Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:07:58 AM)
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Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:08:54 AM)
*was awake, mug of coffee in hand, looked like he'd slept little, if all, seemed to be waiting though*
Rabbit Thorn-in-Side (Aug 22, 2011 10:10:18 AM)
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Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:11:06 AM)
*he heads down the steps, clearly havine been awake for some time, including his morning workout and a shower..his hair's still wet as he heads for the kitchen for food* Mornin Tris. *giving a half grin*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:13:27 AM)
"Morning." *said flatly, eyed Lukas from the coffee table*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:14:08 AM)
*quirks a brow at that, pulling the fridge open* What's up?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:14:56 AM)
"Nothin, just wondering when you think you're gonna move out with the new pack folks and all."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:17:31 AM)
*pauses at that..closing the fridge absently, his brows furrowing* Thought that wasn't what you wanted? You seemed fine with Kit and Keenan while they were helping the pack..
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:18:17 AM)
"Even if I was, thought you still wanted to leave."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:18:46 AM)
"Or are you that whimsical about where the rest of us stand in your book? " *said, terribly, calmly*
Rabbit Thorn-in-Side (Aug 22, 2011 10:18:56 AM)
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Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:19:26 AM)
*and picked up his mug, green eyes with a gaze much askin to something you might suspect his father had worn, on Lukas*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:19:33 AM)
(akin)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:20:15 AM)
*he'd been about to answer when Tris shot the last line at him, and he sets his jaw instead, eyeing his alpha* ... Why the hell would you say that? I've been nothing but loyal to Relentless.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:20:41 AM)
"Well triators are loyal to an end, of sorts.."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:22:03 AM)
*almost visible bristling at that* Tristan, wanting to teach cliath isn't a betrayal.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:22:11 AM)
"No, just the easy way out"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:22:24 AM)
"Fair, I'll stand corrected" *with a dismissive wave of his hand*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:22:50 AM)
Easy way out? What the hell's easy about starting a new pack?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:23:05 AM)
"Fresh slate, you adren and them cliath , no chllanenge to your authority at all"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:23:13 AM)
"At least not for a long while, especially should you make athro"
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:24:00 AM)
I never said I'd only take cliath. But at this point, damn near all Relentless is Adren. We're supposed to be teaching the younger wolves. It's what -you- taught -me-.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:24:46 AM)
"Look, its fine. just let me know when you're going. I'll find someone else who was worth of the respect I once gave Kelda."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:25:00 AM)
(is, worth. lord)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:26:35 AM)
Kelda..your old alpha? What the h.. *his head jerking sharply to one side as if he hadn't heard Tristan correctly* You're looking for a new alpha?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:26:52 AM)
"No, just saying you arent worth that compliment I once mistakenly gave you."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:27:52 AM)
Because I want to teach? What the fuck logic is that? *his voice doesn't raise, Lukas' tone lowers instead, though his expression darkens*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:28:05 AM)
"I'll know better to reserve judgement for a ways longer the next time I find myself in the company of a Fenrir Modi. I appriciate the lesson. You have taught one already. See?"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:28:19 AM)
"Well on your way Lukas, well on your way."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:30:51 AM)
*and set his mug down, waiting on the Fenrir's reaction with what looked like probably an infuriating calm and patience*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:33:12 AM)
*a wordless growl as he grips the edge of the counter under his hand, the other spread flat on the surface to help resist the urge to punch it* Damn you for this, Tristan. I wanted to stay on good terms with you. Out of respect. I have never seen..*shaking his head as if denying the evidence before him* Could never have known you were capable of being so.. Petty. *flashing teeth on the word, as if he could spit it out*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:33:52 AM)
"I'm capable of quite a lot I wager you're unaware of. But I would hardly be the first alpha to be so."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:34:25 AM)
(hrm , rolling per + empt to see if i'm geetting lukas in the right direction of wanting to challenge this asshole that is tristan today)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:34:39 AM)
(2 suxx)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:37:47 AM)
((This particular tack is more likely to drive him away entirely. More likely he'd fight if Tris were giving up on the pack or the pack was in danger. He won't lose it for his own sake))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:38:02 AM)
(ahh, whoops)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:38:30 AM)
