Legion (May 14, 2011 9:58:08 PM)
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Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 9:59:14 PM)
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Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 9:59:55 PM)
Am I reciving a Warning or something ?

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:00:25 PM)
So, Thumpr, I was really suprised to see your character up for deletion with no preamble first. I would really like to know whats happening wiyth you guys. Ordinarlily, a player would say 'i have a problem with this? or 'YOu don't realise this..

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:00:32 PM)
OF course Not!

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:00:57 PM)
I would like to know what your issues are, so I can work with them :)

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:01:21 PM)
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Legion (May 14, 2011 10:01:25 PM)
Yesterday, everyone seemed so pleased with court, despite being late, I was on a hi

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:02:37 PM)
we had a small issue of Steve feeling ill, but other than that.... so, yeah, whats up Thumpr

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:02:48 PM)
Well I have had issues since day one in this venue.. First Lets Start with I am not a educated demon player and I go with whats writting in the books as my only source of education to play the system and try to use the mechanics there in. Why demon you might ask? Because Steev had badgered me to learn it and come play in his game when he first opened the venue on this very chat.

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:03:03 PM)
Nods

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:03:24 PM)
It can be a very knotty game, and many ST changes

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:04:14 PM)
I actually paid for the pdfs I currently own and tried my damndest to work on a suitable background for a thrall cause he said starting venue light would be best, by the time the back ground was done by the time i had read every bit of demon material i could find steev was no longer the st here

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:04:25 PM)
But

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:05:13 PM)
kk

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:05:16 PM)
there was a silver lining a friend of mine (tpo rona) was making a demon here and she offered to help me understand the system to play my demon and i could learn ic the things i might not understand on a ooc level or could not be explained in the mechanics of simple dice rolls

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:05:48 PM)
so alice was made and rona the demon and a friend of ours also attemped to learn the game and make a thrall

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:06:23 PM)
So so far, no problem. Clearly something has changed however

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:07:21 PM)
didnt work out well and the characters just didnt fit into the game. wwe tried to get involved but from the very first meeting with the tyrant it was clear the other demons did not like rona for i have no idea what reason and so we became a sort of isolated group for the time i made another thrall in hopes to get more involved for a random demon

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:08:09 PM)
which i normaly would never do i found in that other player a real life stalker and my 2nd thrall kat was locked in rooms and i was told she was not allow to play with accociate with or be in public rooms with other demons

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:08:29 PM)
This being Perri as Tyrant?

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:08:33 PM)
i deleted though the ooc stalking continued as that person knew i played alice i then decided to make a guy character to hide under

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:08:37 PM)
oh yeah perri tyrant

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:08:43 PM)
tommy

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:08:51 PM)
kk,

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:09:19 PM)
Sorry Thumpr, just to make sure I understand, you are being stalked by someone who has followed you onto this chat and knows you play Tommy and Alice?

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:09:57 PM)
And Alice was recently involved with our Deacon situation

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:10:42 PM)
sorry Dusk, I hit as you posted

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:11:07 PM)
was awesome i put great work tons of detail into his background i got a friend to play his thrall and another friend to make a companion of his from hell he was dynamtic and intersting i tried several times to get him involved he went from peach to nasty to you each time a new st there was new rules i tried politcly getting involved i even brought people together for court meetings i tried not to bog down nasty he said he was burnt out and i told him time and time again i did not want to burn him out so i was not trying to take his time up with my scenes

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:11:52 PM)
the stalker never bothered me under tommy its why i made a male to confuse him but i allready sent you guys those screen shots of the stalker and i havent seen him sence so no biggy there

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:12:06 PM)
anyway so i had a sit down with you legion

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:12:13 PM)
me you and the demoness to my thrall

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:13:04 PM)
we spoke of a ritual that i had been trying to get my thrall to learn for a long time but did not know how to request it i was told at one point she would know it then i was told she wouldnt then you said you would run a scen where she could learn it from a npc you would run for us

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:13:29 PM)
we had scehdualed the scene but you had to cancle so we reschedualed it

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:14:00 PM)
That's right, Rona was going to get back to me about some learning scenes but then I was forced to take a week off the chat ... urgh,

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:14:09 PM)
Sorry to interupt again. Can I please get the name of the one stalking you? As I'm sure you can appreciate OOC stalking/harassment is taken extremely seriously in the demon venue.

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:14:19 PM)
i was online you showed up a hour and a half late in your blues and went straight in a room with other demon players to run some other scene you had likely previously schedualed forgetting all about the one you had schedualed with alice and rona

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:15:57 PM)
then rona tried to reschedual and she was completely confused as you where now saying she had to learn it in order to teach it to alice not alice having to learn it form the npc with rona in attendence.. so you can see how fustrating it was getting for a scene in which previously we where told we did not need because the npc thralls in ronas background allready have said ritual

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:16:16 PM)
Yes I did, though it was totally unintentional. though still as annoying as all hell i'm sure. I have as i'm sure you can imagine, lots fo scene requests. Is this the issue Thumpr, the scenage as that can be remedied easily

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:16:58 PM)
but since it was sactioned by a previous st you did not agree they should have it and said we needed the scene we where happy to get a scene mind you cause we have never had a single scene since we created these pcs besides random court scenes that crop up, not that we have not tried just that its never happened

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:18:17 PM)
so imagine if you would being on a chat since the demon game opened and never once getting a single scene from any st that did not include 8 or more other demons with posts flying past you and then being told constantly you don't do enough

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:18:32 PM)
though there is some confusion here... I said that due to learning rules, you were initially given the wrong information, but that could be dealt with through a few IC scenes..... I understand your frustration at not having the learning scenes yet and can make that a priority for you guys if that will help

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:19:15 PM)
Thumpr, what time of day do you all normally play? As in hours before or after now?

