Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:14:55 PM)
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Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:15:59 PM)
*she sits down under a nice tree in the bawn property* If he asks after the pack I think we should have a game plan laid out.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:16:34 PM)
agreed *she sat down, stretching her legs*

Horus Alexander (Jul 10, 2010 5:16:59 PM)
i was going to tell him to talk to you Sarah

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:17:19 PM)
Part of that plan should factor in what Matt has to say about all this. All we have is rumor, what Peanuts said to me which I think was more him being ticked, and of course what we just picked up from Mark....which I must say is quite the little gossup hound when you let him chatter.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:17:42 PM)
*nods* it could be beneficial, to a point...

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:20:12 PM)
~chuckles~ I like gossip hounds

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:20:18 PM)
And I know Matt...

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:20:26 PM)
OK what Peanuts said to me is this.....this kin Dahlia, is in some sort of danger that Takes No Shit is aware of. The specifics of that danger are known to Peanuts and his pack beta, but the elders told him not to go blabbing it around. Peanuts with that knowledge ordered his pack to take up protective rotations around the kin. Meanwhile it's also true Matt spoke to his tribal elder and will have permission to mate with this kin soon.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:20:50 PM)
((not Matt...peanuts))

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:21:25 PM)
So we got Peanuts, not able to tell his packmates beyond his beta what the danger is, protecting a kinfolk who Peanuts is going to mate soon.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:22:03 PM)
The way Matt sees this is Peanuts abusing his Alpha priviledges in order to selfishly protect his mate to be, for no good reason.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:23:04 PM)
*she nodded some,listening*

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:24:14 PM)
And cockblocking him?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:25:00 PM)
So you see it's a matter of trust. Does one trust that there Alpha has some things they were ordered not to devulge, and are giving orders accordingly? Or does one think the Alpha is just being selfish and having the pack play nursemaid to a kin for no good reason?

Horus Alexander (Jul 10, 2010 5:25:22 PM)
cockblocking?

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:25:35 PM)
Matt has his own kin girl he likes

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:25:40 PM)
that can be a hard thing, especially when it seems that mcp didnt grant him what he wanted, allowing him to mate lenore

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:27:02 PM)
so if you have two kin girls, one you can't have sex with and the one you want to have sex with and a young male garou... which one does he want to be around? Then Peanut is flaunting his girl making the pack protect her, and stalling you're own chance to get a mate?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:27:15 PM)
According to Peanuts.... Takes no Shit, kinda left the decision for his mating permissions to Peanuts, his pack Alpha. Matt's been talking crap about the orders to guard Dahlia, and has been doing a shitty job of following orders lately. Peanuts said that sense it was his call suddenly, he intended to use the mating priviledge to make Matt shape up.

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:27:19 PM)
I can see Roadhouse being a bit bitter

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:27:55 PM)
And I think Emilie pegged exactly how Matt sees this.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:28:07 PM)
Or did you hear that from Matt directly?

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:28:26 PM)
I grew up with Matt around

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:28:55 PM)
his dad and my daddy were friends before Daddy passed on

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:29:39 PM)
Just taking the logical guess

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:29:42 PM)
*she nodded slightly, cheing her lip in thought*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:29:54 PM)
There is one thing I will point out that I haven't heard of Matt doing......Peanuts said directly he can't tell what the danger is due to the elders. So just to make sure hes not going off half cocked, why didn't Matt talk to Takes no Shit to verify if there WAS a danger and that indeed Peanuts was ordered to silence?

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:30:04 PM)
Matt has trouble thinking past consequences

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:30:27 PM)
That would have settled the TRUST issue right there.

Horus Alexander (Jul 10, 2010 5:30:39 PM)
or create others

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:30:48 PM)
Without challenges, without drama...perhaps an elder being annoyed at some claith verifying things but overall painless?

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:30:53 PM)
i mean last time we were in a fight, he threw a maltov in the middle and hurt people on both sides.

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:31:18 PM)
Matt.. good fighter, good friend, not the brightest bulb ever

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:32:19 PM)
*nods*

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:33:04 PM)
with recon, what would happen if he did such an action and revealed our position?

