Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:26:18 PM)
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Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:26:41 PM)
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Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:26:45 PM)
Welcome
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:26:49 PM)
*sigh*
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:27:08 PM)
Okay. This is only OOC conversation.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:27:18 PM)
Okay. lol So.. since this all started with Eyes coming to Lukas, I'll start.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:27:25 PM)
Okay.
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:27:49 PM)
Well she went to lukas because of me...
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:27:53 PM)
But, go ahead.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:29:05 PM)
((Yeah it's okay hon, we all know that you asked Eyes to talk to Keening Sorrow. It's done with. lol)) Eyes asked Lukas about Kaia's intentions toward Mark. Cited that she was concerned Kaia was leading Mark on. Lukas told her it wasn't her business. She said she had a right as Mark's packmate. Lukas told her to ask Mark for her answers then, because Lukas didn't owe her any answers.
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:29:09 PM)
Mark have you seen my new shower products yet?
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:29:17 PM)
yes
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:29:23 PM)
Keening and Eyes argued a bit.. But really, that was the end of the entire conversation.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:30:09 PM)
Lukas then went to Mark and Bastian. And I believe I told ya both the same thing at the same time. "Eyes was asking about Kaia's intentions toward Mark."
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:30:19 PM)
At this time Mark and Kaia were not 'official' anyway, right?
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:30:32 PM)
It was Keening that brought it to me.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:30:37 PM)
We were not public.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:31:00 PM)
We were officially dating before the almost frenzy on keening
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:31:03 PM)
*nods* Keening..I don't know. I don't play him. lol But yeah.. I know I caught ya both at once in the sept grounds. This.. is the END of Lukas' involvement.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:31:06 PM)
by like a day or so
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:31:31 PM)
Correct Lukas.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:31:54 PM)
Mark.. I think it's you. lol You talked to Eyes?
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:32:09 PM)
So mark confronted Eyes, asking what right did she have to ask others about his relationship with Kaia, and saying that Kaia was leading Mark on. I told her it's none of her business who I dated or whatever.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:32:09 PM)
(as in your turn to take the narrative)
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:32:12 PM)
Oh he did... and that started WW3
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:32:29 PM)
She said she didn't say that.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:32:57 PM)
I said You Tribemate Keening said you did and that Lukas also said you did, are you saying they are both lying... She said yes both of them are liars
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:33:27 PM)
(Oh good.. this much I can prove wrong with the first day's log. Yay))
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:33:55 PM)
That is what sparked her demanding respect from mark and that he should belive her becasue she's pack and pack is the end all be all.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:34:19 PM)
Mark told her if you want respect then you can come and take it...
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:34:46 PM)
that is what sparked her publically at this point stating. I am packmate and I have the Right to approve who you take as a Mate.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:35:04 PM)
That is the exact term she used right Bastian?
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:35:48 PM)
She is recanting that she said she can approve.. .she says she could 'find out and warn' her packmate if she found something wrong with the kin.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:35:49 PM)
To which she is also now trying to claim she didn't say, in pack forums.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:36:22 PM)
She made the statement IC and has to deal with that, she can recant later but she said it and it stands
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:36:39 PM)
she's trying to cover her ass now cuz she knows she's in the wrong
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:37:07 PM)
So mark Challenged her on that fact and her taking warform on a packmate in a challenge
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:37:13 PM)
that's where we are right now.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:37:35 PM)
But yeah Lukas definately has issue with her calling him a Lair
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:37:41 PM)
That covers the IC. Cool. So we're all on the same page?
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:37:48 PM)
for that matter so does Keening
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:38:30 PM)
I would have used ToG but, OOC she is towing the same line. So no way to honestly use the gift without the logs.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:38:40 PM)
*nods*
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:38:52 PM)
That is where the Logs and an ST are going to have to get involved.
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:39:16 PM)
Where does the 3rd grade name calling come in now?
