Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 8:34:12 PM)
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Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:36:03 PM)
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Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:36:07 PM)
here

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 8:36:12 PM)
hi

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:40:08 PM)
give me a second or two

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 8:40:30 PM)
sure, if im slow its because im in a scene in another chat

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:40:39 PM)
heh

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 8:45:34 PM)
*hums jeopardy theme music*

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:45:44 PM)
sory

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:45:50 PM)
she iamerican aye?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 8:45:54 PM)
yes

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:49:03 PM)
kk

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:49:10 PM)
sory having a slow mind

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 8:49:19 PM)
its ok

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:52:28 PM)
okay ya balance like i thought

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:52:31 PM)
i just had to read do it

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 8:52:50 PM)
no worries :)

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:55:49 PM)
k what type of medium is she?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 8:56:42 PM)
the talk to ghost kind

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 8:57:33 PM)
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Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 8:57:49 PM)
*hugs EG and pulls into lap to brush*

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 8:58:27 PM)
*purrs*

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:59:12 PM)
well the talk to ghost kind of medium is vague

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 8:59:16 PM)
can you tell me more about it?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:01:16 PM)
All I know is that its a merit, I had no idea about the book that there is for it but I downloaded it but have not gone through it yet. With her, its a ever other generation gift/curse that is passed down in the family. Pretty much because of it she became a ghost hunter and occult teacher. seeking out haunted areas to try and get in contact with the dead and help them move on if she can

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:01:24 PM)
no i mean how do you play it

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:02:03 PM)
what do you mean?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:02:35 PM)
do you play her as the wishy-washy, haitian cliche?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:02:41 PM)
(evnen if she is not haitian)

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:03:41 PM)
no, i dont think thats how I play her. shes the want to be helpful listener.im not even sure what wishy-washy, haitian cliche is

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:03:52 PM)
heh... okay.

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:04:03 PM)
I know ya a s a player (thought your log in threw me for a loop))

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:04:16 PM)
my log in?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:04:18 PM)
((thought you were the other madhatter.))

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:04:40 PM)
okay now back to the sheet

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:04:45 PM)
oh no, ive been madhatter and dormouse for forever. frostweaver is my other log in

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:05:02 PM)
i remember all those names *chuckles*

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:05:09 PM)
dormouse I know... and frostweaver

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:05:13 PM)
Madhatter is anotehr one lol

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:05:19 PM)
there two Mh's

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:05:34 PM)
i know i use to fight with the other madhatter when we logged in lol

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:05:42 PM)
lol

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:06:23 PM)
mind if i ask a question, Z?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:06:36 PM)
in am inute I got one issue, one large one...

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:06:59 PM)
ok

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:06:59 PM)
okay so here is the biggest issue (Which for me this is a small issue, which makes me smile) I have with your sheet.... resources 3, two owned hosues and she is a night school teacher

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:07:14 PM)
should only be 1 house owned

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:07:49 PM)
oh its a 2 bedroom house

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:08:09 PM)
thats what it suppose to be

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:08:52 PM)
oh i misread taht

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:09:00 PM)
no worries

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:09:51 PM)
okay

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:10:01 PM)
Evil?

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:10:24 PM)
yeah *G* okay, this is dealing with the medium, to maybe try and help you with how you want to play it

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:10:35 PM)
ok

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:10:55 PM)
when she speaks with them, is she afraid? does she want to help them? or, does she do more like the ghost hunting thing, as a medium helping out that realm

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:11:04 PM)
thats what i was looking for

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:11:12 PM)
oh give her willpower we need to talk about that too

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:11:54 PM)
shes alot like the ghost hunters, thats what she does in her spare time.

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:12:45 PM)
so, she's a recreational hunter?

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:12:48 PM)
ghost*

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:12:52 PM)
but whats her reponse to it?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:13:22 PM)
no scared, shes been doing this since she was little, she just wants to help them

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:14:06 PM)
iw ould say, if i may suggest, trying to up her WP to a 4? *looks at Z*

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:15:42 PM)
probably

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:16:11 PM)
and I would advise as a teacher dropping resources to 2.

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:16:21 PM)
im working towards that stuff. starting characters are hard to do lol. even a college one?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:16:31 PM)
yeah...

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:16:44 PM)
wow, ok then

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:16:46 PM)
yeah

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:16:51 PM)
I got a lot of friends who are full profs

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:16:57 PM)
they are not making much....

