Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:02:00 AM)
And sorry about the big post. I'm not trying to rant. Just.. Yeah. *puts her head down* Trying to be thorough.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:02:16 AM)
Okay there was some miscommunicaiton or what have you between me and the st staff, and all the well informed players. Not on my part as far as I can tell. I did post I was bringing in the npc elder if there was not at least 3 challengers. I did not want the elder "to far above you" because he is captain jack.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:02:25 AM)
let me explain a bit more clearly.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:03:02 AM)
I have been speaking to st's like ghostlin and the staff about the npc's and tribal seasonal rituals and politics I wanted to bring in for the three tribes I was going to be working with. Fianna, Fenris and Fang. I have actually put for thought into the things I have been working on. They even knew the date this was happening. I had "no" Idea that they plan on turning the entire sept into a player run sept except for the grand elder. No clue until I was told this the night I ran the fenris challenge. That you all felt cheated by the npc, and felt it was a waste of there time to show. That they killed the previous elder off simply to give you all a chance to take up the reins, that I was oblivious to.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:03:06 AM)
That is point 1
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:03:31 AM)
Point 2 is
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:03:44 AM)
The npc Elder Captain Jack is a Skald. He is there to teach you the lore take you off on the ships and teach you the celebrations of the tribe. I wanted to give you all the ic experience of learning more about the tribe, I wanted to work on chr flaws like those afraid of drowning. I wanted to have seasonal rites especially for the tribe. Captain Jack to me is like the big biker uncle that strolls in out of nowhere. He has the best stories of the Road and of your dads golden years (lore). He shows you how to truly enjoy the holidays with family(season rites). Tells ya the best way to throw that punch!(brawl training) Might take you for a ride on his bike where you never felt so free! (umbral adventures on a umbral sea ship!). But eventually you know uncle jack is not gonna stick around for ever, he's a free spirit and he is gonna get on that bike and you are gonna have to stand on your own two feet. (hes a galliard hes a sea lover he needs to set off in search of lore and glory, staying in one place is not his
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:03:44 AM)
((I had never heard the sept was going entirely player run.. fyi.))
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:04:02 AM)
thing.) Which is why I made him "Captain Jack" Why I made him a "Skald". That will not be there indefinitely but after he's gone he might always sail in and see how you all are doing.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:04:22 AM)
No lukas and nor did i until that moment when i was told durring the challenge i was running
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:05:18 AM)
He's a Skald with Rage 6 and Brawl 5. Sorry I misspoke. >_<
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:05:59 AM)
The problem is with the lay up I had not a single fenris npc for the tribe nor do i have a single npc for the fangs how ever i do have fianna npcs for that tribe. I do Fianna/Fenris/Fang the st staff new i was working on this stuff and no one told men the "master plan" of an all pc sept except for the grand elder.
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:07:11 AM)
Where did you post that you'd bring in an NPC Elder (rather than simply a normal challenger) if there wasn't a third PC to fight?
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:07:36 AM)
I managed to miss that.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:08:59 AM)
I am told its going to just be you guys being the elders and heading off to learn from higher ranking people in distant lands of different septs or some such. I really was confused because i was under the assumption that bringing in the tribal seasonal rites and lores and people you can learn combat specific things from was what they wanted from a tribal st.. And I told them I was working on it. Which I have been.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:09:09 AM)
http://www.sinful-illusions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=2211
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:09:30 AM)
it was way back on dec 11 the scene was on dec 20th
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:11:04 AM)
You said you would likely bring an NPC in to the challenge, since there were only 3 people up for it. You never posted that if the third eligible player had challenged, you'd have skipped it.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:11:11 AM)
but everyone acted like it was a big suprise which totaly threw me for a loop. I have been useing the forums to communicate with everyone I answer all fpms within 12 to 24 hours of reciving them. I post all my scenes in the st forms with dates and times for rooms incase logs need to be pulled. As far as paper work and communication go I have been pretty through i thought
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:11:52 AM)
Neither did you say you'd stack the proverbial deck.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:11:54 AM)
because only two fosterns had answered the challenge
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:12:29 AM)
No no.. I mean right here in this conversation you'd said you posted somethign different than what's up there.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:12:59 AM)
That is where I was told was my biggest mistake.. "Stacking the Deck" and "wasteing the players time when they could not win the challenge"..
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:13:34 AM)
So I will likely be bringing in a NPC to this challenge as it seems only 3 are capable of making the challenge to begin with and only two Fosterns have answered to this challenge thus far.
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:13:42 AM)
"I did post I was bringing in the npc elder if there was not at least 3 challengers." You never said that in the forum.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:13:44 AM)
Because only two had answered to it
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:14:05 AM)
3 could challenge but only 2 where
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:14:11 AM)
so i was bringing in a third
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:14:19 AM)
Cuz if it was contingent on the third answering, Anna would have Fought instead of supporting her packmate.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:14:55 AM)
She should have fought even if she didnt win she should have.
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:15:16 AM)
And I did post on the forum why Anna would not participate. She and Lukas talked it over IC as Packmates, and she decided he was better for the position.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:15:17 AM)
She is wise and glorious..
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:15:24 AM)
You ..never told Her or anyone else that.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:15:43 AM)
I never told her what that she is wise and glorious?
