Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 12:17:10 PM)
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Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:17:19 PM)
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Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:18:49 PM)
*knocked softly on the door to the GE's office that morning, holding two cups of coffee in one hand, and knocking on the door with his cane with the other. Dressed in rumpled clothes and looked like he hadn't slept*

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 12:21:10 PM)
*Travis was working on a lot of paperwork. Most of it related around issues with Lars' death, as well as the constant demands from Stalks-the-Fey over security updates.* When he heard the knock he responded quickly looking forward to a break from the busywork he's been doing as of late* The door is always open.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:24:03 PM)
*he stepped in and offered the cup of coffee first* "If, you, have a few minutes, Travis-Rhya?"

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:24:16 PM)
*seemed hestitant, instead of the usual run in, and take charge*

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 12:28:46 PM)
*he smiled as the other Philodox of unicorn entered, and he nodded to the coffee, it's been a long morning already and it will probably be long into the day before he was done* Coffee sounds good Frostbrand.. Have a seat and tell me what's on your mind brother. *he motioned to a rather confortable recliner that seems to seen better days due to rather angry garou that come to vent their problems on the Grand Elder and highest ranked Philodox within a hundred or so miles*

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:31:08 PM)
*set the first cup down on the Ge's desk, and sat down in the chair, and seemed to be staring long at his own cup , before he spoke* "I was wondering, if, we could talk about , ah, well, I know what the nation thinks of various litany laws and what sometimes our tribe thinks are different. I...was wondering what your personal interpretation was..before I say anything else."

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 12:36:27 PM)
*He nodded* Sure, it's always been entertaining to talk with other halfmoons over interpretation of the law. I've had many such talks with nearly every tribe in the nation at one point. Some are very litteral on some tennants, some much more relaxed than even the majority of our tribe would like. Any particular one you wish to talk about?

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:40:20 PM)
*he nodded* "The, well, one about mating"

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:44:36 PM)
*and he glanced up from the coffee, he looked uncomfortable,and frankly. unhappy*

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 12:46:19 PM)
ahh... the first tennant. Very well... I know that's been a bit of a off one.. Where as most of the rest of the tennants are there to ensure the saftey and survival of the Garou and benefit the nation and gaia as a whole. This one seems to me to be based on Taboo more than anything.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:46:54 PM)
"Well, I understand, why we don't want more Metis. I mean, that's..cruel. But, ...that particular law is rather blanket..."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:48:12 PM)
"So, would you, prefer that, we sort of, ignore things that ..don't fall under the more strict interpretation there of?"

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 12:48:31 PM)
*he nods* It's a practice I found my self doing things like picturing the nation as a whole if certian tennants of the Litany were non-existant. It helps me determine why we have such laws.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:49:09 PM)
"Well, that's nice for sorting out one's personal views, but, that doesnt really matter in the end. What I personally think of any of it."

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 12:51:12 PM)
There in lies the problem Frostbrand. As the Children of Gaia, we are often called on to serve as unbiased judges and mediators between the other tribes as well. My position as Grand Elder keeps me constrained to that fact exclusively.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:55:31 PM)
"Which is why you're never gonna see me want your chair."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 12:56:21 PM)
"But, okay that." *he paused, frustratred* "I'm not being cery clear in what I'm asking. You set the guidance for the sept, and the tribe. what do you want the doxes of it to *do* about that kind of thing?"

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:01:17 PM)
Shared blood is a multitribal sept. As such we have to keep the views and opinions of all the tribes in mind when it comes to intrepreting the litany. When it comes to the first tennant, some tribes might be a bit lax on such things and not consider such actions mating until a child is concieved, while other tribe might call for the hunt for simple thoughts of it's violation.

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:01:46 PM)
(sorry for the stall.... kinda waiting for Ghostlin to reply here.))