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:20:06 PM)
well, I don't agree I have accused many of not doing enough, My time able to be alloted to chat is quite small, hence I do run larger scenes. I do understand your frustraion though as I have felt it myself as a player in the past

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:21:18 PM)
we are taking on three new Demons a week atm and that is a nightmare of administration. However, I am totally willing to schedule some scenes for you guys... and be sure to clear those times so this doubling can be avoided

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:26:55 PM)
I won't throw you a list of my duties and what has taken up my time of late, but suffice to say.... it's been hectic. Two scenes went south as I was in a locked room with Deacon for hrs the other day. However, if this is a question of frustration, which I agree is down to my dropping the ritual scene ball, would scheduling these scenes make you happy enough to stay with the venue. I would like to say I offer a venue that people want to play in, rather than leave due to having an ST who's too dizzy to keep up.

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:26:57 PM)
I plan on making a bare bones thrall ill loose all the stuff ive put into it loose all the xp, but at this point i cant even salvage half the shit my demons lost with the new rules in place from eminence to armor not being able to soak agg and my demon pretty much going to loose emience for not being more involved yet its in his background that this laid back attitude this sort of devil may care is exactly how he got that eminence. He dont care about tytants or over lords he cares about the lesser demons whom get trampled underfoot, he was the think tank for the number 1 rebel whom still belives in his original goal, he thinks well belives that lucifer knew gods plan all along he was his second in command.. plenty of reasons to belive that and i point it all out rather logicaly in the background. But anyway moving on, the demon game not fitting Tommy with all that

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:28:01 PM)
Losing eminence comes from a eminence attack from another player. I wont be taking eminence away from players, lets make that clear.

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:28:30 PM)
has happened to him in the past here (due to the multitude of hands the venue has passed over into) he is not going to try for ministry he wont be grasping for power, he feels he has all the time in the world just like he had all the time in the abyss it might not have been a comfortable place to honey moon but he uses his outlook to continue on the path in which he was created for.

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:30:22 PM)
A demons standing is from the abyssal times, it can be raised through action, or lowered through misdeeds in the eyes of their peers. YOu can be a kind demon who stands buy their word, or a bastard who is feared and still raise in emeinence

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:30:43 PM)
I plan on making a venue light character which would be a thrall to take his place. The emience and all the changes mechanicly and "Ic" social standings don't mix i mean ive read all the npcs not a single one would tommy even be able to relate to on any sort of level.. As Rona also can not seem to work her way into anything im pulling alice without rona there is no alice thats just that..

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:30:45 PM)
but to lose it, another player character has to stand up and point

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:30:56 PM)
With the eminence track being moved up from 5 to 10, it doesn't mean that anyone has lost eminence at all. Eminence 3 still has exactly the same meaning and signifficance as it had before. The highest pc eminence the chat has currently is 3 and there are not that many eminence 3 characters (it's currently heavily restricted at creation). The lifting of the eminence track simply gives room for movement, somewhere for pc's to go.

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:32:27 PM)
The Minisisters too are very varied... some are action, some are calm, some are kind and some cruel.... This was done with the varied char types already in the venue

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:32:48 PM)
However, if you feel there is just no fit, for you, then I'm sorry you feel that way

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:33:08 PM)
tommy is not a "kind" demon like the fluffy shit ive seen, hes a determined one whom does have morale compass and belifs but it most certainly does not make him kind. Tommy is selfless in alot of ways but hes not well "kind" he did manage to get a demons true name durring the cource of this game a player characters true name

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:33:18 PM)
not sure how many other demons ic where able to do that

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:33:38 PM)
That's an impressive feat! :)

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:33:43 PM)
but i have been told by others that the fact he managed that was pretyy freaking amazing

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:33:49 PM)
No one else has managed that I would hazzard.

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:33:50 PM)
and he is in no danger at all off losing eminence

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:34:45 PM)
but the demon (casey) no longer exist so off he went in search of her ass, granted i should have been able to demand her to come back b ut as she has a new demon and the old demon is gone its a moot point.

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:34:53 PM)
as I said in the room that day, posting to eminence threads takes 2 minutes, and reminds other players who you are, so that in the future, should you vote for someone else, your vote carries more weight, or if you try for increase yourself, the same

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:34:57 PM)
i cant force someone to play a pc they dont like

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:35:44 PM)
As for my schedualed

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:35:49 PM)
scheduals

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:36:22 PM)
I'm getting the impression here, that as a demon on the path to redemption you feel as though there is no place for Tommy in the game. This combined with your lack of getting involved in SL's has led to you feeling that as much as you like the pc it is just not working in the venue. Am I right?