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:33:42 PM)
I like him just fine, this isn't the pack for him though

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:34:18 PM)
Oh Peanuts was cockblocking him alright...but from what I can tell, mostly because Matts been protesting orders, talking shit, and being troublesome for the past week or so. Before the mating issue even came up. After that...well, Peanuts wanted Matt to grow up before he'd be allowed to mate. Yeah it's a cockblock, but perhaps not without reason.

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:34:29 PM)
he belongs in a war pack with a strong leader. And Peanut talks weird, it likely confusing for him

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:35:05 PM)
*smirks* He does talk strangely. Listening to him talk is like solving a riddle. One of the reasons I find the Gnawer interesting.

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:35:12 PM)
yeah but if he just said "No becuse you're not behaving" Matt would just plow through him

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:35:23 PM)
Matt kinda did...

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:35:29 PM)
Mated her over Peanuts head.

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:35:31 PM)
If he said.. "Yes, after you do this"

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:35:46 PM)
...True. Sometimes it's how you put things.

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:35:51 PM)
Then Matt would of plowed through the task

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:35:55 PM)
Peanuts not the most elequant guy around.

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:36:24 PM)
Stick... carrot... give matt a task and tell him the reward, he'll do it

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:36:26 PM)
isnt he from right around here?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:36:57 PM)
So....................Neith believes his past impulsiveness makes him a poor fit for this pack. You, Emilie think he'd be good in a war park with a strong leader, but that pack isn't ours. Horus your thoughts?

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:37:15 PM)
Yep... like I said.... we;ve known each other since we were kids ~might explain why she knows how to push Matt's buttons~

Horus Alexander (Jul 10, 2010 5:38:36 PM)
*he looks * i think that he is a loose cannon.. and we may not be able to control him when it is needed

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:40:24 PM)
*nodded in agreement*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:41:44 PM)
And to be honest, I don't have time to be house breaking a puppy. I'm sure he'll make a descent fighter for some pack but we need finesse. I agree with your accessments. The plan of action is simple. If he does ask after the pack do not reject him outright. Tell him to come talk to me. I will listen to what he has to say on all this....mostly because I'm a curious evil ragabash who, well am a curious evil ragabash. I WILL say no, but will go through the motions of consideration mainly to not piss the guy off. We owe him at least the courtesy of a conversation before we say no. Which I'll handle. I may even point out several reasons WHY he won't fit.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:42:55 PM)
*she nodded* that would have been my plan anyway

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:43:22 PM)
*shrugs* Sense we on this subject.....any newcomers out there you think might be good for the pack? We have descent numbers at the moment but there is room to grow.

Horus Alexander (Jul 10, 2010 5:45:02 PM)
none i have seen as of yet.. but.. most do not come to me

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:45:25 PM)
i havent seen many either....

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:45:40 PM)
eh I would of just had a heart to heart with him and see how many hoops I could get him to jump through...

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:45:51 PM)
Should I?

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:45:56 PM)
~absently~

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:45:57 PM)
*grins evily*

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:46:08 PM)
but, i hate to say it, but i think that it might be a good idea to see if mark wants to be a kin ward of the pack. he's already offering mto help us, and he's got a damn good reason for the things he's done

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:46:11 PM)
I considered it but hes not really pissed me off.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:47:49 PM)
I'm not willing to go that far until I can speak to Grandmother Hilma. I am STILL upset about the rites. I still want advice. I just realized when he made that generous offer that the kin himself is not to blame. I just think his sept theurges were idiots. I mean come on they can't even answer the riddle? No wonder his sept pissed off there Guardian spirits. They were all drooling morons.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:48:46 PM)
agreed. but, i think it is something we should highly consider.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:50:01 PM)
But he's Fianna kin. Would they even allow us to make him a ward of the pack?

Horus Alexander (Jul 10, 2010 5:51:22 PM)
they have many kin.. they may not notice

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:51:29 PM)
they might. or, perhaps a joint ward. for tribal issues, they go to him. for general issues, they go to us

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:51:40 PM)
they=he

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:51:54 PM)
This gets strange.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:52:31 PM)
*she shrugged* i've seen it work well before

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:52:35 PM)
or, they may not mind

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:54:34 PM)
Or we get Fianna

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 5:54:44 PM)
~half smirk~

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Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:56:22 PM)
I won't consider this until I speak with Grandmother Hilma on his particularities.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:56:43 PM)
Don't even bring up the possibility to him or his tribe yet.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:57:06 PM)
*she nodded* perhaps it would be best to do, so we can keep an eye on him, and teach him the proper way to protect informaiton and knowledge *she shrugged*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 5:57:43 PM)
You think to do this more as a protective measure?