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:01:52 PM)
(np)

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:02:02 PM)
(I'll take it as LFS being all philosophical and Tristan being all...himself)

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:10:06 PM)
*pinched the bridge of his nose* "I get that, I do. So I'm not sure what the right thing to do is. I'm an idiot and just a fostern, remember? Dont make me figure this out myself. Please." *under his breath* "jesus christ in a chicken basket, fuck me."

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:18:26 PM)
*he thinks about a few things for moments* Can I ask you why this question came up? Does it have to do with the story Wendy spoke at the latest gathering?.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:18:38 PM)
*he nodded* "I know..why she told that story"

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:20:58 PM)
*he nods* I've heard rumors... but please go ahead and let me know what you heard.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:21:17 PM)
"That star and abby apparently got over fighting about david and were necking and nuzling on the front porch."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:21:26 PM)
"I didnt see it first hand though."

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:22:17 PM)
*he nods* You are aware that the three of them, Abby, Star, and David, are under investigation over territory claims right?

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:22:27 PM)
*shook his head no* "No?"

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:22:32 PM)
"I hadn't heard anything about that."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:22:54 PM)
"I knew Abby and Star were fighting and Star and David have issues and nobody's pleased, but I didn't realize there was anything involving an actual territory bit"

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:25:09 PM)
It's a big mess to be sure. Apparently when Star and David were married, David was entertaining Abby. Clearly that would be a violation of Star's territory.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:25:28 PM)
*frowned a little* "Yeah that whole people as territory thing when they dont want to be territory..."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:25:36 PM)
*shook his head* "messy."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:26:27 PM)
"That and her reputation as sept bicycle...frankly"

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:28:52 PM)
*he nods and lets out a bit of a grin* thats why there's the investigation. And being he was born in the Fianna tribe and is now being suitored by a fianna, it becomes a mess between a lot of people. *he thinks a bit* Perhaps you can find Wendy and I'll have Takes no Shit sent for.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:29:27 PM)
"I can ask her, ah, what i was told is that Scratchy, Steven, or Wendy or Mercy actually all saw this"

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:30:05 PM)
((steven didn't see it, he just heard about it.. I think Mercy and Wendy were the only ones that seen it))

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:30:16 PM)
((ah well , it's a game of telephone)

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:30:31 PM)
"I'll find Wendy if you want, maybe Mercy since she's in our tribe?"

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:30:59 PM)
*he nods* Im sure both the moon-dancers would be glad to bring up such tales.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:31:23 PM)
"Okay. well, ah, thanks for the time."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:31:33 PM)
*and he got up, and hurried for the door*

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:31:55 PM)
((Ghostlin said he'd do this now and Wendy said she's available if you want this out of the way. Assuming you have time.))

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:31:59 PM)
(9i do))

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:32:05 PM)
((I was about the skype the player of wendy)

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:32:18 PM)
((though Mercy isn't available))

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:32:25 PM)
(no, she wont be till later today))

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:32:34 PM)
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Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:34:43 PM)
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Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:35:28 PM)
*Walks in, without much preamble* Ok, Travis-rhya. Who fucked up now and how badly?

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:36:13 PM)
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Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:36:14 PM)
Thats what we are about to find out. Seems there's more issues with that Moon-Dancer of my tribe and her urges with other trueborn.

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:36:30 PM)
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Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:36:47 PM)
*Walks to the nearest wall, and goes -thunk. -thunk. -thunk.*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:37:05 PM)
*He's battering the wall with his head.*

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:38:04 PM)
*She was following after tristan as she shoved her lil mp3 player into the poch of her hoody.. Her hood was down and her hat was folded and half sticking out of one of her other pockets.. She heard the thunk thunk thunking before entering in the room and she whispered to tristan*sounds like there doing some construction work in there..

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:38:09 PM)
*he grinned at the rather self-abusive Truth Catcher* I don't envy your job in any way.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:38:34 PM)
"they werent a few minutes ago" *seemed puzzled,a nd knocked on the door with his cane as he opened it*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:38:43 PM)
I figured if I passed out I might not have to deal with it.