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:16:59 PM)
college teachers dont make a ton, despite the commopn belief

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:17:09 PM)
if youre tenure, that's where the cash is

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:17:15 PM)
and night profs are paid even less because they are usualy contracted not tenrued

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:17:17 PM)
tenured*

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:17:59 PM)
full profs after 20 years /may/ make up to 100 grand

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:18:24 PM)
ok if you think thats better thats fine

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:18:26 PM)
but with the economy and several issuses recently they are making a lot less and in faface many of them are taking furhoul days

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:18:48 PM)
((which sucks since I will be a college prof in a few years...))

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:19:05 PM)
oh

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:19:10 PM)
*noticed something else*

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:19:19 PM)
hmm

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:19:27 PM)
you got academics 3

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:19:31 PM)
yeah

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:19:47 PM)
you realize there is /very/ little upward mobility for your char in the unviersity without academics 4?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:20:06 PM)
1= hs, 2= BA/BS 3 =MA/MS 4= PhD

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:20:17 PM)
is she working on her PhD?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:20:34 PM)
really, hmm tells you how often I make pcs that use academics lol

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:20:51 PM)
lol

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:21:09 PM)
lol

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:21:16 PM)
most people who teach at the college level are at least masters, and about half of those are also working towards PhDs

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:21:22 PM)
from my experience

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:21:34 PM)
heh

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:21:38 PM)
depends on what you rae doing

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:21:44 PM)
I would say, cause I dont have the xp to spend she is working on her phd

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:21:50 PM)
Night college teahers are OFTEN Master's holders

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:21:57 PM)
working on their PhD

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:22:20 PM)
Community College= master's minimum

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:22:39 PM)
associate prof, tenure track/tenured = PhD

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:22:42 PM)
well i cant do much about it, not enough points floating around

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:22:49 PM)
hang one seocnd

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:23:11 PM)
you got 9 xp you want to blow?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:23:49 PM)
oh well then...how much is that 6xp for academics 4

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:24:14 PM)
yup

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:24:41 PM)
can I get that then and do I have enough to bump will up?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:24:46 PM)
yes

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:24:50 PM)
just barely

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:25:03 PM)
do that then please and that will get everything settled

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:25:16 PM)
academics speciality?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:25:31 PM)
hmm...suggestions?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:25:55 PM)
what is her PhD in?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:26:11 PM)
Occult studies

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:26:31 PM)
perhaps myths and legends?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:26:37 PM)
philopshy most lightly

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:26:40 PM)
thats a good one thats EG

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:26:42 PM)
or

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:27:04 PM)
pyschology (pear program for example - but thats it not the sort of occult you wnat)

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:27:11 PM)
religion?

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:27:18 PM)
that might fit better

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:27:28 PM)
offten covered under philiosphy i think

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:27:30 PM)
let me double check

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:27:33 PM)
nah myths and legends are more her cup of tea

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:28:10 PM)
kk

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:28:28 PM)
then that -might- be english as well. or anthropology

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:28:33 PM)
sociology....

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:28:37 PM)
antropology yes

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:28:41 PM)
:)

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:28:42 PM)
english for legends

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:28:51 PM)
genderand culture studies

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:28:56 PM)
children's lit

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:28:57 PM)
world lit

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:29:04 PM)
perhaps bachelors in english and masters in anthropology?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:29:05 PM)
whats the best you think?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:29:14 PM)
oh the univeristy of bristol has a myth progrma

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:29:22 PM)
really

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:29:27 PM)
pacifica graduate itnsitute has a phd in mythological studies

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:29:34 PM)
do that

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:29:58 PM)
http://www.gradschools.com/search-programs/term-myths

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:30:28 PM)
being slow hold up

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:30:44 PM)
okay speciality.. PhD..... myths... research..... a certain time peroid of myths... a cetain point in myths

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:32:34 PM)
certain myths in general?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:32:48 PM)
ooh yo ugot to beshitting me

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:32:50 PM)
fuc kfuck

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:33:03 PM)
im not sure there is not a point peroid. i know she focuses on european myths mostly.

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:33:09 PM)
??

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:33:31 PM)
want European Mythology>

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:33:38 PM)
yes please

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:33:44 PM)
alright

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:33:46 PM)
fuck give mea minute

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:33:50 PM)
(my window x'd out the sheet)

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:34:02 PM)
*face palm*

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:34:06 PM)
?