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:39:22 PM)
OOC.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:39:24 PM)
I have no clue
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:39:30 PM)
Eyes told me that OOC.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:40:16 PM)
She caught me in the OOC room the other day and told me Eyes was pissed at Lukas, and would attack him the next time she saw him.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:40:16 PM)
which is funny since i have not had a OOC conversation with eyes prior to yesterday in teh packroom
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:40:27 PM)
I asked why.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:40:48 PM)
She then PMd me to say that Eyes had been told Lukas was lying about her.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:41:32 PM)
I said I hadn't. She said "Lukas told Bastian and Mark that Eyes had called Kaia names."
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:41:40 PM)
I asked who told her that, she said Mark.
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:42:05 PM)
*shake head* I seriously have to deal with that kind of kiddy BS everyday.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:42:06 PM)
All mark said was the Eyes claimed Kaia was leading Mark on.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:42:23 PM)
which is what she told 2 other people
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:42:29 PM)
Lukas and Keening
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:43:17 PM)
I mean ICly this is putting strains on his and Kaia's relationship and he will choose Kaia over Eyes in a heartbeat
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:44:12 PM)
oh and btw Lukas you beat me to calling her yesterday to warn her LOL
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:44:26 PM)
Warn her?
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:44:41 PM)
about the whole me going off in pm's on you
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:44:42 PM)
I need more alchohol...
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:44:43 PM)
haha
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:44:45 PM)
I haven't warned her. I'd prefer she walks in overconfident.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:45:46 PM)
Gabby may be joining us. She's curious about the room. lol
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:45:53 PM)
Hey Mark... we are going to try to play game at the game store this week. We think they have good wifi.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:46:03 PM)
*nods*
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:46:04 PM)
Sure.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:46:04 PM)
I gave her the pw and said she's welcome, but that at the moment we're just putting together an FPM to pull logs.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:46:45 PM)
Op, she's cool with pulling logs first.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:47:11 PM)
*nods* I think that they are going to be needed.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:47:17 PM)
Okay, and yeah.. the OOC pm rant this afternoon was her -telling- me that I'm involved in her OOC drama, because I threatened Mark.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:47:39 PM)
And that she wants me at a meeting with her, both of you, and Keening to sort this all out.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:47:51 PM)
I refused.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:47:52 PM)
Not gonna happen
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:48:06 PM)
She had her chance yesterday with Two St's
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:48:30 PM)
A: IF (and no I don't believe it for a moment, Mark. lol) IFFF Mark's player reacted ICly to an OOC misunderstanding (that we've already fixed), then that's an issue for an ST. Not me.
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:48:37 PM)
I was confused. I thought you two were talking about Kaia for a moment.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:49:05 PM)
is that what you told her?
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:49:05 PM)
B: The heart of the OOC disagreement seems to be that She says Mark told her something and Mark says he didn't.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:50:00 PM)
I can look at the screenshot for my exact words if you like.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:50:20 PM)
ST's told me yesterday that yes I should challenge her concerning her position on approving pack member's mates, and taking warform
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:50:32 PM)
that is what he did IC he challenged her on only those 2 issues
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:50:38 PM)
I believe you.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:51:00 PM)
He figures Lukas and keening can deal with her on the other issues of her calling them liars
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:51:00 PM)
Here.. email addy if you want the screenies from her chat with me this afternoon.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:51:09 PM)
tbasurto1@hotmail.com
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:52:49 PM)
So IC I have done what the ST's told me to do, she then got all pissed because I wouldn't let her break the rules about initiative, and after waiting for hours
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:53:11 PM)
I was pissed because it could have been done with, she was like I am leaving, I said you leave you forfit the challenge
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:53:56 PM)
which I have told her was wrong on the Forums today, but I was irritated that she wouldn't just use the rules printed. Zhaed came in and told her no you roll each round, and she pretty much said that's not how I do it so I am not going to do it that way
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:54:20 PM)
brb
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 7:54:23 PM)
AFK...