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:39:14 PM)
*he grined again and heard the familiar cane on the door* Come on in Frostbrand.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:41:08 PM)
"Ahm, This is Wendy." *and to Wendy* "That's Takes no shit" *motioned to the gnawer*

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:43:00 PM)
*she slipped in with a nod as tristan introduced her.. She then looked towards the bone gnawer and that bright smile widened even more when she was faced with the bone gnawer*Ello Takes no Shit-Rhya.. *She gave the gnawer a nod of her head in greeting.. Once inside the room her eyes took in her surroundings rather quickly.. she seen no hammers or nails or boards or anything so wondered what the banging was about, she idly looked round for a stray kinfolk..*

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:44:53 PM)
*he nodded* Corrupts the Signal told me about the new member of Dies Ultima in the area. How are you doing?

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:45:27 PM)
*Sighs* What the fuck happened this time?

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:46:02 PM)
*she looked towards lucks favored son*we are doing allright, we have not had many deployments thus far, just a clean up mission. Hopeing to do some more when Corupts the signal-rhya has new orders for us..

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:46:41 PM)
"Er, Takes no shit means about whta you told me about last night. Wendy."

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:47:33 PM)
*he nods as their current investigation between the two garou in question was currently underway.*

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:48:19 PM)
"I can go right?"

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 1:49:33 PM)
It was something you brought to our attention Frostbrand. Like it or not you are committed at this point.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:49:42 PM)
I could use another witness, anyhoo'.

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:49:43 PM)
*Her head slipped to the side to look at Takes no Shit when the gnawer asked what happened this time. Then hears what Tristan said..*Ohh that, yeah I had told that metis if she had a problem with my words to take it before the master of challenges if she thought she had a leg to stand on.. But in anycase, I saw This fianna garou named abby ya know she pulled this child of gaia garou star into her lap on the front steps here. Then she wrapped her arms around her midsection and proceeded to whisper in her ear then she started nibbling on her neck.. I aint got no issues with chick on chick my issue is garou on garou.. Esspecially here where gaias pulse is strongest for gaias sake.. I mean its just ridiculously insulting, so we had words, the star chick ran off when i got in the fianna chicks face..

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:50:23 PM)
*sigh, claimed the armchair*

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:50:24 PM)
The fianna rambled about them just being sisterly or some shit but like i got a garou sister a real blooded one and i dont nibble on her neck and shit ya know? cause i don't got those kind of feelings for my sister..

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:51:05 PM)
Apparently someone saw Rent and took it much too literally. *This is a grumble. ToG up, Wendy. Man+Sub?*

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:51:13 PM)
then when i was arguing with the metis she was all tryin to stick up for them and cliaming its okay as long as they dont produce kids it aint a break in the littany just like she takes homid kin as her lovers and shit

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:51:51 PM)
(0 sub 2 manip? let me check my manip its two i think i know she has low scores cause shes brutaly honest)

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:52:43 PM)
(0 sub manip 3 lol)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:54:13 PM)
(OK. I can tell if you're telling the truth. *nods*)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:54:22 PM)
(7 suxx on the roll)

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:55:01 PM)
(she is most cvertainly telling the truth)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:55:16 PM)
Excuse me.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:55:30 PM)
*Goes back to the wall. Hitting it with his head.*

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:55:32 PM)
(and her face is very expressionate.. 4 chr which is why she tries to hide it with her hood most of the time cause people can just "tell")

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:55:57 PM)
*glanced at Takes no shit, and pondered whether he actually even *wanted* adren, ever...*

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 1:56:06 PM)
*She hears the farmilliar thudding of his head against the wall and gets a "AHHH thats what that sound was"*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:58:01 PM)
*Walks back after a few minutes.* Pardon. It's for my fuckin' delecate stupidity constution.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 1:58:32 PM)
"Heh. Whatever. I"m just glad, I'm not you"

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:58:54 PM)
Anyone see this?

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 1:59:05 PM)
Anyone else.

