Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:04:47 PM)
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Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:05:46 PM)
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Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:05:59 PM)
Hey there

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:06:05 PM)
Give me a sec

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:06:19 PM)
And did you read Omen's response to you today?

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:09:18 PM)
Argh my comp is driving me insane... and no he must have only responded recenltly as i didnt see anything earlier ill check again

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:09:44 PM)
Okies, I am about to take a peek and then I will pull up your sheet and all

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:15:35 PM)
Read it and responded... no offense but this site is really starting to irk me when it comes to character creation

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:16:11 PM)
Let me read

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:17:53 PM)
okay

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:23:14 PM)
Bear with still digesting. I know nada about the Yakuza so it is a learning experience for me

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:24:13 PM)
Lol, its fine... as I said I am from japan myself and have personal ties... though not a member myself

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:24:30 PM)
so its alittle irking for people to say im wrong when i have experience otherwise

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:25:58 PM)
I get it, but I have to make it fit into this setting.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:28:41 PM)
-nods- as i told both of them i dont want any influence or any real direct ties to the yakuza... thats why i had her 'spear head' the opperation. Doing so would cut her off from it in most ways until she succeeds [which is very unlikely ic]

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:34:48 PM)
You are not going to like what I have to say

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:35:32 PM)
...depends on what it is, if it completely ruins the concept im not going to bother with this character

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:37:23 PM)
I am not going to dispute your knowledge of the culture, but in this setting I cannot fit this character in. So what I am left with is that you can make an American criminal influence type. Or you can make a Japanese character without the Yakuza ties. If I sanction this one with the Yakuza ties I will have several venues out for my head on a pike.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:38:48 PM)
Like I said she doesnt have any real ties, her only ties is 'my father is yakuza and he asked me to come here and try to expand"

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:39:10 PM)
American ties are -impossible- with this character

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:39:50 PM)
and as far as the lack of the yakuza backstory that would destroy the character's concept completely... its her entire reason for coming to this country

Leslie Neau (Jan 19, 2011 10:40:18 PM)
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Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:40:56 PM)
I hate to be this way but I just cannot do that

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:43:12 PM)
What would you have me do then? She -cannot- have any american ties considered her mechanics. she is a foreigner that doesnt even speak english fluently. I really don't see the problem with have a yakuza woman thats been cut off either

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 10:44:26 PM)
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Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 10:47:28 PM)
Ok, she has no American ties, she barely speaks english, and you want her to be the daughter of a powerful Yakuza who was sent here to branch out but that will have no real influence other than that she is a child of that culture? Making sure I have the concept you want down so is what I stated correct?

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:48:55 PM)
More or less but the 'powerful yakuza' father is a bit of a stretch, i viewed her family as more of a side branch or has been than one of the controlling factors... and her only 'american' tie is the one she made a pact with that sent her to where she was supposed to be in the background. -nods-

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 10:50:35 PM)
Here is the issue I have with this concept. As a human, and daughter to a yakuza 'boss', she wouldn't be allowed out of his sight for long. Let alone out of the country. Except for the possibility of studying abroad, and even then it would be a very short venture. If she was possessed by a demon before leaving japan, why head to New Orleans at all? With the host firmly implanted in a powerful organization such as the Yakuza, why would the demon leave that default power base behind to go someplace where it has nothing?

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 10:52:22 PM)
I think being tied in what-so-ever to mainland Japan's crime famillies, is really not befitting to a game in New Orleans. As I stated in your background thread, someone with no such ties trying to use the name for clout when starting a local gang is one thing. But to truly have any real affiliation with them? That's another thing entirely, and does not really conform to the setting.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 10:56:53 PM)
Okay I give you that it would be a bit of a stretch if she were still underage or the like. However she is a full grown woman and this serves as a right of passage in a way. To -prove- to her father that she is worthy of such a high possition in her family. As far as why the demon would leave the yakuza the demon itself has no desire to be in such a position of poewr in the human world, she seeks lucifer even if it means traveling to antartica. The thing that attracted the demon to this vessel was the spirit for the fight and the honor of the samurai not the criminal ties [since your likely going to ask]. And as I responded to your post in my thread I didn't make this character to use the ties, its just an excuse to get her to this setting.