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:55:58 PM)
back they were ringing the dinner bells here at the station
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:56:15 PM)
Sent
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:56:22 PM)
cool
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:57:06 PM)
Quite frankly Bastian..
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:57:25 PM)
brb again
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:57:26 PM)
Her running up and attacking Lukas without warning.. Might just be the best thing that could happen to Odonata's Chosen.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 7:58:35 PM)
Either way the fight goes.. Relentless would kill her. *chuckles*
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:59:06 PM)
lol
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:59:09 PM)
true
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:59:21 PM)
I am hoping that my challenge is done before that point LOL
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 7:59:58 PM)
to justify the IC delay we are going with both parties mediatating and reflecting on events before they meet in combat
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 8:04:58 PM)
A very Dragonfly thing to do.
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 8:06:13 PM)
I honestly thought that Apollo was going to be my problem child.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:06:22 PM)
They both are.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:06:26 PM)
Don't kid yourself.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:06:35 PM)
Okay, here's what I'm sending Hades:
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:06:47 PM)
An IC dispute has spilled OOC.
My attempt to explain why I shouldn't be involved devolved into an argument in a PM window, I will be happy to forward the screenshots to whatever addy you'd like. I uploaded them here:
http://dastai.webs.com/screenies.htm
But I can't get them any larger on the site. So I can forward them to ya if you can't read them well enough.
On Nov 24th in the [BSP] Sept of Shared Blood: Grounds...around 10AM PST:
Lukas and Keening Sorrow were with Taka Nakamoto at the archery range for a practice.
My PC, Lukas Vangelis was approached by Eyes like the Sky(Arlais), and asked about his ward(Kaia Skaare, Carissima). Eyes asked what her intentions were toward Mark Renner. That whole conversation is a matter of great dispute at this point. Pretty much from the moment she walked in, to the point Keening Sorrow and Lukas ceased to speak with her.
November 28th, same room, 7:30-8pm PST:
Eyes told Mark and Kaia she never said it.
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 8:06:58 PM)
I blame Arrianna. I kept her pack together for her and she bailed on me.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:07:37 PM)
That seem polite? lol
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:08:11 PM)
Oh Mark..what's your forum ID?
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:08:22 PM)
Menthril
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:08:25 PM)
sorry lagging a bit
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:08:25 PM)
So I can tag you like the others. *points at the note* Cool.
Bastian Schmitz (Nov 30, 2010 8:11:30 PM)
Can I not be involved at all? Other than an IC moderator... LOL>
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:12:03 PM)
I didn't mention ya. Originally I'd tried to expalin more of the BS..but it's really not important.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:12:05 PM)
LOL I love this.... Do You speak English
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:12:30 PM)
just made me laugh
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:12:31 PM)
After what you'd said the other way..I thought maybe I should check! She asked me the same thing I'd answered twice!
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:13:36 PM)
Added this to the FPM:
Sorry to cause a fuss, but a number of us are tired of dealing with it, and we need a definitive Truth to settle it. Hence..the logs. Thank you for your time.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:13:44 PM)
I'm hitting send. lol
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:15:51 PM)
Done. I'm out for a bit.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:16:01 PM)
Oh I understand.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:16:01 PM)
Sorry was still looking over the screenshots.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:16:10 PM)
wow I am laggin bad again
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:16:19 PM)
later
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:16:26 PM)
Guys.. thank you both for getting this much sorted out. At least we know there's no BS between ourselves.
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:16:38 PM)
Not at all
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:16:53 PM)
And my only issues now are competely IC
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:16:55 PM)
And by all means.. laugh at the screenshots. Someone should. I was ready to throw things.
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:17:02 PM)
>_<
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:17:04 PM)
lol
Mark Renner (Nov 30, 2010 8:17:16 PM)
I can laugh only cuz I wasn't involved in them
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:17:21 PM)
*nods*
Lukas Vangelis (Nov 30, 2010 8:17:23 PM)
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