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 2:00:42 PM)
*he looks to Wendy as she was a first hand witness, she might also know who was there.*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:01:01 PM)
*To Tristan, with a canny gleam in his eye* Got any probl'm with sept law? How the Litany is interpreted 'round heres?

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:01:24 PM)
Want to tell me off?

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:01:38 PM)
*blinked, held up his hands* "Whoa. What?"

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:01:42 PM)
Well There was llewllyn he was a fianna he was there at the time, i mean i remember him singing fiddler on the roof if i was a rich man.. It was a awesome randition, there was a few other people around, but i dun remember them all to be honest.. And no one seemed the slightest bit suprised by the two

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:01:54 PM)
*A chuckle, then turns his attention to Wendy*

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:03:27 PM)
I had said something got in a argument with the abby chick, then the star chick took off to mope around while abby tried to defend her actions with some lame ass insecst excuse. (spelling on the insecst lol i can never spell it correctly.. ya know when you are incapable of outrunning your silver fang brothers!)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:05:42 PM)
So, Llew. That Fianna rabble rouser they call Bright Voice.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:06:48 PM)
*gave TNS a sideways, narrow glance*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:07:12 PM)
*Means in a neutral way*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:07:16 PM)
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Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:07:33 PM)
*Would summon a runner to bring Llew into their presence*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:07:34 PM)
(just so I know, who called Llew?)

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:07:36 PM)
(ah, ok)

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:07:47 PM)
(in now, or wait a few moments)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:07:53 PM)
(You can come in now.)

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 2:08:02 PM)
((They probably would wait for him))

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:08:14 PM)
*sighed slightly, pulled out a cigarette*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:10:34 PM)
*Hands Tristan a cigar* Don't be pansy about your vices. You may still need 'em.

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:10:57 PM)
Llew was caught and brought in after about five minutes, looking confused about being summoned. "Someone called?"

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:11:06 PM)
I did, Bright Voice.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:11:18 PM)
*shrugged, took it, lit it* (for llew, LFS is there, TNS is there, Tristans there to the side looking like he doesnt wanna be there and Wendy's there)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:11:26 PM)
We were having a lovely conversation about something that happened on the grounds that you may have witnessed.

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:11:48 PM)
*She looked to llewellyn and offered him a smile.. Then she leaned up against the wall shoving her hands in her pockets*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:11:50 PM)
"Uh huh. Alright, shoot."

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:12:25 PM)
Do you remember seeing, or having seen two...females necking on the porch.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:12:28 PM)
?

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:13:14 PM)
*The TC is being serious, almost intent. At least now he's got a scent.*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:14:22 PM)
"Um. No, I can't say I remember that in the least. Granted, I've been disordered lately."

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:14:38 PM)
"Somewhat varied between drunk and catatonic."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:14:48 PM)
*glanced over at Llew as he said that, worried looking*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:15:07 PM)
*Considers, remembers. Frowns.* Would of been on the grounds. *Turns to Wendy* When?

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:16:22 PM)
"Less you want me to suss up my ancestors and see if they remember, the when isn't gonna mean anything."

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:16:24 PM)
*She looked at llewellyn*In all fairness he likely might not remember it was the galliard moon if im not mistaken cause he kept complainging about it being a lousey day and he appologised repeadily for being a bit of a prick, which is why i asked him to sing something he would enjoy to lighten his mood.. Thus he belted out a rendition of fiddler on the roofs if i was a rich man..

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:16:57 PM)
round 7:30 on the seventh of november..

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:17:17 PM)
on the front steps. *Thumbs towards the front of the building with a hook of her hand*

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 2:17:43 PM)
((leave it to a Galliard to remember EVERY detail of the time and place))

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:20:08 PM)
*she looked to llwe*Still think that your rendtition of the song was better then the orginal by the way.. *She then remember why she was here and turned back to look at the gnawer once more after her rambling*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:20:55 PM)
He considered that. "Hrrrum....I was busy singing I think. I don't know as I remember anyone necking? Why, what's the deal here?"