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:00:39 PM)
The morningstar has already made his appearance in Las Angeles. A very public matter amongst the fallen as I'm sure you can imagine. There needs to be some other reason for the fallen to be in New Orleans. As for a female daughter of a yakuza boss? They don't have high positions. A daughter to a yakuza boss proves herself to him and earns her honor through good grades, artistic merit, and bureacratic business sense. Not ability with a sword, pistol, intimidation and racketeering like a son might. I'm not sexist. I agree a woman should be able to hold such positions should she prove herself worthy of them. Sadly, the Yakuza still are. They hold to Traditions that have been going strong for ages. You can still tell a true yakuza most the time by the fact they're missing a finger, as very few make it to old age without screwing up at least once.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:03:53 PM)
And yes it is WW cannon that Lucifer made an appearance. It was dealt with in several suppliments as well as some paper backs.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:04:14 PM)
And his appearance has been worked into the back story of this setting. He appeared in LA

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:04:49 PM)
Okay here is were I openly disagree with you, yes some families of the Yakuza are still traditionalist shogunistic but I have personal experience otherwise in real life. I have ties to the yakuza myself though I am not a member myself. In the family my brother belongs to women have just as much chance to gain high possitions as a man does, i know several that have. As far as the morningstar already having made an appearance that I cannot help as all i have are the three base books that are required in the forums, i have no suppliments no side books.

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:10:21 PM)
I'm not going to question you on that. All I can say that as a member of staff, I have to go on what I know. What I know, from personal experience, is that they are indeed very traditional. They do still hold to their sexist hierarchial values. And in the world of darkness? It's probably even worse. If we were to bring in a Yakuza family as NPCs? They would follow this same standard that I hold PCs to. So the call regarding a "Yakuza Princess" concept coming to New Orleans without her family? Isn't going to fly I'm afraid. As for the deal with the Morning Star, that's completely fine and understandable. We all realize that not everyone has every book, and even those who do havn't memorized them all. That's why we try to discuss these concepts and issues with someone ahead of time, so they can be made aware of what's going on in the world around them that their PC would know about, even if the player would not.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:10:54 PM)
I cannot comment on any knowledge of this group as I have admitted I have none. I do know I have a real hard time fitting this into this setting it is about like pounding a square peg into a round hole

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:13:40 PM)
Then what would you have me do Omen? Emi -has- to be japanese as I have her now with reason to have not only the combat knowledge that i have already given her but reason to come to america without even full understanding of the language. I cannot go back and rewrite the entire 6page + bg that i wasted a week on writing so what would you have me do?

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:15:01 PM)
What I would have you do is change the yukuza side

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:16:03 PM)
One can be Japanese and not Yakuza as my limited understanding of the culture goes there are many in the modern age who still study martial arts and the like. In fact as a MMA buff I know many go to Japan to study.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:16:25 PM)
So it is not a stretch that a modern Japanese woman would study the martial arts.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:16:37 PM)
Hell many do it for excersize

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:16:43 PM)
to what? i would need something with as much combat xp as a yakuza, to be trained in the honor of the samurai, and have reason to come to america

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:16:53 PM)
-nods- The Yakuza aspect isn't fitting. At least not to the vision of the venue as it stands. If you feel the need to make the character heavily combat oriented, there are plenty of opportunities just like Nasty says.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:17:20 PM)
again, what do i change it to

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:17:23 PM)
Oh really? Let me use myself as a personal example

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:17:43 PM)
If I was a character with dots I would be considered a combat monkey

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:18:09 PM)
Kendo, while a sport, still holds to many samurai standards. Just being from mainland Japan and of a traditional familly will give you a reason to hold strong to a personal concept of honor.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:18:43 PM)
I am an avid hunter and into firearms so yes I am good with knife and gun, I am also a long time amature wrestler and coach so I can brawl. Note I am not in organized crime.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:19:09 PM)
So for say your concept as Omen said study kendo

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:19:12 PM)
Judo

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:19:17 PM)
These two things alone can give you the honor system, and melee. Kendo is often paired with Aikido and Iai-do. Which leads to brawl, and a more lethal system of melee. Firearms will be a problem, however, as guns are not permitted in Japan. 90% of the time even the law enforcement doesn't carry a sidearm.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:19:39 PM)
hell I watched one MMA show where they even studied the katina while working other martial arts

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:20:22 PM)
...tell me when you are done since by the time i get anything typed up you have already commented on it

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:20:34 PM)
Please, go ahead.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:21:05 PM)
Go ahead

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:23:47 PM)
Okay, yes, as you said Omen kendo alone would give the since of honor and xp with melee, brawl, dodge etc... but it wouldn't give anything for the 1 dot in fire arms... and as you said its illegal to have a gun as a normal citezen in japan [a fact im proud of myself]. In addition what would be the reason for a girl with the same basic history as mine just replace yakuza with another family... maybe a small gang to compensate for teh dot in firearms... to come to america, with the yakuza its easy to explain but few japanese otherwise have reason to get involved with american beyond trade.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:26:18 PM)
Ok here is where I speak up

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:26:36 PM)
I have a real issue with a background written to justify combat dots

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:27:08 PM)
This to me or Omen?

