Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:14:22 AM)
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Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:14:53 AM)
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Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:17:17 AM)
was not sure who the sire could be, was thinking about asking a pc but I don't know their generations lol

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:17:58 AM)
Alright if your wanting to have your character Sire'd in game by a PC then you need to have a "mortal" character and it has to be accomplished IC

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:18:07 AM)
No problem

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:18:10 AM)
I would prefer a NPC

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:18:15 AM)
k

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:18:23 AM)
So I have a few questions about your BG

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:18:28 AM)
ok

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:18:29 AM)
I havn't even got to your sheet yet.

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:19:23 AM)
The first paragraph was good, it gave you a stable base to grow from, but with your branching out into the Music world you would have been more likely to catch the eye of a Toereador then a Ventrue

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:20:38 AM)
Well, I should have been more clear on this. It has nothing to do with a love of music. He lives for screwing bands over in the contracts, but he's also the kind of guy that will score you some coke and a hooker or two after reaming ya for 40 points on a contract that should have been 12 tops

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:20:42 AM)
I don't mind the backstory but it needs a little more ... ventrue'is feel to it.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:21:21 AM)
He's the epitome of the record producers in the behind the music specials that the bands cry about screwing them over on the rights to their best music

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:21:22 AM)
*nods* Yeah see a little more of that in there would be good.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:21:34 AM)
that's pretty much where I got the idea lol

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:22:03 AM)
It's a fine idea.. but you need to put it in there, I can't look at it and see that part of you. LOL

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:22:12 AM)
ok gimme a couple mins

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:22:24 AM)
So that's the first thing I would ask is you beef up your BG a bit more

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:22:42 AM)
I will look over the sheet and see if anything jumps out there

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:24:10 AM)
Alright first thing that jumps out is the second 4 in manipulation you would need to purchase that with freebies so your gonna need to move that point to either Charisma or Appearance

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:27:17 AM)
There we go

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:27:26 AM)
hmm, probably charisma in this case

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:27:47 AM)
I might try to raise appearance later, buy some style or something to help justify that, but not too worried about it right now

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:28:08 AM)
alright I am checking on some fo the backgrounds stuff, but you can't start with more then 3 in influences

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:28:42 AM)
Also you have allies 3 purchased your going to need to have them spelled out in your Background you can do this at the bottom of it.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:29:01 AM)
ok, for some reason I thought it was 5 but only 2 max in anything, I can drop some

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:29:04 AM)
same for your contacs

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:29:36 AM)
http://www.sinful-illusions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=3247

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:29:49 AM)
Influences: 3 dots total, no more then 2 dots in any one area.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:30:06 AM)
ok, dropped legal and high society

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:30:25 AM)
high society didn't really jibe with a middle rate record producer

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:30:32 AM)
he'd need to be more successful

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:32:01 AM)
so far as the allies and contacts, should I use what i have in the player notes bit or do I need to write out more than that?

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:32:27 AM)
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Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:32:40 AM)
wb

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:32:45 AM)
sorry hit the wrong button

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:32:52 AM)
no problem:)

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:33:36 AM)
for allies and contacts, should I put beneath my BG what I put in the player notes, or do I need to name them and all that stuff?

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:34:01 AM)
I usually go generic cause then the ST can just plug in whatever if they already have a npc that would fit the bill

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:34:20 AM)
You will need to put them in the bottom of your background, names what they do, level of friendship ie contact or allie

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:34:26 AM)
ok

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:35:27 AM)
Give them names flesh them out personality wise but don't worry about stats as those wont matter

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:35:54 AM)
Put a little blurb of how you know them ect

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:37:46 AM)
I am waiting on an answer from the vamp team on Haven Security I had thought that we were requiring people to purchase this IC with XP and Resources and not allowing it on starting characters. So that's one thing I am not going to touch just yet but want to give you a heads up on it.

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:40:53 AM)
Also your going to have a description before you can even be pre-sanctioned

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:41:25 AM)
You only get 2 lores to start for free, Ventrue and Camarilla

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:42:13 AM)
Alright as I had accidently closed the window which 2 Influences did you want to drop? you have Finance, High Society, Legal, Media, Underworld

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:42:48 AM)
I dropped HS and Legal

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:43:18 AM)
okay, got a fake name for a sire ?

