Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:35:19 PM)
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Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:35:55 PM)
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Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:36:52 PM)
Ok Garou politics.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:37:11 PM)
there's two major offices that deal with these.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:37:31 PM)
First is the truth catcher and the second is the Master of the Challeng

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:38:04 PM)
Now what I have a feeling you might be un aware of is that the Master of the Challenge has higher station than the truth catcher.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:38:25 PM)
Infact, the Truth Catcher is an assistant to the Master of the Challenge

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:38:49 PM)
O.o

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:39:12 PM)
It's in the ST guide and i think the Guide to the Garou

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:39:19 PM)
>>

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:39:27 PM)
which i don't have..

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:39:32 PM)
The Truth Catcher is a lesser office to the Master of the Challenge

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:40:13 PM)
Normally the Truth Catcher is played like a major NPC online.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:40:41 PM)
but in reality it's pretty much the guy that settles minor disputes that aren't worth initiating a challenge

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:40:55 PM)
ok...

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:41:17 PM)
However.... If someone calls you out on a challenge.. then the Truth Catcher really can't help you.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:41:35 PM)
That's the first issue.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:41:37 PM)
gotcha...

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:42:04 PM)
sorry was confused since mostly haved deal with the truth ctcher

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:42:18 PM)
and lukas siad challege or we talk to the truth catcher

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:42:30 PM)
Right, minor inconciences really.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:42:47 PM)
yeah but you can see where i got cofused

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:42:54 PM)
absolutely

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:43:30 PM)
well that brings up the second problem.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:43:59 PM)
While the Truth catcher tends to settle lesser disputes, it tends to make more work for the STs

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:44:09 PM)
thats where we got to pull logs and logs of material

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:44:15 PM)
gotcha

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:44:36 PM)
Since no one came to us with the rooms and the dates on all this stuff.. we couldn't really do that.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:44:49 PM)
and the problem expanded over several dates.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:45:16 PM)
right

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:45:17 PM)
The next best choice is to take the dispute to the Master of the Challenge where lieing doesn't matter.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:45:25 PM)
gotcha

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:45:47 PM)
well that's fine but it needs to be clear lukas challeged eyes..

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:46:03 PM)
for that i can give a rough time and a defent date

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:46:03 PM)
That's the problem.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:46:08 PM)
It's perspective.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:46:23 PM)
no he came up to her and said i challege you

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:46:32 PM)
on friday

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:46:34 PM)
Not according to the boards.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:46:55 PM)
ok on friday the 3rd,

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:47:00 PM)
at which point with no ST there in the room we have to go by what we seen.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:47:01 PM)
at sarah's wedding

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:47:22 PM)
hmm ok.. let me check something on that then

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:47:23 PM)
and there were other peole who saw him challege her

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:48:43 PM)
Right.... Well I don't know who it is for certian.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:50:04 PM)
wasabe, kele, bastian, bastian's wife

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:50:16 PM)
mark, kaia

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:50:22 PM)
they were all there

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:50:36 PM)
And thats the issue you have to deal with when it the Master of the Challenge is brought into play.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:51:00 PM)
as i said lukas challeged her

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:51:21 PM)
You see, thats where perspective comes into play.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:51:43 PM)
not when he came up and said i challege you

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:52:03 PM)
and unfortunately neither I nor you know what the Master of the Challenge is going to decide.

Larissa Connerton (Dec 5, 2010 7:52:13 PM)
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Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:52:18 PM)
Hey Larissa

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:52:22 PM)
Need something?

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:52:48 PM)
yeah and really i'm just... sick of this crap over all

Larissa Connerton (Dec 5, 2010 7:53:03 PM)
Not particularly. Didn't know it was a private discussion *shimmies back to the OOC* =)

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:53:08 PM)
he bloodly challeged HER

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Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:53:15 PM)
Well, that's what happens when you get into the dramatics of the WtA game.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:53:32 PM)
It's a matter of perspective...

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:53:39 PM)
....

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:55:34 PM)
For instance the Talon smelled another Garou's scent on one of his trees

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:55:47 PM)
as such the talon considered that a challenge

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:56:40 PM)
ok...

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:57:27 PM)
hey tpo player of wasabe wants to know something really fast

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:57:41 PM)
In the case of Lukas and Eyes. He heard you called him a liar. As such it's a disrespect to their honor, especially in the case of the Get of Fenris.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:57:50 PM)
And could be considered a challenge

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 7:58:49 PM)
well she was asked by bastian if he was caling him a liar which eyes said yes if he was spreading the lies

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 7:59:49 PM)
it's really about persective.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:01:11 PM)
*grumbles*

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:01:51 PM)
wll bastian does remeber lukas challeging her

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:03:16 PM)
If Lukas considered something Eyes did as a challenge, then he can claim it as a challenge and leave it to the Master of the Challenge to decide.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:04:27 PM)
And I believe that's where you are at now.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:04:27 PM)
great...

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:04:46 PM)
i'm really just.. sick of people pulling crap

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:05:01 PM)
That's how Garou politics work.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:06:19 PM)
yeah and it sucks

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:06:35 PM)
It's not Vampire the Masquerade where you can get into political trickery.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:08:37 PM)
Garou society is based all around honor.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:08:57 PM)
i don't play vampire

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:09:11 PM)
and when you insult someone's honor, then you get stuck into the political backlash.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:09:30 PM)
well people shouldn't spread lies

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:09:40 PM)
I get that.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:10:33 PM)
but he's got the right to call a challenge in which case you may or may not threatened his honor.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:10:40 PM)
that's how garou politics work.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:11:25 PM)
just as Eyes can do the same thing

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:11:30 PM)
*sighes*

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:15:10 PM)
does this make a bit of sence.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:15:13 PM)
yes it sucks.

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:15:29 PM)
i'm feeling like slamming my head into a wall

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:15:42 PM)
yep

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:16:05 PM)
Keep in mind it's the world of darkness... not the world of fuzzy kittens and rainbow farts

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:16:14 PM)
i know

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:16:21 PM)
It's not supposed to be a pleasant game all the time

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:16:22 PM)
but sometimes i feel like

Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:17:23 PM)
people like maing things provlematic

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:18:30 PM)
yeah best bet is to get active with your pack and do what you can do.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:18:36 PM)
Stay away from the drama

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:19:12 PM)
cuz that's what is gonna get you bit in the rump

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:19:52 PM)
that's all I wanted to talk about.

Zhaed-forums (Dec 5, 2010 8:20:01 PM)
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Eyes Like the Sky (Dec 5, 2010 8:21:54 PM)
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