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:27:08 PM)
generally I think one should write a background to a charrie they want to play then make dots to fit it

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:27:16 PM)
This is to you

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:27:45 PM)
Not pick the number of say combat dots they want then work up a background to fit that

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:29:38 PM)
I have to agree. I hate that you spent alot of time on a background when the concept just doesn't fit the game. But that's pretty much what has happened here.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:29:40 PM)
Okay here is where I repeat my biggest issue with this chat, I have never been required to make a background before hand to get sanctioned in any chat ive ever been on. Furthermore I am not going to write a big then fill in the sheet later because I would be unable to do it, the sheet would either be completely underpowered or too op to be allowed.

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:30:29 PM)
Requiring a background is pretty standard on oWoD chats. IV, RoD, SI, the list goes on. Even non oWoD chats require it the majority of the time.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:30:40 PM)
Well then you have never played on any of the chats I have been involved with as it is pretty standard

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:31:38 PM)
As far as WoD chats ive only been on two, this and and an unmodded chat. However ive played on nearing 20 other chats ranging from DnD to BESM to Exalted to L5R

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:32:05 PM)
Either way I had the concept figured out before I did the sheet so it would have ended up like this anyway

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:32:06 PM)
The unmod chat was unmod for a reason

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:32:36 PM)
I can't speak for alot of those. I do play on a SAGA star wars chat, and an exalted chat, and a DnD chat...all of which require backgrounds to play. -shrugs-

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:32:44 PM)
This is a moderated chat as New Bremen was a moderated chat if you want to go way back

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:33:25 PM)
Okay... but thats not the issue as much as I dislike bgs being required before hand.. the issue now is how to fix the concept for this character...

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:34:14 PM)
My suggestion? Come up with a concept more befitting to a game set in New Orleans, rather than one for a game set in Tokyo or Kyoto.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:35:08 PM)
I need to make this character fit in this setting otherwise i have no reason to play

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:35:20 PM)
How do you figure?

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:35:21 PM)
and i break a promise to someone thats alrady been sanct

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:35:31 PM)
Because this is the only concept i care fore

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:36:18 PM)
Okay..

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:36:42 PM)
This concept is not going to work here

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:36:53 PM)
The back story needs re-written

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:37:16 PM)
So I need to change the Yakuza part, which for the most part has already been done, i just need a reason for her to be in america... and the entire bg wont be re-written only the motal

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:37:18 PM)
mortal

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:37:25 PM)
A japanese woman, wrapped around organized crime in japan, stylized after samurai....isn't going to work in New Orleans Louisianna.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:37:52 PM)
okay, like we have already agreed the yakuza part is being changed

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:38:01 PM)
but the japanese part is staying

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:38:07 PM)
that alright?

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:38:23 PM)
Of course. I'm japanese. You think I'd say no? lol

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:38:48 PM)
However, the organized crime aspect just doesn't work. Not if it was based out of Japan itself.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:39:02 PM)
Remove the yakuza part, japanese staying is alright, need a reason to come to america and a reason to be in new orleans specifically

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:39:19 PM)
whats the university?

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:39:45 PM)
A japanese woman who practiced martial arts and was part of a very traditional familly coming to america isn't rare at all. It happens all the time. It's how I got here.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:40:08 PM)
I got here by being adopted by a man I absolutely hate, my lifes goal is to go home

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:40:27 PM)
Tulane and University of NO are the first that come to mind.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:40:43 PM)
Which would be more likely for an 'exchange' studen?

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:40:45 PM)
I am sure there are some local colleges as well

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:40:56 PM)
Prolly UNO.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:40:58 PM)
Tulane I would say

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:41:02 PM)
Heh

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:41:06 PM)
lol so either then

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:41:08 PM)
Really? lol, either would work honestly.

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:41:09 PM)
Yea

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:41:20 PM)
-secretly just wanted to say UNO-

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:41:48 PM)
I said Tulane because it is the one I hear about in D1 athletics more....to be D1 one you have to be huge so probably exchange students

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:42:12 PM)
Alright so how is this, I change yakuza to a traditional family with a slight past in a gang for the firearms, change the spearheading to being accepted by the university of new orleans, with the same basic story?