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:16:04 AM)
No, you never told her that she should have challenged. Or that you were only bringing in the NPC -IF- she didn't fight.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:16:08 AM)
or that she needed to challenge?
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:16:27 AM)
You never told anyone that.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:17:00 AM)
*coughs*
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:17:14 AM)
I could ask for those loggs to be pulled if she forgot
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:17:26 AM)
I know the room name and dates there on the forums
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:17:40 AM)
It was durring her rank challenge
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:17:47 AM)
it is "why it was backdated"
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:17:51 AM)
so she "could challenge"
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:18:38 AM)
for "fenris elder" it is why she spent allmost a week at the sept on her challenge but we played it on the 19th 7 hours straight rp
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:18:55 AM)
the day before the fenris challenge
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:19:19 AM)
So I did fully expect her to be challenging
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:19:38 AM)
and only after she told me durring the challenge that she was not challenging did i even have the npc show up
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:21:39 AM)
I will believe you, that you spoke with her and for whatever reason, she chose to skip the challenge regardless. So if you would have been fine with the challenge if she'd participated, where's all this backstory/reasoning on Jack coming from and why is a Skald maxed out on combats and physicals and toting a level 9 Fetish?
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:21:55 AM)
Why not just create a third PC-level challenger?
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:22:16 AM)
its not a level 9 fetish
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:22:42 AM)
the feitsh someone else has is double the strength of his and thats a level 3 fetish
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:23:45 AM)
There is someone with a =14 soak dice for 24 hours fetish?
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:24:57 AM)
Yanno what.. nevermind that, it's irrelevant.
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:25:06 AM)
Just.. why not make the NPC on the same level with the PCs?
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:27:46 AM)
I had previously planned to bring in jack but if a adren wanted to challenge then I was gonna let the chips fall where they may. I again was not told of this "every elder position belonging to a pc except for the grand elder". And the npc was not on the same level as the pcs because then what would he have been able to teach you? He is here to train combat/lores/sacredrituals/ and offer Tribal politics to the three tribes I was given to handle.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:28:37 AM)
Also Skalds can fight and fight extremly well.
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:28:45 AM)
Okay... here's the part that still doesn't mesh. If you only wanted a third challenger (Anna or the NPC), why build an NPC it isn't even Possible to win against?
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:29:27 AM)
didnt think anna would be able to be beaten
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:30:12 AM)
till i was told that her new thing wont be affected by garou even though there part spirit. She had more stamina in war form then my galliard did
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:30:35 AM)
Yeeeaahh.. Spirit skin doesn't work on garou.
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:30:57 AM)
And.. you only brought him in after you -knew- Anna wasn't challenging
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:31:11 AM)
So.. he was Never Going to Fight her.. *is so lost*
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:31:27 AM)
*nods* no you and bastian where going to fight her
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:31:33 AM)
and he wouldnt have been there
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:31:41 AM)
cause you would have had a adren to fight
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:31:46 AM)
So the NPC has monster stats/fetish for..nothing.
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:32:43 AM)
Since..he was built to Equal a PC who wasn't competing and didn't have the advantage you thought she did.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:34:54 AM)
Again that was my mistake, It is how I thought it worked. And it was a lesser degree of it, fetish/tattoo.. But yeah he was built to mirror a pc but he being a skald..
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:43:02 AM)
Built to mirror a PC he didn't have to fight..and you knew that before you even made him. So the rest of it.. I can react to IC. And will. Thank you for talking me through this..
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:43:40 AM)
I don't understand that
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:43:46 AM)
Understand what?
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:44:00 AM)
Built to mirror a pc he didnt have to fight?
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:44:40 AM)
You told me, you weren't bringing in Jack till you found out OOC during the scene that Anna, wasn't fighting.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:45:10 AM)
Yes that is correct so i mirrored annas cool stuff got it..
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:45:15 AM)
I see what you mean..
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:45:32 AM)
So yeah, you created an NPC to counter the one PC you -knew- you wouldn't fight.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:45:38 AM)
Okay well I am sorry to have upset everyone if that means anything
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:46:05 AM)
Trully it was all my fault..
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:46:14 AM)
I have no problem taking the blame.
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:47:28 AM)
I'm not looking to blame anyone Gabby, it doesn't accomplish anything. I'm just trying to understand what happened/went through your head during that scene. And.. the apology does mean something to me.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:47:58 AM)
I do appologise and will try to work with the st team for a solution I appreciate you comming to me with your concearns.
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:48:00 AM)
SO thank you. ^_^ But from here.. quite frankly, it doesn't look good. Jack pissed off the entire Tribe IC..
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:48:23 AM)
You have no idea what was going on in PMs on my screen during and after that. >_<
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:48:45 AM)
I am sure. Well play on player
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:48:53 AM)
Lukas.. will try to track him down and let him know IC.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:48:57 AM)
okay
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:49:09 AM)
Thanks hon. I'll get out of your hair.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:49:10 AM)
More then happy to do that with you..
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:49:27 AM)
Err.. now?
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:49:32 AM)
At another time let me find out what the st team wants at this point. might be a moot point reguardless..
Lukas Vangelis (Dec 23, 2010 12:49:39 AM)
*nods* No prob.
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:49:42 AM)
have fun
Gabby Girl SCENE DND (Dec 23, 2010 12:49:44 AM)
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