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:21:21 PM)
'Twas between two Garou.

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 2:22:18 PM)
... and quite in public view of the the public.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:22:27 PM)
One of which can't keep her hands to 'erself.

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:23:17 PM)
"...that's really it?" He stared blankly, as if waiting for a punchline.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:23:52 PM)
*Facepalms*

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:26:00 PM)
*She looked at Llewellyn then to the truth catcher.. Her stupid facial expressions just told more then she ever liked them too.. And thus with the raise of her brow and the curve of the lips, it was like.. "and this is the reaction ive recived"*

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 2:26:17 PM)
We've already had her admission of desiring feelings toward trueborn.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:26:34 PM)
Allow me to be blun'.

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:26:54 PM)
"Would you listen if I didn't allow it?" He asked drily.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:27:22 PM)
"and a hand was yanking llew down to sit in the other chair at the snark, which was tristans on the back of his shirt*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:28:07 PM)
If this was a Child of Gaia sep', a Gnawer sept' or even a combination of both of those; fine. I'd be a little ill honestly; there's a reason we don't make the beas' with two backs with each other, and the fact that no metis can result isn't really an issue.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:28:43 PM)
"Question, if yo'ull let me"

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:29:03 PM)
Bein' all over each other offends the spirits and not a few Garou. In fact, the spirits may be whisperin' about this already, I don't talk to them.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:29:06 PM)
Shoot.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:29:29 PM)
"So, ah, if, y'know, no metis, can, be at issue. what *is* the reason other than, well, personal disgust or adherance to a particular law? I mean, real reason"

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:29:41 PM)
*tone was clearly non argumentative about it*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:32:08 PM)
Llew allowed himself to be pulled down, his posture remaining relaxed and insolent. Someone clearly Did Not Give a Fuck today.

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:33:59 PM)
*She heard the adhearence to a particular law.. It was the littany.. But she had allready explained this.. Had her say about it.. Both publicly and now privately.. She waited as she pulled her hat out of a pocket..*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:34:32 PM)
When it comes to the Litany, it is absolut'. I can't play with what the Litany says as the Truthcatcher: the Fianna and Ukten' would feed me to Big Momma. The other issue being is if we don't mind our Kin, and go humpin' each other, who will mind them? There's also the third slipp'ry slope re'son, which is a fallacy somewhat: if we ratify female/female pairings, and male/male pairings with Garou, some fucktard is going to think male/female with Garou are ok, and we all know that condoms don't work for that pairing./

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:35:13 PM)
*His tone is level.*

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:35:19 PM)
*he just didnt reply*

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:35:29 PM)
*and kept his mouth quiet*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:36:29 PM)
"Fine. Put a wrist slap punishment on it publicly, privately chew them out and put them on a punishment or penitance duty for a bit, and call it a day."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:37:59 PM)
(i gtg in a bit here)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:38:17 PM)
Which would be fine if it wasn't the latest in a list of fuck-ups for one of them.

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:38:45 PM)
*She listened to them.. *

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 2:41:02 PM)
*he looked to Takes no Shit.* As the Truth Catcher, it's your decision on how the law is to be intrepreted with both the Litany and sept law, within reason. *he looked at Tristan* Frostbrand and I have just reciently had a discussion about intreptetation of the law ourselves, but I think this ball lies in your court Takes-no-Shit.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:41:53 PM)
They broke the law. There's no playing with that. It's not one of your suggestions, Lucks Favored Son-rhya. Particularly with thin' bein' the way they is.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:42:28 PM)
*and just waited for Takes no Shit, to say what he was going to do*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:44:04 PM)
We need to consult the spirits to verify. I will make a decision then, but it's probably not good news for Star. *His eyes turn dark.* Abby, allowances can be made for. A Stone of Scorn, probably.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:44:22 PM)
"Are you proposing what for Star, Takes no Shit-rhya/"

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:44:35 PM)
"Allow me to ask you to be blunt."