"Though I do have a request..if you'll hear it."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:38:41 AM)
*decided thus, to switch tacks having slightly misjudged the fenrir's temper*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:38:51 AM)
*staring at his alpha, anger and betrayal stinging* I can be out tonight..if that's what you're asking.. *darkly*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:39:10 AM)
"No, actually, not at all. I'm asking that you extend the invitation to Andy perhaps to join your pack."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:39:23 AM)
"Or at least, consider it of his own merits, instead of your anger at me."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:40:31 AM)
Andy wouldn't leave you.. *dead certainty*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:40:54 AM)
"I'll be damn shocked if Andy actually wishes to follow me and lex to Georgia"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:41:05 AM)
"Because Axe and Rabbit and you aren't following."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:41:43 AM)
"Asides from that, I'm not sure myself and Andy can carry the totem's requirements alone. I dont think we're given a choice here. But, such is life."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:42:36 AM)
You're splitting the pack? Why? You've still got a strong number..even if Axe, Rabbit, and Anna are usually busy elsewhere. You and Andy are Adren, you can carry a lot.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:42:48 AM)
"Not for a war pack lukas."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:42:57 AM)
"A ragabash and a philodox do not a war pack make."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:43:09 AM)
You were a War pack without an Ahroun before.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:43:14 AM)
"And I dont have the .patience, any longer to train anyone else to join. I might go seek my former totem Dana."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:43:26 AM)
*who if lukas knows anything knows that's such a far cry from weasel that it's kinda ...wtf*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:43:51 AM)
"There does come a time to give it up Lukas"
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:43:55 AM)
Dana?? *shaking his head as if to clear it* You'd abandon Weasel?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:44:06 AM)
"One only holds to something so long before it starts to look as if one's a rabid dog."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:44:25 AM)
(per + emp see if this track is better)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:44:42 AM)
(08/22/11 14:44:35 Tristan Redgrave rolls 6 dice vs. diff of 6 to per + emp: 7, 10, 8, 5, 8, 4 : 4 successes )
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:46:05 AM)
And the rest of the.. *and Tristan's found it, righteous anger joining with the Modi's rage* Were you tainted in the Scar?! *moving around the counter toward Tristan, almost -hoping- to find evidence of the Wyrm within the Gaian now*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:46:54 AM)
*nope, no wyrm taint, perhaps to Lukas' dismay, did stand up as Lukas came around the table* "I dont think one requires being tainted to realize certain facts of reality Lukas"
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:48:19 AM)
Facts? Like the -fact- that you would abandon your duty to your pack and totem for some imagined life in Georgia??
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:48:48 AM)
"Call it as you wish, I dont find it to be imaginary at all"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:49:09 AM)
*voice didnt raise as he replied, just looked back at Lukas, looking his best to attemp that "empty shell of a guy" look*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:51:24 AM)
I was still going to stay with Weasel! Did you know that? I was going to create a sister pack for Relentless, going to request lands near these.. I -never- wanted to leave!! *the Modi grabbing hold of Tristan's shirt and hauling him upward if the 'dox doesn't resist* And you!! You'd Throw Away the faith and loyalty of your own pack!!??!! You don't deserve them!! *finally his voice is raised, the ahroun shaking Tristan as if the insanity would fall away*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:51:53 AM)
*he didnt resist, shaken rather easily* "I never did lukas."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:57:20 AM)
*horror at the shell Tristan presents, disbelief losing ground in the face of his rage at the betrayal, his voice deathly cold* I challenge you for Alpha of this pack, Shadowbreak. We are not at war, and you are.. an embarassment to Weasel, and to those who trusted you.. *pain in the black eyes for only an instant, Lukas is very very good at burying it in his anger* Choose your trial.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:58:10 AM)
"Accepted. Fist fight, in glabro, till one or the other of us is on the floor. Neither of us to permanently injure the other."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 10:58:52 AM)
"Gifts, and all other such, permitted"
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 10:59:55 AM)
*one eye narrowing as he puts Tristan back on his own two feet, shoving his alpha backward lightly* You've got to be joking. *deadpan, oh yeah, the Modi knows that Tris is setting himself up to lose*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:00:10 AM)
"Were you not serious about your challenge?" *and shoved back this time*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:00:24 AM)
"Do you not think that's the kind of challenge that rules when the totem is weasel?"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:01:47 AM)
"Or should we sit here and banter which one of us is the wittier instead?"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:05:17 AM)