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:37:37 PM)
As long as i have a weeks notice i can make any time.. I am a hst of a venue myself and i have scenes normaly booked back to back every day of the week so i normaly need time to scheudal in scenes for myself as pathetic as that sounds. I tried to explain this to nasty, ive been told watch the forums and i do but after spending all day dealing with the forums and running scenes in my venue things like my own pcs forums get pushed right to the back burner..

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:37:53 PM)
YES DUSK

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:38:05 PM)
which is why i was going to make the new thrall

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:38:29 PM)
Alright :) Am I also right in thinking that if there was a way to work through these issues you would like to keep Tommy because you really like (as do many others including myself!) the character of Tommy?

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:38:49 PM)
as tpo casey is keeping rachel i was gonna make a brand new thrall with none of the baggage from the previous sts and story lines and give it a whirl

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:39:39 PM)
*nods* In that case, I will ensure on my end, that any future scenes scheduled for you guys happen to time to the best of my ability

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:39:46 PM)
*points up to question.* :) To be honest I see many ways to fix this situation, but as much as I like the character of Tommy, and love and adore Alice's bar, I don't want to push you to keep playing a char that is not working for you.

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:41:04 PM)
agreed, though we will try to support any decision you make. That's what we're here for.

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:42:19 PM)
I love tommy but its to much and other players seem fine with all the changes and i dont expect venues to change for one player.. so i want to do venue light as court and such wont become such a issue anymore. I will still have a pc i can escape my own venue to play

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:43:07 PM)
Okay

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:43:17 PM)
gonna make her plain vanilla nothing out of the ordinary even chose her profession as a suicide hotline counciler

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:43:42 PM)
Okay cool :) Please keep in mind though that if you change your mind and decide that you'd like to keep Tommy (before the deletion goes through), there are ways to make it work and I am more than happy to help you with those ways.

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:44:23 PM)
well, I have to leave now, my children are hungry for their now late lunch lol. If there are issues, please come and speak to us about them and we will do what we can to help. Take it easy.

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:44:35 PM)
take care legion

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:44:48 PM)
thank you dusk

Legion (May 14, 2011 10:44:50 PM)
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Legion (May 14, 2011 10:44:50 PM)
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Legion (May 14, 2011 10:44:53 PM)
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Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:44:54 PM)
np :)

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:44:58 PM)
Before I go though

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:45:01 PM)
yes?

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:47:24 PM)
Tommy really is a cool character, I know a lot of pc's feel that way, I've actually wanted to get to have a scene or three with him as Violetta but simply haven't had the chance. In demon playing the path to redemption is a completely valid theme, a really good path to move down. However it is harder. It's much more difficult to play a demon seeking redemption in the midst of a grey and often violent world, surrounded by other demons seeking power. It's in a lot of ways what makes those characters special, can they fight against the tides and demonic pressure to maintain their redemptive course, you know?

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:50:03 PM)
If you do change your mind and want to stick with it, the main thing we'd need to do is work out what time zone you are in so that I can hook you up with one of our scene runners and get SL hooks thrown your way. Defeating NPC's, coming to other pc's aid, npc's aid etc is what you will use to raise your eminence and standing even higher than it is. I know surrounded by demons that are all more ruthless and less humane you feel somewhat "outside" of things. I still maintain that while it's the harder path IC, it's an incredibly worhtwhile and important path, and Tommy fills an important role in the demon game as a result.

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:52:15 PM)
Last thing! I'm also really concerned about you feeling OOC stalked/harassed in the demon venue and if you ever have those problems, feel that way, please come to talk to one of the team. Regardless of what happens IC, OOC harassment, bullying etc is simply not tolerated on any level within the venue.

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 10:53:46 PM)
I did come to you and sent you the logs of it.. But onto what you said about tommy..

Dusk (May 14, 2011 10:54:33 PM)
Cool and as a result the player has permanantly lost his character and will likely never return to the venue. I'm sorry you were under the ooc pressure for so long over that issue.

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 11:00:29 PM)
I agree it is much harder, but I just can't play a evil bastard whos given up hope and only grasping for power. There for the other type of demon does not fit with my style of role play, and I am unable to play a character in the venue that is easy to meld well with the others, or even see things from the same light. It is as you said harder, but as I am not a very educated demon player, going a route that is harder for even the more knowledgeable demon player makes it for me some what impossible to do on any sort of level. I figure venue light thrall is like just background noise and im not feeling like im struggling on a sinking ship or lost in a haze of confusion.

Dusk (May 14, 2011 11:02:33 PM)
Okay no problem :) Also we have had several players start off mortal, become thralled and then decide they feel ready to be ic posessed with a demon. That may be a route to take to gently lead a character into the demon game. Please feel free to contact me regarding sanctioning, thralling or anything you may need.

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 11:02:54 PM)
okay thank you

Dusk (May 14, 2011 11:03:49 PM)
np! *runs off to look after little people*

Thumpr OOC (May 14, 2011 11:03:54 PM)
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