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:45:06 PM)
Consider' her past infractions to the Litany, she would be able to have her babe, and probably the Hunt.

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:45:45 PM)
"...you are out of your mind."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:46:25 PM)
"Takes No Shit, I realize, this is one in a chain of fuckups, but, define mating."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:46:28 PM)
"For me, please."

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 2:48:12 PM)
*he turned to Llewellyn* Bright Voice, Are you aware of her past grievences against the laws of the Nation? Are you aware that her own pack has came to me to have her properly punished? Are you aware that she was already suspected of Harano?

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:48:19 PM)
"because that's what the litany, actually says, no matter how harshly or litterally we wish to interpret it, unless I cant even memorize that much. Technically, no matter *how* you paint the genders, unless she's been in bed, and we'll leave that open to any variety of things, with Abby, they havent broken it."

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:49:28 PM)
*Ignores Llew's rather degreatory assessment of the situation; moves to Tristan* She offended to almost of the point of it on the porch of the sept. Would you rather I waited until they got their clothes off next time?

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:49:39 PM)
"Yes. Because it sets precident"

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:49:45 PM)
"And Precedent is damnably important. as you well know."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:50:27 PM)
"No decision is made in isolation and no decision can be made without the actual letter of the law. which I'm going to say she hasn't gone so far as to break it no matter how liberally or conservatively you itnerpret the genders. Death for coming close to breaking a litany law isn't something you'd like to set a precedent for, is it, Takes No Shit?"

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:50:31 PM)
"Are you aware of how very little I care? The hunt is for the most aggregious of crimes. It isn't to be pulled out because someone NECKING is the straw that broke the camel's back. There are Fianna who aren't Hunted when they have metis children. They're scorned, abused, but they're also kept. Tell me, here's a fun question, has anyone assigned her to a penitence duty? Given her a mentor responsible for training her to begin behaving properly? Or is everything on her to figure out with no one beinggiven responsibility for "You know, she keeps fucking upt he litany...maybe we should man the fuck up, act like adults, and TEACH her how to behave properly for it". Call me crazy, but that sounds like the responsible course."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:50:56 PM)
"er, Llew, some of us have tried to teach her."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:51:03 PM)
*said as an aside, quietly, to his former packmate*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:51:11 PM)
"I'm asking the sept leadership if it's been made a formal apprenticeship of any sort."

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:51:32 PM)
"Or if they're just trying to wash their hands of a problem they're unwilling to deal with. I'm tired of watching this Nation kill its own."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:51:47 PM)
"Then why dont we dont we do both?"

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:51:53 PM)
"Why dont we send her somewhere explicitly to learn?"

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:51:56 PM)
Formal apprenticeship? For things she should of learned in the period before firsting? For cryin' out loud.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:52:00 PM)
"We wash our hands of the problem and we dont kill anyone."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:52:10 PM)
"There's septs aimed at reforming garou."

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:52:11 PM)
*Stops. Considers*

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:52:27 PM)
"And it's much more appropriate for a chain of fuckups than to present it as a litany violation when it's technically not."

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:53:07 PM)
Exile...not the kind for Malcolm might work. It would be a punishment for the sept.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:53:32 PM)
for=from

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:53:39 PM)
*He looks at LFS for approval*

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 2:54:59 PM)
I can speak to some associates at Valkenburg to rehabilitate her as they do the Lunatics.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:55:25 PM)
"That or I know there's at least one sept in California aimed at dealing with reluctant or fuck up garou."

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:56:21 PM)
Lllew looked frankly kind of confused that his random beligerent bitching had worked.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:57:58 PM)
I won't change my punishment for Abby. That's still not negotable, and Stone of Scorn is recoverable. With help. Would you volunteer to be Abby's guid, Llewellyn?

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 2:58:28 PM)
Since ye're a fostern an' all, you probably are aware of the Laws.

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:58:46 PM)
He snorted at that. "Really. You were talking about Star being on the verge of harano, have you LOOKED at how I've acted lately?"