"Look, I'm the chalengee and that's garou law. so either we do this or I go the fuck upstairs and pack already."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:06:04 AM)
*one side of his lips pull back from his teeth* Broken a moment ago, and now you're cocky? Perhaps the Wyld's touched your mind instead.. *he shakes his head* I issued challenge. My -alpha- would know that I don't take them back. Outside though.. I can't afford to pay Anna back for the loss of her livingroom.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:07:37 AM)
*and would head out for the backyard then, silently, away from the koi pond and really, all the other neat stuff. picked the area of the yard that used to be the summer veggie garden and hadn't been replanted for fall*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:08:38 AM)
*follows Tristan one last time*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:11:12 AM)
(14b8)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:22:21 AM)
((Spirit of the fray, I can't get beneath a 18.))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:22:39 AM)
(then you go first. *amused* i'll declare a punch/punch and one rage)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:22:44 AM)
(so, go!)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:24:08 AM)
((punch/knee/kick. And spending rage as well. Rollin!)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:26:52 AM)
((3/1/2 to hit, so all three connect. No dodges declared= soak 2/5/3))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:27:00 AM)
(soaked 2 and took 8)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:27:19 AM)
*and before Tristan even got a return punch in, hit the ground out cold*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:28:11 AM)
*watching his alpha start toward him, Lukas steps into it, connecting first with a body shot and kneeing the Gaian when he instinctively curls, kicking him to the ground and standing over the man, breathing shallowly more from his temper than the exertion*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:28:50 AM)
*he would never tell that he hadn't activated a single gift or fetish..he's not the gloating sort*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:31:10 AM)
*it took him a few to start coming round, as he seemed to take stock of the current state of things, and from the ground* "Congrats."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:32:00 AM)
*and opened one eye, wondering if Lukas was still furious enough to hit him again, if he was mad, he was damnably sane now*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:34:44 AM)
*is crouched beside Tristan* Did you get whatever insanity that was out during your nap? *barefoot as always, it's only been moments since he went down*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:35:24 AM)
"Hm, depends on how you look at it. But, we can say yes. Are you calm enough for a talk?" *sitting up*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:35:53 AM)
I don't know. *candidly* Are you going to talk sense?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:35:56 AM)
"Becasue if so, I owe you a fair many apologies, and an explanation."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:35:59 AM)
"I'm going to try to."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:37:57 AM)
*and he rolled to his side to get up with a slight grunt*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:38:43 AM)
*and he regarded lukas for a moment before he spoke* "First, i apologize for everything I said. other than the fact I dont deserve my pack, not a lick of it was truth.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:39:25 AM)
Second, I apologize for the method I've just used to get you to challenge me. Granted, it probably would have been easier if I'd gone with the second tactic first, although thef irst is what wuld have gotten *me* to challenge for alpha and therein lies my own mistake.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:40:13 AM)
And Third, well, not an apology but an explanation. I am mad, probably, of a sort, but of the sort who can't deal to see the pack broken up. And I know that even if we took the cliath, you want to lead, and you wouldn't challenge me if I didnt screw something up.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:40:29 AM)
So I screwed something up, also knowing that there's no way you'd ever let me just hand alpha over.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:41:15 AM)
I do not apologize for choosing a fight with you because FUCK you hit hard.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:42:08 AM)
*and to him* "Given that my choices were watch the pack split up, or do something amazingly assholish and stupid, i hope you can forgive me, perhaps. eventually."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:53:51 AM)
*the Modi watches Tristan the entire time, listening behind a somewhat more guarded expression than Tristan has seen from him before.* I didn't think the pack would split over my leaving. I still don't. Relentless was around long before I showed up. *quietly* And you're still wrong. You deserve a pack that backs you up without question, and it's what you had. *shifting his jaw as he considers*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:55:34 AM)
*and he paused, waiting for lukas' reaction before saying the rest, as there was clearly more*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:56:02 AM)
You were right about one thing though.. but not for the reasons you claimed. Starting a new pack is the easier way to do things. Not because I couldn't stand to be challenged..but because it's easier to teach those who are further behind you.. They're more willing to listen.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:57:05 AM)
"Well, possibly." *frowned a little, gathering he probably wasn't getting forgiven for this one* "But even so, were that not at issue, of the two of us, all other issues not withstanding, I'd have said you should be alpha"