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:59:06 PM)
mostly, yes

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 5:59:43 PM)
i think he might be a good asset

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:00:55 PM)
You know he has a bit of an ego. I'm not the only garou hes ticked off. If we take responsiblity we got to deal with the results of that too. Right now it's the Fianna in general that do....not us.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:03:41 PM)
*she nodded* perhaps, we can spend some time with him as he works on the pack house, and talk with him about this

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 6:07:04 PM)
I might talk to him anyway

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:08:00 PM)
*she gave a nod, her face neutral as she thinks*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:08:54 PM)
*nods* How I "lead" is basically simple....in peace time like this you have an idea tell it. We'll discuss it. Debate is fine by me when we don't have anything pressing. However during missions while the feedback of your observations might be heard, once I make an order I expect to be obeyed. An pack that is bickering with itself during missions is a great way to get someone killed. We...good on that?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:09:35 PM)
It IS the litany....one of the parts as a ragabash I never had to question.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:10:42 PM)
The same goes with challenges...challenge after a mission if you like. But during it ....you try it you can expect to see the Truthcatcher afterwards if we live.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:10:44 PM)
*she nodded* now, something you and i had spoken about when we first started talking... if it comes down to a fighting situation, do you want me to take over as ahroun?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:12:12 PM)
Can I leave that as situational? Sometimes it's more I get the vibe that someone is better than me at a given point. I'll give a head nod. Sorry it's hard to have hard and fast rules when our enemy is anything but.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:12:33 PM)
There are some styles of combat I handle well..others...........not.

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 6:12:43 PM)
(brb)

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:14:02 PM)
*ponders* It most cases yes, as Ahroun I will defer to you. Just....situations can get complicated.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:17:05 PM)
*she nodded* i will not refuse leadership if you wish to take back over. strategy and such, i tend to be good at. i dont just fly off the wall when i fight *she winked* i am nothing like your other ahrouns

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:17:23 PM)
and, if anyone wishes aid in training, just let me know

Horus Alexander (Jul 10, 2010 6:17:56 PM)
i will take you up on that

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:18:12 PM)
I think it a good idea the whole pack combat train. We might scout dangerous territory and be caught sometime. Best to be able to hold our own.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:18:43 PM)
*she nodded* agreed. i can even introduce you to some interesting weapon choices *she patted her kusarigama lovingly*

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 6:19:12 PM)
~peers at the others.... listen~

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:19:13 PM)
*goes glabro and shows her buffalo lance style spear*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:19:24 PM)
I tend to use this and my claws.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:20:11 PM)
In spiritual matters Emilie....we defer to you. Among basic things one of your jobs is to make sure this pack is doing our job in keeping Owl happy.

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:20:14 PM)
*she nodded, standing* may i?

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:20:24 PM)
*lets Neith see the spear*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:20:54 PM)
Are there spiritual things you feel the pack needs to focus on?

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:21:00 PM)
*she studied it, doing a few moves, checking the balance, etc*

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:21:24 PM)
*she looked to sarah* perhaps we might have horus and emmie work together on the spirits? they are both theurges

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:21:30 PM)
*it is a well built thrusting spear but the balance is so good it could be thrown, just....of course throwing the spear you end up weaponless*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:22:19 PM)
Horus knows more about Owl.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:22:23 PM)
*she concedes*

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:22:26 PM)
*she handed it back* it's beautiful

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:22:43 PM)
true. so, perhaps in matters of our totem, we defer to him? *looks at everyone*

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:23:14 PM)
*she watches the theurges curiously*

Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:23:17 PM)
(afk-ish. making dinner)

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 6:23:23 PM)
(Ok roommates want to force me to be social)

Emilie Summers (Jul 10, 2010 6:23:43 PM)
~slips into the umbra.... she was getting something~

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Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:24:23 PM)
*shrugs* You two work it out.

Sarah Runningfox (Jul 10, 2010 6:27:31 PM)
I'm going back to get a coffee refill....I think we are done unless someone else has an issue to discuss?

Horus Alexander (Jul 10, 2010 6:28:11 PM)
i have nothing else

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Nuri Zalika (Jul 10, 2010 6:33:52 PM)
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