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:58:57 PM)
*cringe, but didnt stick his nose in that one*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:58:59 PM)
"And you want -me- to be a mentor? "

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 2:59:05 PM)
*She looked at them*littany also states "do not suffer thy people to tend your sickness" if the person has continuously fucked up and has everyone arguing over what is and what is unacceptible behavior cause they want to pussy foot through the tulips in order to continue bending over backwards cause they dun want the blood on there hands.. We just let one tenant be ass raped with a spiked dildo for another to be ignored. Dun have to be physicaly a burden you very well can be mentally incapable of serving and being a burden as well.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:59:33 PM)
*looked at Wendy* "And she's a child of gaia. and I'm going to say that we have our own line on where that tending should be drawn. I see no reason to not send her effectively to boot camp."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:59:47 PM)
"If she cant pass there, she probably will get herself culled."

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:59:47 PM)
"You call me pussyfooting again Wendy, and I'll ask you to prove it in the fucking arena."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:59:53 PM)
"Hey. Hey. Chill."

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 2:59:54 PM)
His rage flared at the accusation.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 2:59:56 PM)
"The both of you."

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:00:04 PM)
(Roll Rage, kids.)

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:00:06 PM)
*and he stepped in between Llew and Wendy* "The fuck ups aint in the room"

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:00:09 PM)
(Wendy and Llew)

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 3:00:18 PM)
*looks at tristan when he says boot camp.. Then looked to llwellyn..*(rollin rage then)

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:00:32 PM)
(diff?)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:00:45 PM)
(4. Full moon)

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:00:50 PM)
(oh dear)

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:01:11 PM)
(5 suxx)

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:01:15 PM)
(ah, we rollin init?)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:01:18 PM)
(You may spend a WP)

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 3:01:25 PM)
(4 suxxs)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:01:31 PM)
(You too may spend a WP)

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:01:31 PM)
(spending.)

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 3:01:43 PM)
((or fox keeping in mind that there is a rank 5 dox in the room))

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 3:01:54 PM)
(Spending )

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:02:12 PM)
Llew didn't move. He didn't get up, didn't rise, didn't shift. But his muscles tensed and the rage inside him definitely boiled into the room like a physical presence before he reigned it in.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:02:23 PM)
*Watches the hackles of the younger Garou raise* Not. Here.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:02:33 PM)
*and he definately kept himself in between the two at that point*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:02:50 PM)
If you have any fucking respect for my rank or my office, listen to me now. Find Serenity later. Not. Here. Now.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:03:08 PM)
If you don't, you can challenge me.

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:04:14 PM)
He sat back in his chair after a moment. "All apologies, elder."

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 3:04:36 PM)
*Wendy felt the rage rise up. Her eyes went wide and she felt the blood pump through her like right before a misison.. Her head tilted to the side and she thrust on her hat and pulled up her hood as her hands flexed and contracted choking down the frenzy within only caused more internal pain inside.. She whispered her lesson learned from her first frenzy.* Anger is like acid it often harms the vessell which carries it more then it does on which it is poured on..

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:04:48 PM)
Good, I think LFS-rhya didn't want to take blood out of the carpet.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:05:22 PM)
*looked at Wendy, and very calmly* "Let me ask you this. Do you see any reason why it's a burden to send her somewhere explicitly designed to reform her? And if she cant pass there they'll take care of it. And as far as not having blood on ones hands, how many people have *you* perosnally taken out for litany violations or other similar reasons?"

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 3:06:03 PM)
*he shrugs* The carpet can be replaced.. The lives of our members however cannot.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:06:25 PM)
Sounds like a fucking hippy. Good job, Grand Elder-rhya.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:06:37 PM)
*This is said cheerfully enough*

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:06:40 PM)
*glared at TNS* "not..helping"

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:07:01 PM)
(oh, it was a joke? oops)

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:07:12 PM)
(At this point, yes.)