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 11:57:51 AM)
*a tilt of his head at that, gaze tightening* ..Why?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:57:59 AM)
"Two fold."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:58:11 AM)
"One, last night. in Scar. you were ready when the time was right and I wasn't. I wanted to hang back and analyze"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:58:20 AM)
"That, was not the moment for it and I realized it shortly after."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:59:02 AM)
"Two, Alpha is not something I ever readily wanted. I took it the first time because I couldn't abide by what the then alpha, David, was doing. I never challenged LLew or Kelda. But I did it because there was noone else in my opinion who *could* at the time"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 11:59:37 AM)
"It was something I became accustomed to, as the members we've brought in since, have...not wanted nor do I honestly for all their wonderful qualities, think them to be ready to be alphas. With the exception of you."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:00:10 PM)
So, why take the title back from Anna?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:00:50 PM)
"Because Anna is not around even as much as my largely absent self, and because anna didnt want it really either. That and she doesnt.....she is strong willed but she is very isolated from the rest of us"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:01:48 PM)
"She to my understanding, didnt want to lead a war pack. Which is, still, what we are some semblance of being."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:02:03 PM)
"And if nobbody wants to do it, well, that's often what you'll find me doing."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:02:04 PM)
*nods lightly, having recognized the same, rubbing the stubble on his cheek with his knuckles in a thoughtful gesture Tris has seen Lukas do a hundred times in the past months.. Looks like he's coming down off his guard gradually*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:02:49 PM)
"Mind you, I adore Relentless, and I have no intentions of leaving, in actuality, but leading them was......never what I wanted before Kelda and Llew both died and Shades of Truth was not there to handle things."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:02:57 PM)
"Or rather llew didnt die but youg et what i meant"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:03:54 PM)
"Well, that and I"m a stubborn idiot and other asundry nonsense applies but, you get I hope where I'm going with this"
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:05:01 PM)
Maybe. I'm a slower thinker outside a fight. I like to take my time with shit. *watching Tristan with black eyes* .. I still think you're nuts.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:06:02 PM)
*a flicker of a one-sided smile* Maybe that's what Weasel looks for though. *the smile doesn't stay long, but it's a good sign Tris hasn't done -irreparable- damage*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:06:16 PM)
*paused a moment and looked thoughtful* "I probably am. And it may well be."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:06:34 PM)
"Noone in relentless, has been particularly sane. and we only threw out one for their insanity"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:07:00 PM)
"Actually you and Andy and Anna I believe are remarkably sane given the pack's prior track record."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:07:25 PM)
Scary thought.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:07:51 PM)
"Slightly. But, I do apologize. And I relaize you dont think the pack would split, but, while you probably want to deck me some more right now, I do still consider you my brother."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:08:13 PM)
"And i know you wanted a sister pack, but..i know relentless has some issues, that we need to fix. and teaching cliath is something we should be doing. and leading is something you should be doing"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:08:48 PM)
"And I know that I will admit in my insanity, it's never been the same between myself and Llew since he couldn't gain entrance back into Relentless. I....didnt want to see the same happen between us."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:09:02 PM)
You seemed pretty damned pissed when I brought it up the first time, while I was still in Germany. It's the only thing that made the rest of this even slightly believable.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:09:32 PM)
"That, was not an act. I admit, that, i was caught off guard and reacted in anger. which, i apologize for that too"
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:11:06 PM)
*an eyeroll and an offered hand* Quit apologizing. Come on old man, get to your feet and shift to something so you can heal. Weasel's got no use for cripples. *that..might have been humor*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:11:23 PM)
*stood up and did shift up to glabro*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:11:31 PM)
*and took Lukas' hand to pull himself up*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:12:13 PM)
*and took off the very odd looking belt that he'd been wearing, which looks i believe like white rope braided (i think it's unicorn hair?) *and offered it to Lukas* This, needs to be attuned to you now by the way.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:12:25 PM)
It's useable only by the pack alpha. the smaller bracelets are for the other pack members.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:12:35 PM)
*rises with him* I think.. I get where you were coming from. . The belt Leaf gave ya?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:12:45 PM)
