game mechanic war.. that i did not nessisarily enjoy but found myself in due to my own love of rules lawyering. he brought up a broken part of the system a grey area in which he tried to fiddle around with insiative order to best suit his own characters actions. I had to have ghostlin make an offical chat policy about "said" grey area.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:54:27 PM)
but it took up way to much of the time and drew out the entire scene making everyone involved agitated and agressive by the end of it

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 8:55:56 PM)
never forget it, it was the night of winter soltice and i missed my midnight ritual due to it..

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:58:19 PM)
*nod*

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:58:25 PM)
and i'm so sorry hun., i really, really am

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 8:58:28 PM)
*is pagan herself*

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:00:21 PM)
Ghostlin is a good wta head, but his kind heart which he might deny having puts him in some stickey situations. I do not know why sap has made it this long under him. I know that he enjoys the game, but he does not enjoy whining lil bastards and he gets angry at the players when they act out. I get it some people ya just wanna rage choke. But ghostlin needs to flip them fuckers the bird every now and then. You will not please everyone all the time, and you sure as hell should not be expected to. He should be proud of his team, we should be trying to make his job LESS stressful, not more agervating.

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:02:22 PM)
Thus, when he loggs in and has to deal with no paper work being done, no blue books being answered a staff of 5 people who had sheet privlages but all the work being done by only 2 of that five staff and the 5 chrs those too staff members could not touch for coi none in his team could be bothered to touch

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:03:19 PM)
When he has to call in a admin to do coi and has 5 people on his staff capible of sheet work there is a problem

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:03:47 PM)
zh/me/bunny/cat/sap all had abilites to do paper work

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:03:54 PM)
now zh is in fera

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:03:57 PM)
no, i agree it's a problem

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:03:58 PM)
but wind is doing coi

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:03:59 PM)
yeah

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:04:02 PM)
no i get that

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:04:18 PM)
and she had the coi issues done the same day she got the ability

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:06:45 PM)
She did not want to do sheet work but she took it for coi issues because no one else could really be bothered to deal with coi

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:07:37 PM)
That is the kind of attitude i enjoy from her... And why i am glad she is on the team she will put in the work even if she does not want to be doing it, just to make sure it gets done.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:07:50 PM)
no, windseeker is awesome

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:07:58 PM)
okay, well i am going to take my to do list. and the several things i need to address

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:08:04 PM)
and see what i can do, alright?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:09:23 PM)
I would take no work from Crypt (whom has run a scen for me and we have one scheudaled at 11 tonight as well) or cat (whom is very busy i get it but she made time for me yesterday and i appreciated it) then someone like sap (whom has not done work in ages and when she does work its sloppy and has no mechanic knowledge and lies about it)

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:09:37 PM)
no, i gotcha

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:09:37 PM)
i do

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:09:39 PM)
i really really do

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:09:48 PM)
Okay

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:09:54 PM)
As for ghostlin

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:10:07 PM)
id like to see him head st the way a head st should be able to.

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:10:20 PM)
which is the being less caring of the complaints ?

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:10:24 PM)
on his high fucking horse dealing with complaints and player issues and free of all low grade paper work

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:10:24 PM)
or something else?

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:10:34 PM)
ah. yeah. i'll see what we can do to move forward with that

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:10:55 PM)
Yeah get him on his stallion give him a sword of smiting and let him loose

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:11:06 PM)
Any way thank you for speaking with me

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:11:37 PM)
I appreciate the tijme the admins took to adress concearns and complaints ya guys bust your pooch i know.. and thanks for it

SignalDancer (Jan 15, 2011 9:12:48 PM)
yw

DND Meeting (Jan 15, 2011 9:12:52 PM)
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