Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:22:58 AM)
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Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:23:08 AM)
Ho hum, ho hum.
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:23:22 AM)
I explained the situation and Ame pointed out a rule we all missed.
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:23:35 AM)
What I have heard is that you bit him without a successful clinch or hold.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:23:51 AM)
Incorrect. Would you like the screenshots, Ame?
Senka Hajjar (Mar 15, 2011 12:23:51 AM)
That is true Azeem broke the hold with 5suxx
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:23:54 AM)
That Azeem broke the hold before your Bite+WP/Bite
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:24:50 AM)
Which is not possible according to page 210 of the core book. "To use a bite attack, the vampire must first performa succesful clinch, hold or tackle maneuver (see below). On the turn following the successful attack, the player may declare the bite attempt and make a roll using the modifier below."
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:02 AM)
(Pg. 210, VtM Corebook)- "To use a bite attack, the vampire must first preform a successful clinc, hold or tackle manuever(See below). ***On the Turn Following The Successful attack, the player may declare a bite attempt and make a roll using the modifiers below***
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:15 AM)
There were two consecutive turns of successful holding.
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:21 AM)
If he breaks your hold, that is not successful.
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:25 AM)
The hold was broken BEFORE you bite
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:25 AM)
With, exactly as described the turn afer a successful hold I bite.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:33 AM)
I only have to grab you -the turn before-
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:41 AM)
-Successfully-.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:42 AM)
As stated very specificly in the book. I'll wait while it is referenced.
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:45 AM)
no you have to have me in a hold WHEN you bite
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:46 AM)
I was successful
Senka Hajjar (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:50 AM)
and the turn you declared a bite he broke free
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:25:52 AM)
His 2 suxx to my 5 at that turn
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:26:02 AM)
Azeem broke the hold with 5 suxx
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:26:07 AM)
The turn AFTER
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:26:10 AM)
If he breaks it, that is not successful and you no longer have a hold.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:26:13 AM)
Which was the turn a Bite move was legal
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:26:15 AM)
You have to keep the hold.
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:26:20 AM)
03/15/11 03:52:35 Alpha White rolls 6 dice vs. diff of 6 to Strength+Brawl: 2, 2, 2, 4, 1, 6 : Failed
03/15/11 03:51:54 Azeem Mansour rolls 9 dice vs. diff of 6 to break hold: 10, 2, 3, 3, 8, 5, 6, 7, 9 : 5 successes
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:26:26 AM)
It specificly does not say that Ame.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:26:36 AM)
Or else all bites would need to be split actions.
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:26:54 AM)
No, you just have to have a successful hold.
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:27:01 AM)
incorrect, if I had scored 3 suxx or less I would have been in the hold
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:27:04 AM)
You need a hold the turn BEFORE.
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:27:07 AM)
because of your potence
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:27:48 AM)
It is written in the core rulebook and there is no stated House Rules on the site. I'd like Ame if you feel that the book was mislabeled or unclear or feeling the decision is thusly, I would like to appeal that decision before Delerious and Deem.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:28:04 AM)
*No stated House Rules reflecting the changes made to the Hold Manuever
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:28:08 AM)
Deem is the same as me, FYI.
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:28:18 AM)
On the phone with Del.
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:28:19 AM)
AFW
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:29:04 AM)
She is coming.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:29:08 AM)
Very well.
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Senka Hajjar (Mar 15, 2011 12:31:22 AM)
Evening Del
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:31:30 AM)
Ok the arguement as I understand it is over if alpha needs to grapple in order to bite?
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:31:38 AM)
Negative.
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:31:46 AM)
If he has to maintain that grapple Through the bite
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:31:50 AM)
Yes
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:31:55 AM)
Azeem broke the grapple before Alpha bite him
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:32:03 AM)
He must have the individual in a grapple before he canbite.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:32:08 AM)
The book specificly says I may declare a bite On The Turn Following a successful Bite.
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:32:23 AM)
The grapple was broken.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:32:38 AM)
But the critera for the manuever were successful. I held him the previous turn.