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:34:25 PM)
he's got to reopen the sheet, i think

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:34:30 PM)
ahh

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:35:14 PM)
which university btw?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:35:34 PM)
Loyola, Tulane, or Louisanna Uni

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:35:53 PM)
now I have to look, she was set up for a differnt chat lol

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:36:09 PM)
lol

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:36:31 PM)
unless you have a suggestion

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:36:40 PM)
those the trhree I suggest

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:37:29 PM)
loyola and tulane are smaller universities, correct?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:37:53 PM)
they are private

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:37:59 PM)
and thus smaller yes

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:38:04 PM)
I would advise against loyola though

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:38:16 PM)
catholic university and an mythologyteacher... who does ghost hunting

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:38:18 PM)
they may fire you

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:38:48 PM)
yeah.... so, it comes down to this: do you want more intamacy with students, or do you want a large class, even at night

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:39:17 PM)
It is more likely that LA uni will have night classes, in my opinion than tulane or loyola..but it is your call

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:40:39 PM)
im looking one sec

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:40:42 PM)
kk

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:45:29 PM)
test

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:45:34 PM)
F

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:45:38 PM)
Southern University of New Orleans or University of New Orleans either of those the others are religous based schools that I dont think she will be good in.

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:45:52 PM)
uni of new orlean

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:46:01 PM)
ok

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:46:02 PM)
sorry I was using the old name

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:46:14 PM)
alrightie...

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:46:17 PM)
anything else left?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:47:04 PM)
i dont think so

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:47:55 PM)
EG?

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:48:30 PM)
i did want to know why you had the survival? that's mostly a wilderness thing.

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:49:33 PM)
basic camping, doing different ghost recording areas it helps to know a little bit

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:50:15 PM)
*nods* cool deal. i didnt have anythign else

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:50:23 PM)
kk cool deal

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:50:28 PM)
hey question

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:50:38 PM)
is anyone in here in edit sheets right now?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:50:39 PM)
sure

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:51:00 PM)
I was veiwing not editing but im out now

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:51:13 PM)
nope

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:51:15 PM)
good

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:51:24 PM)
Josie you doing anything important?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:52:01 PM)
just in a scene on another chat but im not in anything at the moment except cleansing an area lol

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:52:10 PM)
kk

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:52:14 PM)
hoping this dont fuck ya too bad

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:52:24 PM)
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Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:52:49 PM)
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Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:52:52 PM)
yay

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:52:53 PM)
there we go

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:52:57 PM)
*applauds*

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:04 PM)
*bows*

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:06 PM)
welcoem to SI Dr. Daniels

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:09 PM)
another mortal to mess.... i mean, ST for!

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:20 PM)
hey we need more victims

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:22 PM)
I mean mortlas

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:26 PM)
*nods*

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:28 PM)
that we do

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:30 PM)
blah

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:32 PM)
lol

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:35 PM)
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Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:53:55 PM)
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Zahtsk. (Jun 10, 2010 9:54:03 PM)
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Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:54:18 PM)
now I play this under sts i like

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:54:34 PM)
good

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:54:37 PM)
yay!

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:55:34 PM)
ok do you need me for anything or can I bounce out of here for the night?

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:56:13 PM)
i'm good

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 9:56:16 PM)
z?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:56:52 PM)
yes?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:56:59 PM)
you should play

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:57:02 PM)
*pokes* here

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:57:05 PM)
not bounce :-P

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:57:29 PM)
lol I can play was just asking if I was really needed lol

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 9:58:30 PM)
aw not really

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 9:59:30 PM)
where should I play, not much of a block party type

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 10:00:11 PM)
it's all up to you. the block party has wound down some, very calm now, if you want to.... perhaps youre a new neighbor?

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:02:01 PM)
maybe I will then

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:02:12 PM)
what neighborhood is it agian?

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:02:14 PM)
i think they are in CC

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:02:42 PM)
whats cc

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:02:48 PM)
central city... I think

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:02:51 PM)
I could be wrong

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:02:54 PM)
I am asking

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:03:09 PM)
ok

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:05:53 PM)
Thats something I should have asked where my house would be

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:06:00 PM)
look at setting

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:06:05 PM)
find a place you like

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:06:10 PM)
your uni is in the north of the city

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:06:13 PM)
its in lakefront

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:11:34 PM)
I think midcity or Lakeview

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 10:12:21 PM)
chose as you wish :) but, i'm gonna log this skin out... too many windows is killing my comp atm. *hugs*

Evil Grinz (Jun 10, 2010 10:12:23 PM)
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Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:12:30 PM)
take your pic hun

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:12:45 PM)
I will, but I think its almost my bedtime

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:12:49 PM)
kk

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:12:51 PM)
pick*

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:12:52 PM)
go sleep

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:13:00 PM)
night and hugs

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:13:02 PM)
((they live in mid city ))

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:13:03 PM)
((For note))

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:13:06 PM)
((luci and lina))

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:13:15 PM)
thats what I was leaning towards

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:14:00 PM)
alrigite

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:14:08 PM)
*hugs and runs off*

Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:14:14 PM)
se a

Josie Daniels (Jun 10, 2010 10:14:15 PM)
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Zahtsk (Jun 10, 2010 10:14:19 PM)
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