Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 2:24:20 PM)
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Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 2:25:27 PM)
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Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 2:25:48 PM)
Ame is gonna come talk to us about it.

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 2:25:53 PM)
k

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 2:48:38 PM)
Ame was supposed to be on her way.

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 2:48:45 PM)
*curls up on*

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 2:49:25 PM)
*pets*

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 2:49:33 PM)
*purrrrss*

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:00:10 PM)
Ok.... Ame was much more than 15 minutes.

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 3:06:53 PM)
way more

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:08:19 PM)
She's here!

Ame (Feb 26, 2011 3:08:32 PM)
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Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:08:40 PM)
Hey Ame.

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 3:08:45 PM)
woot!

Ame (Feb 26, 2011 3:08:48 PM)
(This user is now known as Ame.)

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:08:50 PM)
I just need some help resolving some issues with money.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:08:53 PM)
Ohayoo.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:09:33 PM)
First of all... when someone uses Financial influence to purchase a business... that means they are getting finances for it through loans and other means, not through their own Resources correct?

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:10:54 PM)
They would still use their own resources as well.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:11:27 PM)
Not much though... what is the point of Financial influence if you could just buy stuff with yer own money?

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:11:54 PM)
Financial Influence lets you fund businesses, without having to dig into your own pocket.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:11:58 PM)
To get information, to sway others and pull strings. Buying businesses does require your own resources.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:13:08 PM)
In the forums it says you can use Finance influence to Raise capital to purchase a small business (single, small store)

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:14:13 PM)
The main problem is that I need to have 12k to pay off someone for a service, and all the sudden I am being nickle and dimed and told I don't have the money to do so.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:14:21 PM)
So I need help resolving the issue.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:14:25 PM)
Correct, but you still need to use some of your own resources to do that.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:14:48 PM)
I bought 8 shotguns and 8 kevlar vests and was told it cost $45,000

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:15:30 PM)
I bought a company consisting of 3 service vans of cleaning products and a garage to keep them in and was told it cost me $150,000

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:16:34 PM)
I totally disagree with these things.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:16:56 PM)
I have to come up with $12k between me and Heather.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:17:13 PM)
That is $6k each and should not be a big deal at all.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:17:23 PM)
I have Resources 4 and she has Resources 3.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:17:55 PM)
That does depend on what you've been doing lately with said resources.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:18:16 PM)
I used Financial influence 2 to get funding for a small business.

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 3:18:23 PM)
heather has spent no big ammount of money at all

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:18:25 PM)
I bought 8 shotguns and 8 kevlar vests.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:19:29 PM)
which should have been around $6,400 rather than $45,000

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:20:47 PM)
So... tell me why I wouldn't be able to come up with $6k.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:22:04 PM)
I'm not trying to be argumentative here.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:22:31 PM)
But I am not going to have my character killed because a ST doesn't know how much things cost.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:22:52 PM)
Ya know?

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 3:23:50 PM)
also with how modestly heather lives she would have a fair ammount of her 50 000 assets in savings..

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:24:02 PM)
I've been active 4 months... I made no big expendatures until this last month and the expendatures I made are no where near as much as it is claimed.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:26:51 PM)
You there Ame?

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:26:58 PM)
We didn't hurt yer mind did we?

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:28:12 PM)
I'm actually going to direct you to deemaunik, since he has been handling this from what I just read on the forums. If you have an issue with what -he- is doing, you will have to go to Delirious, who is the HST. The metaphorical chain of command does not mean when you don't like what one ST is telling you, you go around that ST to another one, since Deemaunik and I are both STs. You have purchased 13 shotguns and 13 kevlar vests, a business and other various things. Also, Heather cannot live on nothing, though she could certainly liquidate if she wanted to, which would be losing all resources, which would mean the need to repurchase resources later on. You have made very large expinditures in the last month, so I am more inclined to agree with Deemaunik on this regardless.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:28:28 PM)
Geh.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:28:44 PM)
I never purchased 13 of each! They aren't even on my sheet!

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:29:11 PM)
The business is 3 old vans of cleaning supplies and a garage, which could be rented for all I care!

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 3:29:38 PM)
and 14 000 is alot less than the total 50 000 her resources 3 is worth... at most she would have to sell some of her camera collection and take the rest from savings

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:29:42 PM)
Here, if you can't help me now.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:29:56 PM)
Can you at least say that I did not default on the payment to Azeem.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:30:05 PM)
No, I can't say that.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:30:19 PM)
Until it is resolved with the ST's you want me to talk too.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:30:43 PM)
How can I be held responsible for not being able to hash things out with the ST's quick enough!

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:30:55 PM)
I would figure it out right this moment if the ST's were on!

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:31:06 PM)
I had no idea they were going to give me a hard time about it.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:31:30 PM)
I have Resources 4 and 15k cash! How was I supposed to know it would be a problem???

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:31:34 PM)
You made a deal IC, you have to make sure you can follow through with that deal IC. Deemaunik is responsive via the forums if he is not on at the moment. He just responded to you about 12 hours ago--that is rather quick.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:32:19 PM)
That doesn't help me when the PC is saying that it needs paid off in 24 hours.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:32:23 PM)
Shariq would do that.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:32:54 PM)
But going back and forth in the forums is gonna take longer when I never see the ST online during that time.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:33:04 PM)
Do you understand me at all here?