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:07:37 PM)
(ignore that last post then. i didnt see your 2nd before i hit enter. sorry)

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 3:08:28 PM)
*he of course took no offence* You'd be suprized how often we had to change Colin's carpet before we finally had tile put in place.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:09:07 PM)
We will have Hilma-rhya convien' with the spirits to confirm. If they find what I expect they will, we will sen' her somewhere that might help her.

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 3:09:12 PM)
*She looked over at tristan as he went asking her questions as if she was on trial here. She stuffed her hands in her front hoody pouch.. * I have no say in this it is up to you all in the end.. *That was about all he would get from her, her own voice dripping with anger and venom at this point.. The frenzy was to close last time and she would not calm down caged up in this room with them.. Her hooded head looked towards Takes no shit* Unless you need something else from me Takes no shit-rhya, might i be excused?

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:09:46 PM)
*he snorted softly, but if she wasn't going to answer, certainly wasn't about to force her or try to, instead backed off*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:10:37 PM)
An' exile her, so to speak, until she is clear'd to be out and about. I would however recomm'nd they send her elsewhere. People will not remember her favorly. *Is talking about Star.*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:11:00 PM)
She gets a secon' chance. Not everyone gets those.

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:11:21 PM)
"No objections to exile here."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:11:30 PM)
"I've no objections. that's what i was hoping you'd say after i rbought it up"

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:11:31 PM)
"And yeah, I'll mentor Abby."

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:11:41 PM)
Oh. And Bright Voice.

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:11:45 PM)
"Yeah."

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:12:10 PM)
Get some help your own damn self. I don't like send people off to psycho wards.

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:12:54 PM)
His eyes narrowed. But given as he'd already reigned in a frenzy, another one wasn' immediately at hand. He spoke through gritted teeth. "I will kill -every- fucking one of you before that's ever an option." He said it cooly, without any hint of bluff. "Never."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:13:08 PM)
*got this look of shit and immediately shifted crinos in between TNS and llew*

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:13:14 PM)
Good. Long as you get some.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:13:23 PM)
*and to llew* ~gs~ Look, llew, just walk out, it's alright, he wont do that and he has no idea. alright? i wont let him either.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:13:28 PM)
*This is said out of a gruff concern.*

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:13:29 PM)
*and was fully ignoring TNS*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:14:04 PM)
He took a breath, and calmed down again.

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:14:12 PM)
*To Wendy* Leave if you wan', unless LFS-rhya gets an objection.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:14:14 PM)
~gs~ Llew, just, go outside alright? it's okay?

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:14:20 PM)
~gs~ If they dont like it i'll handle it.

Lucks Favored Son (Nov 21, 2010 3:14:45 PM)
*he nodded at Wendy's request. And then turned to the rest of them.* Unless there's something that needs to be absolutely brought up now, I think we are done here then. Remy, mind if we have a talk about these arangements here?

Takes No Shit (Nov 21, 2010 3:15:01 PM)
*The Gnawer nods.*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:15:30 PM)
He looked up at his former packmate, blinking as he realized Tristan was in war form. "...shift back, you look ridiculous."

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:15:37 PM)
It was strained, but lighthearted.

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:15:57 PM)
~gs~ I always look ridiculous. I just didnt want everyone dead. *and he did shift back down, pants still on, shirtless however*

Wendy Dubois (Nov 21, 2010 3:17:09 PM)
*She nodded to the elder and the truth catcher when they excused her.. Then she turned on her heel and headed for the door. She opened it up heading outside of it then shut it cloased behind her.. Heading down stairs*

Llewellyn Watson (Nov 21, 2010 3:17:12 PM)
And without asking permission, giving word, or anything at all, he just got up and walked out after Wendy was gone.

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Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:17:41 PM)
*sighed and looked back at the two of them* "Do me you and the rest of the world a favor huh? Dont bring up psych wards around llew. Especially as a threat. Hell, They're fucking wyrmy as fuck anyways usually."

Tristan Redgrave (Nov 21, 2010 3:17:45 PM)
*and with that he turned for the door himself*

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