*nodded* and, i hope, if you...want to ask me more feel free.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:12:59 PM)
I dont much like decieving pack members so i'd rather.you not feel i've held anything back from hence forward.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:14:01 PM)
After this? Probably a good idea. I'd do my damnedest to wipe the floor with you if I caught you lying at this point.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:14:18 PM)
I've never lied to you before today, I have no intentions of ever doing so again.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:14:45 PM)
But, given that I'd rather walk into malfeas before loosing any more of my pack to anything, even strange distance like llew? this was easy in comparison.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:15:24 PM)
"And dont berate me for saying that so lightly. it's not. i've seen a gate to it."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:15:29 PM)
*rubbing at the stubble on his cheek again, considering Tristan* For the record.. I'm sorry for the shit I said. I'm glad you ain't lost your mind.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:15:44 PM)
"Ah, forgiven." *small smile*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:16:30 PM)
I didn't want to oust you from Alpha, Tris. I really didn't. Anna? I could have challenged.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:16:35 PM)
I know you didnt.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:16:51 PM)
But I wanted you to.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:17:23 PM)
You took a chance on an unknown cliath, who was a sad fuckin excuse for a Modi. I know Anna was alpha then..but I also know the whole pack warmed up once -you- decided I was okay.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:17:26 PM)
The fact that you *would* when absolutely needed proves to me all the more that you *should*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:17:58 PM)
well, i do anticipate on challenging your ass for beta. someday far in the future when you've forgiven me.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:18:22 PM)
and that was less about me being alpha..i think
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:18:31 PM)
and more about me..id ont know. folks like me sometimes and i aint just figured out why yet.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:18:44 PM)
*shook his head* nevermind, that came out all wrong
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:19:04 PM)
"Either way, the rest of the pack knew Anna was temporary."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:19:21 PM)
"We never pretended anything otherwise. I guess perhaps we didnt...explain that well to you and I forgot about it"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:19:36 PM)
"But she was in charge mostly so I could go sober the fuck up for a while and not be truly mad. Because I was. when we first came here."
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:22:35 PM)
*listening to Tristan ramble from an unaccustomed point of view brings a crooked smie to Lukas' face*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:24:18 PM)
*rubbed at the untrimmed goatee on his chin for a moment, not sure where to ramble from that point forward, glanced at lukas and seemed relieved to see him grinning*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:24:44 PM)
((Err Smile. Dunno what a smie is and I don't want it on me.))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:24:48 PM)
(lol)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:25:44 PM)
I don't think..that you challenge me for beta. I think you just challenge anyone who thinks they'll take it from you.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:26:10 PM)
Oh, as in I have it as of the moment? hah. Go fig. I never was a beta, oddly, enough...*chuckled softly*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:26:42 PM)
*he snorts* Hell of a lot of rage at the top end of this pack.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:26:52 PM)
"But now I really am rambling. Some of it I wonder if there's things I havent told you, that i ought, for things to make more sense"
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:27:01 PM)
"And some of it i'm sure i've told you fifteen times. but i cant recall which is which."
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:27:12 PM)
*to Lukas* "We are both still much tamer than kelda ever was. Weasel will be fine with it"
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:27:57 PM)
It's okay. I'll sort out which is which. *he lifts a brow* I'm tame? Shit. Gotta work on that..
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:28:36 PM)
“only compared to kelda. who was...well i have no idea how she managed to sometimes even appear half sane”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:28:48 PM)
“I dont meet...too many garou that angry. perhaps only once one more so.”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:28:53 PM)
“i’m not sure i’d aspire to that.”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:29:08 PM)
Enh. You respected her. Got to be something to that.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:29:53 PM)
*still holding the braided white belt* The hell does this do, anyway?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:30:01 PM)
Yeah but, I respected her because of her training. she was a very well *aimed* loose cannon. and it lets you share abilities between the pack
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:31:23 PM)
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Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:31:35 PM)
(sorry back, missed any replies)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:32:07 PM)
((Wb!)) Hunh.. I don't remember using it..