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:42:36 PM)
And honestly, a woman from japan coming to America? Has every reason to fear for her safety. If you're really adamant on the firearms 1? You could have picked it up at a NO firing range.

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:42:52 PM)
After all, you're going from a country with no guns. To a country wear you can buy a gun at walmart.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:43:05 PM)
that works... though how would the streetwise come in?

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:43:05 PM)
I would rather see the gang thing nixed.

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:43:59 PM)
I got alot of friends from the islands. Many female. Streetwise isn't really something they're known for.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:44:21 PM)
I was told by Peach to take at least one dot

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:44:36 PM)
then again she was all for the yakuza bit

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:45:16 PM)
Yakuza would warrent streetwise. But Yakuza isn't fitting. If you want to do an exchange student concept? Things will have to change a bit.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:45:34 PM)
alright what would you suggest the streetwise go to then?

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:45:38 PM)
its only 1 dot

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:45:53 PM)
Academics if you're a collegic exchange student.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:46:08 PM)
Or computer

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:46:18 PM)
Sorry slow looking at the sheet

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Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:46:30 PM)
Hrm..

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:46:42 PM)
Said she was having puter issues

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:46:52 PM)
Ah, and I thought she was mad I didn't recomend demolitions..

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:46:58 PM)
earlier or mayeb she got tired of the nasty and Omen show

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:47:01 PM)
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Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:47:08 PM)
Wb

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:47:09 PM)
wb

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:47:20 PM)
thanks... when i went to edit sheet it took out the chat

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:47:38 PM)
NP

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:47:44 PM)
The dots have been changed

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:47:50 PM)
Nasty is right. Looking at your sheet, computer would be a really good place to put it. Computer knowledge is learned in elementary school for people from Japan. heh

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:47:50 PM)
It may be messing with you since I am looking at your sheet

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:48:07 PM)
alright... ill change it again

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:48:48 PM)
now she has comp 1

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:48:52 PM)
You need some linguistics as well if she speaks any english at all

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:49:32 PM)
she doesnt, hence the flaw language barrier

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:49:55 PM)
the flaw states that i can understand it but cannot speak it without a dictionary or translator

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:49:56 PM)
How does she communitcate then?

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:50:15 PM)
You realize to be an exchange student, you have to speak english. Yes?

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:50:36 PM)
She does, just not on a level of full comprehension, hence the flaw

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:51:14 PM)
She could not even attend class then.

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:51:26 PM)
I suggest doing away with the flaw, as well as clannish family, and taking a dot in linguistics. It's going to make life easier for you by far and is going to fit the new history alot better.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:51:29 PM)
by the flaw i can understand it fine i just cant speak it

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:51:41 PM)
If you can't speak it. You don't qualify as an exchange student.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:52:31 PM)
clannish family wouls still fit for the traditional family, as far as the language barrier thats one of the key points of this character

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:53:00 PM)
Alright, here is where we are.

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:53:19 PM)
As you can see both sheet and BG need some work.

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:53:28 PM)
A clannish family in japan, doesn't have any affect on your character here in New Orleans. So it's not worth any points.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:53:31 PM)
sheet has already been fixed

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:53:47 PM)
argh so now the character is completely useless then!@

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:54:19 PM)
Your character is useless, because you have to lose a flaw that in no way affects gameplay?

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:54:36 PM)
And I have to go to bed soon. Work on it and catch either Omen or me when the changes have been made. I will not be around tomorrow as I have a RL commitment.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:54:52 PM)
Clannish family is easy to replace but you also want me to take out language barrier which is one of the corner stones of this character

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:55:13 PM)
Not being able to speak enflish is a cornerstone?

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:55:20 PM)
english*

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:55:22 PM)
yes

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:55:25 PM)
not fully at leas

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:55:26 PM)
t

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:55:42 PM)
Got to go guys

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:55:48 PM)
alright nasty, cya

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:55:49 PM)
Later nasty

Nasty (Jan 19, 2011 11:55:56 PM)
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Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:56:01 PM)
I'm gonna stick around a few and see if I can help you work through this.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:56:07 PM)
thanks

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:56:29 PM)
Thing is? If you're an exchange student...you have to speak english. That's just a given.

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:56:41 PM)
Otherwise, you wouldn't qualify as an exchange student in the first place.

Emi Yamamoto (Jan 19, 2011 11:57:44 PM)
Alright so exchange student is out as well... what about the immediate family moving to the states? that wouldnt require english and it would also keep the family around...

Omen (Jan 19, 2011 11:59:02 PM)
I don't see a problem with that, but either way, this is looking like you're going to need a new background for this character. At least the mortal aspect.