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:43:50 AM)
David Paine >.>

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:44:04 AM)
and don't edit your sheet right now I am doing that.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:44:08 AM)
oh crap sorry

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:44:31 AM)
ok, I got the allies, contacts, retainers, etc more fleshed out

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:44:44 AM)
alright.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:44:55 AM)
beefed up the BG a bit to show he's a prick

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:45:11 AM)
Rogue nature Director demeanor, that's a prick to me lol

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:45:27 AM)
but he's good at schmoozing at least

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:47:19 AM)
Okay so now I am going to go over a few other things that kinda stand out to me, you are like a jack of all trades with combat abilities but you have like no alertness whatsoever to see someone coming at you. Plus alertness would be used to notice when someoen might be trying to pull a fast one on your in court or with a contract

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:48:10 AM)
hmm, well I could see dropping dodge, I wasn't really concerned with combats at all but thought it might be wise to have something

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:48:16 AM)
I would like to see the brawl moved up to Alertness, I can see him having firearms and melee - grew up fencing or something

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:48:25 AM)
firearms and dodge would be handy

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:48:29 AM)
that would be fine

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:48:29 AM)
and skeet shooting

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:48:57 AM)
think it fits the concept a little more.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:49:22 AM)
totally agreed

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:50:57 AM)
in all honesty if he's managed to get into a fight things have gone horribly, horribly wrong

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:51:07 AM)
I have a combatty character for scratching that itch hehe

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:52:07 AM)
Alright Beacon of the Unholy is a Heavily Restricted Flaw and I just don't see it in your BG for reasoning.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:53:02 AM)
it was more in the questionaire bit I think, but I don't mind dropping it

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:53:35 AM)
You have the Haunted flaw.. have you put anything in the background pertaining to this?

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:53:51 AM)
I see that you have it's a ghost tied to the building, so that really isn't a flaw since you can just move

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:54:39 AM)
well the ghost is pissed off at him, I just liked the idea of it originating in the jail

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:54:47 AM)
that's fine

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:55:02 AM)
I would like to see some information on the Ghost in your BG too.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:55:04 AM)
like I'm thinking it was a prisoner that got savagely beaten to death or left to die during katrina or some other kind of crazy crap

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:55:20 AM)
that's fine, just add that into the BG :)

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:55:50 AM)
and it has issues that it needs put to rest but is too pissed off to communicate generally so it does stuff like speaks on tracks as they're being recorded sometimes, etc

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:55:54 AM)
ok

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:55:56 AM)
your BG is pretty much used to justify all the little perks and quirks on your sheet and to give us some stuff to use to torment you with in game

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:58:06 AM)
Alright I have gone about as far as I can without an answer from the Vampire team about the Haven security

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:58:36 AM)
there we go, got the ghostie in

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:58:48 AM)
figuring on alot of bluebooking fodder with that

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:59:11 AM)
*nods* that's good

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:59:18 AM)
and that's cool with the haven security thing, it just seems awfully handy, and in the ventrue clanbook, finances, haven, herd

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:59:26 AM)
that's like the order of importance

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 11:59:37 AM)
I tried to cover as much of it as I could with a starting character

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 11:59:59 AM)
numerically right now your even but if they need to move our Haven security it's going to free up a few more points.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:00:22 PM)
not sure what I'd take with those, hmm

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:00:38 PM)
maybe a merit

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:00:52 PM)
if you think it won't be allowed to start I don't mind buying it later, to be honest

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:01:14 PM)
though I'd still like to begin with the jail, perhaps there's alot of retrofitting and general repair that needs to be done and all that

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:01:15 PM)
I would probably drop the Twitch flaw as it's a sure telltale sign and would give you away under pressure, possibly and put the other points into a skill, linguistics?

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:01:30 PM)
spanish would be good

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:01:50 PM)
I kinda like the twitch, but yah, it's more of a pain than it's worth

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:02:04 PM)
*nods* An old police station would just have been gutted honestly ( I work for the Fire department) so there wouldn't be much in the way of security there anymore honstly

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:02:19 PM)
the City can't allow cell doors to remain and stuff like that so those would have had to go

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:02:27 PM)
That's fine, but it's designed for the purpose at least

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:02:31 PM)
he'd have to install his own stuff

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:02:37 PM)
and what camera's and stuff like that they did have would ahve been destroyed

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:03:06 PM)
I'd like to get a coterie going and use it as a haven for more than just myself, do you know if they allow pooling points for that kind of thing?

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:03:24 PM)
We do allow pooling I believe

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:03:28 PM)
nice

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:03:54 PM)
I could be wrong but I believe that's in the rules somewhere

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:04:29 PM)
I was shocked when it said on the forum there's only a couple ventrue

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:04:54 PM)
they're fun as hell

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:05:05 PM)
yeah the venue is a little thin but it's growing so that's good

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:05:11 PM)
:)

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:05:29 PM)
Alright yeah the Haven security has to go

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:05:36 PM)
ok

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:05:37 PM)
again it's something you can work on purchasing IC

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:05:45 PM)
then yah drop twitch and bump up ling

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:07:55 PM)
alright going to do one more last check of everything and make sure the points are good

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:08:08 PM)
ok

Menthril (Apr 16, 2011 12:08:31 PM)
and we have a base stat for Body Guards so they are in there.

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:08:40 PM)
yah

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:08:45 PM)
and the valet too I think

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:09:14 PM)
I didn't know if I should paste them or not, i put my preferred disciplines for them, potence is a given but the bodyguards got fort and the valet has presence

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:09:25 PM)
the better to get out of parking tickets with

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:13:48 PM)
must run back asap

Vincent Verde (Apr 16, 2011 12:13:54 PM)
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