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:32:22 PM)
We didnt,
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 12:32:27 PM)
really.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 12:32:35 PM)
Oh. That'd be why.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:07:04 PM)
.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:07:11 PM)
((Yay, still connected.))
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:08:07 PM)
Guess I'll learn to. Maybe ask Leaf about it. Though..isn't a Child of Gaia thing? I mean, are they going to be okay with me having it?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:09:39 PM)
You lead a mostly child of gaia pack
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:09:44 PM)
and a child of gaia is willingly giving it to you
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:09:47 PM)
i’ll kick their asses if they arent.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:10:29 PM)
Mostly.. Hell I do. How'd all you guys sneak in?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:10:54 PM)
“With a grin and a wink”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:11:39 PM)
*he snorts lightly* Well.. we don't know what Mama is. I can always claim she might be Gaian.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:11:42 PM)
“Actually i was the only child of gaia at the sept in magid when I got relentless to take me..”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:11:51 PM)
“And then we snagged andy and now you snagged races.”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:12:01 PM)
“You only get the crazy coggies, by the way”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:12:18 PM)
I sort of did. You think he and Runs are solid?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:12:25 PM)
“I think so, they did exceptionally well”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:12:31 PM)
Races is a renunciate, like me.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:12:32 PM)
“Me and andy actually already talked to them about joining up”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:12:35 PM)
“So he told us”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:12:38 PM)
Good.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:12:42 PM)
“I told him i was fine with that and i didnt care that he was”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:12:54 PM)
*and looked amused as lukas might put 2+2 of talking to them then pulling the ruse quickly together*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:13:19 PM)
.. What'd you ask them?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:13:34 PM)
“If they were alright with metis in the pack”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:13:47 PM)
“And if they understood that pack is family, and family is pack”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:14:18 PM)
They seemed squared away. I can't imagine either of them having an issue with those concepts.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:14:21 PM)
“I know Axe and Rabbit are off right now, but, Keenan is fianna. Wanted to know if he and I were going to come to odds at it.”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:14:32 PM)
“He’s, fianna but liberal, for them. I can deal with that”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:14:37 PM)
“And they dont”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:14:42 PM)
“But I’ve always asked.”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:14:46 PM)
“I’m sure I asked you at some point”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:14:49 PM)
I remember.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:15:01 PM)
“Really that..came about as a result of a walker, the second one”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:15:07 PM)
“Only person i have ever thrown out of the pack”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:15:16 PM)
He had a problem with Metis?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:15:31 PM)
“She, actually and no, she had a problem getting that pack was family”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:15:40 PM)
“That you couldn’t backstab us one oment and expect our support the next”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:15:46 PM)
*cocks a brow*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:15:47 PM)
“Nor that you should keep pack laundry within the pack.”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:15:56 PM)
Eggh. Gossips.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:16:10 PM)
“She was crazy. But she made it a point to divide the pack. and no not gossips. she decided to mock the galliards when i was speaking to them”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:16:17 PM)
“Because of something i did she disagreed with. “
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:16:38 PM)
You were apha?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:16:39 PM)
“You dont mock your own packmates in front of the galliards. you take them aside and handle it yourself.” *snorted*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:16:41 PM)
“Then? no”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:16:46 PM)
((alpha))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:16:50 PM)
“David was. A shadowlord Theurge.”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:17:00 PM)
“Kelda was alpha, then she died. Llew took over. Llew died. Then David took over.”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:17:11 PM)
“Axe and Rabbit had joined by then. A waker named Kaylee had as well”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:17:11 PM)
Hunh
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:17:22 PM)
“Who was crazy and tearing the pack apart. David sided with her, consistently”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:17:45 PM)
“He was, convinced, that he could redeem her, while she at the same time played politics, backstabbed me in public, and drove both myself and the truth catcher to our wits ends dealing with her”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:18:09 PM)
“I and a ward of mine saved her life once and she couldn’t be bothered to so much as give us a polite nod over the matter.”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:18:10 PM)
You're right. That's far more malicious than gossip.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:18:35 PM)
“It was. She was crazy. and at one point I am very certain Weaver Tainted.”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:18:56 PM)
“I, Rabbit, and Axe, noen of us got along with her although I was actively constantly in conflict against her.”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:18:57 PM)