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:32:48 AM)
Thus you would need to grapple yet again in order to bite.
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:32:59 AM)
And I broke it before you bite me therefore I was not grappled
Senka Hajjar (Mar 15, 2011 12:33:31 AM)
and I have a question, can you use a WP on a bite?
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:33:45 AM)
On the roll?
Senka Hajjar (Mar 15, 2011 12:33:50 AM)
yes
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:33:55 AM)
This is contrary to what is stated as the method for Bite in the book del. If we're changing it to needing to maintain a hold the same turn on the bite, I feel that I should be allowed to change my declare to reflect this new information.
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:34:16 AM)
You can use WP for anything unless its a willpower roll itself.
Senka Hajjar (Mar 15, 2011 12:34:21 AM)
okie
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:34:43 AM)
Alpha, Im telling you right now, you -must- have an individual in a grapple in order to bite.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:34:46 AM)
And, if the Vampire Staff would, at their earlier conveience update the House rules accordingly to needing to maintain the hold on the -turn of- the bite? That way in the future.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:34:51 AM)
This is avoided.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:34:56 AM)
And I did successfully grapple him.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:35:02 AM)
My Hold = 2 suxx to 5 suxx
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:35:03 AM)
Im not writing rules for every single thing, Alpha.
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:35:13 AM)
If that be the case the forums would be nothing but rules.
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:35:19 AM)
And those ARE the rules.
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:35:20 AM)
03/15/11 03:52:35 Alpha White rolls 6 dice vs. diff of 6 to Strength+Brawl: 2, 2, 2, 4, 1, 6 : Failed
03/15/11 03:51:54 Azeem Mansour rolls 9 dice vs. diff of 6 to break hold: 10, 2, 3, 3, 8, 5, 6, 7, 9 : 5 successes
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:35:29 AM)
again I broke the grapple BEFORE your bites
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:35:31 AM)
Alright, so what is your ruling, we pick up the scene from his broken hold?
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:35:34 AM)
The book states you have to have a successful grapple, which can be interpreted as needing to have someone -in- a grapple before you can bite them, Alpha.
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:35:41 AM)
Yep.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:36:14 AM)
A successful grapple on the turn BEFORE Ame.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:36:33 AM)
As a tackle isn't a hold or clinch, but you can bite after it.
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:36:40 AM)
You would still need to keep that hold, Alpha.
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:36:48 AM)
Yep
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:36:51 AM)
What hold is there for tackling? Just saying.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:37:05 AM)
That manuever has no resisted roll to break free or not.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:37:12 AM)
So why/how could you bite after it?
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:37:13 AM)
Was there anything else? I have company and cooking dinner for 6 people.
Delirious. (Mar 15, 2011 12:37:40 AM)
Theres no arguement. You've been told the ruling. So continue your scene.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:38:19 AM)
Not arguing. Just SSIng. Gotta keep up with the rules.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:38:50 AM)
Thank you for your Time, Delerious. Ame- When do we continue the scene?
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:39:04 AM)
You can continue now.
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Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:39:38 AM)
What happens to my turn?
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:39:54 AM)
I get to restate my declare due to the change, correct?
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:40:01 AM)
one more question real quick
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:40:09 AM)
is his holding the grapple an action?
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:40:20 AM)
It is now, it seems.
Senka Hajjar (Mar 15, 2011 12:40:24 AM)
brb
Azeem Mansour (Mar 15, 2011 12:40:25 AM)
thus if he had tried to do something else would that split his pool?
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:40:36 AM)
*looks to Ame*
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:40:49 AM)
You're biting at nothing.
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:40:59 AM)
And we would go to the next round.
Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:41:02 AM)
Very cute. Initiative then.
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:41:12 AM)
Please make the room you had before or go there.
Ame (Mar 15, 2011 12:41:25 AM)
I'd rather not have this in my office log =)
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Senka Hajjar (Mar 15, 2011 12:42:10 AM)
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Alpha White (Mar 15, 2011 12:42:26 AM)
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