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:33:48 PM)
I think you need to calm down a bit because it seems like you're getting very upset over this. Time can be played with if necessary. I can tell him that the actual time has to wait on an OOC level until this is resolved. However, I will not tell him that Shariq hasn't defaulted on payment--that will be decided when this is resolved.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:34:15 PM)
All I'm asking is that you say that no actions should be taken until it is resolved as to whether or not I was able to pay the money in the time allotted.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:34:24 PM)
I do not believe that is unreasonable.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:34:31 PM)
Are you refusing to do so?

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:34:52 PM)
Ok ok.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:35:03 PM)
You are not listening to me. For purposes of this issue, time will be suspended until it is resolved on an OOC level.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:35:10 PM)
Thank you.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:35:59 PM)
I was still typing when you responded.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:36:08 PM)
Before that it sounded like you weren't willing to do that.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:36:35 PM)
I just needed to make sure that I'm not penalized for something out of my control.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:36:40 PM)
Thanks Ame!

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:36:56 PM)
You're welcome.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:37:05 PM)
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Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:37:12 PM)
I would still like....er... nevermind.

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 3:37:17 PM)
lol

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 3:37:25 PM)
dont stress

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:37:30 PM)
Well, that wasn't very helpful.

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 3:37:35 PM)
dell willl work it out

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:38:05 PM)
But at least I have time OOC to work it out now.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:38:19 PM)
All over 12k. What BS.

Heather Monrow (Feb 26, 2011 3:38:51 PM)
mmmhmm

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:40:32 PM)
And Ame is not responding to my questions anymore.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:40:34 PM)
*Chuckles*

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:40:38 PM)
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Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:40:41 PM)
Yay!

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:40:46 PM)
What else did you need help with?

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:41:03 PM)
Is there a place in the forums that lists how much money is available depending on your resources?

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:41:36 PM)
How do you think I should attack this problem in a way that will not be misconstrued by the ST's as argumentative and a bad player?

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:43:24 PM)
Do you think I should go through all the IC purchases I made since my character was created, give links to where items like that could be purchased that show how much they cost and show that I am in the black?

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 3:48:11 PM)
I don't recall a place on the forums, no. As for how you handle things? Don't consider it 'attacking' a problem, first of all. If you have discrepancies as to the cost of items, then I would certainly find what you had intended the purchase to be. However, you also have to be able to be polite and not get upset (or appear upset) as you were doing with me. With text, misconstruing tone is easy to do. You have to be willing to work with the ST, and also be willing to accept answers you may not like or agree with if that ends up their final ruling. Remember, you have an advantage with text--you can read it before you hit enter.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:52:04 PM)
I thought they had talked about having the resources being more than they are in the book since inflation since then has been somewhat high.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 3:57:50 PM)
You see anything wrong with the post I made in my thread to resolve the issue?

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 4:01:51 PM)
I think it looks fine.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:03:06 PM)
Sunglasses, Armored Briefcase, Several empty ziplock baggies, vials and syringes, An extensive selection of high end illegal drugs and paraphernalia. At the Underworld Nightclub office: Aquarium of Banded Sea Snakes, Terrarium of Scorpions, Aquarium of Piranhas, Terrarium with a Diamondback Rattlesnake, 8 Shotguns [D8], 8 Kevlar vests [A3P1], 8 Security Suits, 8 Gas Masks

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:03:22 PM)
These I believe are all of the things I've bought since the beginning of the game.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:03:50 PM)
Should I go through, find prices for all of them online and post links to them as well.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:04:00 PM)
Then figure out how much money I made a month.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:04:11 PM)
And show that I made more money than I spent in the last 4 months?

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:04:29 PM)
If I have too I will, but it seemed this was a little looser formate than that.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:04:40 PM)
White wolf resources generally are.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:05:29 PM)
But I'll do whatever is necessary. *Shrugs*

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 4:07:21 PM)
See what deemaunik says to your post. Maybe you'll catch him online and have a chance to chat with him real-time.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:07:38 PM)
kk

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:07:45 PM)
Thanks again then.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:08:02 PM)
I am sorry if I seemed frustrated before.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 4:11:22 PM)
Just make sure you pay attention to what you're saying and the way it could potentially come across to others and you'll be fine. =)

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 4:11:29 PM)
Did you need me for anything else?

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:14:55 PM)
Basically the bottom line is that You thought I spent much more money than I thought I spent. Since the game is run with dots of Resources rather than actual amounts of money it is hard for me to gauge sometimes. Shariq would have made SURE that he had enough money to pay off the Assamite contract left over in the bank before he went ahead with other purchases. If you disagree with my estimates of money he had available vs the amount I spent I am more than willing to have some of the items taken off my sheet until such a time as he would be able to afford them or if they are crazy expensive, not getting them sanctioned at all. However, I would ask that you allow me to pay off the Assamite contract (Shariq does not default on any deals, especially one like this) and instead take off the equipment you think I could not yet have afforded if I was holding that money back.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:15:15 PM)
This look good to you two as a way of wrapping up my post to Dee?

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:16:59 PM)
I guess it was my fault for not posting before that I was going to set aside money for the contract, but I figured I had enough that I didn't hafta worry about it.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 4:19:17 PM)
I think that sounds fine.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:19:29 PM)
Coolies.

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:19:32 PM)
Thanks again!

Shariq Rashidi (Feb 26, 2011 4:19:34 PM)
I'm done.

Ame. (Feb 26, 2011 4:19:40 PM)
Welcome. =)

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Katie Waterston (Feb 26, 2011 6:09:46 PM)
heather darling!!

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