*he shakes his head* Look, while we're at this, I got something I want you to know.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:19:01 PM)
“oh?”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:19:06 PM)
“Sorry i was rambling.” *shut up*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:19:45 PM)
Nah, you were fine. Just. This has potential to blow up pretty nasty, and I need it to stay quiet. You and me, variety quiet, for now.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:19:58 PM)
“You want me to publicly say i’m alpha for now?” *confused*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:20:04 PM)
“Or you want to simply not tell anyone how it happened?”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:20:11 PM)
Noo..no. Nothing to do with this. Not because I don't trust the rest..but because Andy's going to be so goddamned happy, he'll blow it up.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:20:17 PM)
Kaia's with me.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:20:24 PM)
And I don't mean as my ward.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:20:26 PM)
*and laughed,happily*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:20:35 PM)
*and patted lukas on the back* “I figured as much. but i’ll say nothing”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:20:40 PM)
The problem is, Mark.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:20:46 PM)
“Oh, what about it?”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:22:03 PM)
She hasn't been with him in months, but technically, they never broke things off. She's been putting it off to try and let him settle in as Tribal Alpha before the shock to his system.. There's more to it than that, mostly a lot of headache and heartache..but that's yeah. The situation just sucks. *wincing lightly*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:22:26 PM)
*he nodded, understandingly* “I”ll keep it quiet. although kaia needs to fix that”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:22:37 PM)
“Or it will blow up eventually no matter how quiet it remains”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:22:39 PM)
Short of hitting her, he's done just about everything wrong that he could have.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:22:47 PM)
“Doesnt shock me. I dont like the man”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:23:12 PM)
“I hate that i’ve been absent enough i dontk now whose in power and an issue and who isn’t but ir emember the conversation with him over Crom.”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:23:15 PM)
“And a few before”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:23:33 PM)
*he shakes his head* And yeah, I've been on her to talk to him. I gave her two more weeks. That's it. I don't care if she opens up and announces we're together..but she's got to cut things off with Mark.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:23:44 PM)
*nodded* wise.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:23:52 PM)
But I will keep my mouth utterly shut. I do understand.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:24:17 PM)
((OOC, it's been mostly because tpo will blow up or metagame, and because tpo Kaia had enough RL shit on her plate that she couldn't deal with it.))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:24:25 PM)
((that’s not cool))
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:24:28 PM)
((Or Lukas would have put a stop to that shit AGES ago.))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:24:35 PM)
((but if he blows up IC well, we can handle it IC)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:24:46 PM)
Thanks. ((It's the OOC blowup she couldn't handle.))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:24:49 PM)
(you wants me to learn that rite of making a place spiritually dead for a while? it’s a convinient way to get rid of someone)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:24:50 PM)
(ah)
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:25:08 PM)
*nodded* Let me know if you need me to do something. I wont stick my nose in, but..i will back you as you need.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:25:24 PM)
Also, good choice. *smirk*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:25:49 PM)
What? Keeping Andy out of the loop? *he snorts*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:25:58 PM)
I meant Kaia
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:26:01 PM)
*and he laughed again*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:26:19 PM)
*chuckles* No shit, right? Turns out she's sort of been carrying a torch for a while.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:26:31 PM)
Um, I kinda figured, no offense.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:26:50 PM)
*slight smirk*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:26:55 PM)
Yeah.. I just had too much I had to place before Her. You know..my brother, the whole making Adren deal.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:27:05 PM)
*nodded* no, I get it, entirely.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:27:06 PM)
She deserves someone who will put her first.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:27:47 PM)
*he nods* So.. *a grin* I can put her right with the Pack at this point. Since..well, she IS pack.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:28:28 PM)
*nodded* indeed.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:28:33 PM)
And glad to have her, frankly.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:29:15 PM)
I've finished what I said I would, and I can give her what she deserves. And for whatever crazy reason, I seem to be what she wants. Neither of us want more kids anytime soon, so don't worry about adding a new wing on the damn house.. *chuckles*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:29:31 PM)
Three is enough.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:29:52 PM)
“We may have to anyways but, I’m glad three is enough”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:30:02 PM)
“About 7 years from now I think I wont have any brown hair left at this rate”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:30:17 PM)
*and sort of glanced “up” as if looking at his hair although he couldnt, which was well a fourth grey*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:31:02 PM)
Yeah.. she's got a lot of ..pets. You think the pack could handle learning Scent of Man?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:31:31 PM)
I think we could.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:31:59 PM)
Although I think it’s you and me who are the worst of the bunch who’ll have to
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:32:11 PM)
“Oh..” *paused as if remembering something* did you keep that hat, lukas?
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:33:11 PM)
Yeah, I already learned it. *lifting a brow* Yeah, it's in my room at the moment. *a grin* I like it. It ain't a cowboy hat, but it's sort of cool.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:33:28 PM)
“I dreamed about it all last night. I hope you know”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:33:37 PM)
“And by dream, i mean not the nice kind”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:33:44 PM)
*chokes back a laugh, but still snorts*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:33:57 PM)
“What?! I’m telling you, make sure that damn thing isn’t a bane trap in disguise!”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:33:58 PM)
You're shitting me. It's a hat!
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:34:03 PM)
“i am not shitting you!”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:34:16 PM)
HAT!! *laughing loud now*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:34:17 PM)
“I spent the entirety of last night in the yard as a lupus getting eaten by fleas and dreaming about that goddamn hat!”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:35:24 PM)
*snickering* Oh that's a picture. Speaking of which..how much longer is that?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:37:59 PM)
“Another ..three weeks i think”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:38:06 PM)
“Give or take a little’ * With this miserable look*
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:38:24 PM)
(it was a month from andy’s challenge. which i think it’s been a week? so 3 more?)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:39:31 PM)
*stifles the laughter* That sucks. Seriously.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:39:36 PM)
If it makes you feel better..
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:40:09 PM)
“eh it got andy his adren challenge. andy got me my first one..i call it even.”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:40:14 PM)
“although what might make me feel better?”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:40:14 PM)
Last time I had to do some really unpleasant chiminage..I agreed to let a Nightmare spirit haunt me for 2 weeks straight. RIGHT as Kaia started sleeping over.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:40:20 PM)
“I remember that”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:40:29 PM)
“I felt rather bad for you at the time. at least it isn’t that”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:40:39 PM)
“Although I’ve had enough bad visions i dont think i’d personally make a deal with a nightmare spirit”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:40:40 PM)
Mmhm. Picture it. She finally gets intimate, and I can't stay with her.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:40:53 PM)
“Yup. sound about right. Damn”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:41:01 PM)
It's Weasel's luck, I say.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:41:06 PM)
“I was abotu to say the same”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:41:33 PM)
So I figure I'll talk to Kit and Keenan about meeting Weasel if they're amenable.
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:44:43 PM)
Though..we'll need to talk to her to sort out the alpha thing, yeah?
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:46:03 PM)
“Weasel? it’s more of a, we let her know whats up”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:46:15 PM)
“Generally the totem doesnt object as long as we’re doing this for the pack and to keep our shit in order”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:46:38 PM)
“If i’d actually given up yeah, she might kick my ass, but otherwise, it hink we’re alright”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:46:48 PM)
*rubbed at his face* “and yes, i would talk to them about that very thing”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:51:00 PM)
She'd have to wait in line behind me, clearly. *he shakes his head* Truth is.. I probably don't hide what I'm thinking enough.
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:51:18 PM)
“Most honest folks dont”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:51:30 PM)
“I understand the frustration, truly, i do”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:51:50 PM)
“But my reply is to only change as little, and as few times as you have to to get by”
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:51:58 PM)
“Course, that’s probably ironic coming from me today but, well.”
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:54:08 PM)
I wear my damn heart AND my head on my sleeve. *he snorts*
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:54:58 PM)
((I need to put kids to bed IRL))
Tristan Redgrave (Aug 22, 2011 1:57:21 PM)
(we can call it?)
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 1:58:11 PM)
((Sure. They're on good terms again, I'm okay with that. You?))
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 2:01:30 PM)
((Back in a bit!))
Lukas Vangelis (Aug 22, 2011 2:01:33 PM)
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